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Tue Jan-18-05 08:06 AM
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| 19. When you base your argument on a passage from the Bible |
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then, clearly, you have no real argument.
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| -Contraception is a form of abortion: Discuss |
prolesunited |
Jan-18-05 07:45 AM |
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yes yes yes..............all in religion |
seabeyond |
Jan-18-05 07:47 AM |
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If contraception is the same as abortion |
yardwork |
Jan-18-05 07:47 AM |
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Not to mention the untold millions of sperm. |
asthmaticeog |
Jan-18-05 07:51 AM |
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Has Homeland Security thought of that yet? |
yardwork |
Jan-18-05 07:58 AM |
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I'll bet the Ashcroft DOJ thought of it, |
asthmaticeog |
Jan-18-05 08:06 AM |
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You have to have something to abort to have an abortion. |
hector459 |
Jan-18-05 06:17 PM |
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She's incorrect, and here's why they are not the same. |
Cuban_Liberal |
Jan-18-05 07:50 AM |
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But pro-lifers believe life begins at conception, |
ktowntennesseedem |
Jan-18-05 01:28 PM |
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Life Actually Begins At the Time of a Lustful Thought |
GiovanniC |
Jan-18-05 07:05 PM |
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Fertility is such a Pagan issue |
JanMichael |
Jan-18-05 07:52 AM |
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Who needs Silence of the Lambs when you have the Bible? |
Ezlivin |
Jan-18-05 09:45 AM |
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swbts.com.... |
muffin_man |
Jan-18-05 10:52 AM |
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A surprising number of anti-choice activists |
cali |
Jan-18-05 07:52 AM |
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It was only a few years before Roe v Wade that contraception was illegal |
yardwork |
Jan-18-05 08:01 AM |
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IUD's are....so what? |
Mend |
Jan-18-05 07:54 AM |
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I beleive there are also indications that |
Ilsa |
Jan-18-05 08:01 AM |
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That isn't the primary method of contraception with an IUD |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 08:43 AM |
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correct about mechanism |
LisaLL |
Jan-18-05 06:41 PM |
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What about all the fetuses that spontaneously abort? |
notadmblnd |
Jan-18-05 07:55 AM |
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Good point. |
CottonBear |
Jan-18-05 07:58 AM |
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The impilcations of THAT are most disturbing. |
asthmaticeog |
Jan-18-05 08:02 AM |
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Spontaneous abortions occur because embryos are defective -- |
DemBones DemBones |
Jan-18-05 08:35 AM |
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I know.. it was just my smart assed response to |
notadmblnd |
Jan-18-05 08:52 AM |
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they already target contraception |
Solly Mack |
Jan-18-05 07:58 AM |
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They never talk about controlling men's sexuality |
StopThePendulum |
Jan-18-05 08:13 AM |
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Good question |
Solly Mack |
Jan-18-05 08:34 AM |
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Easy. When you create the religion, you set the rules |
Ezlivin |
Jan-18-05 09:54 AM |
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Why isn't impotence considered god's will? |
dansolo |
Jan-18-05 01:00 PM |
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And other effective forms: |
jarab |
Jan-18-05 07:59 AM |
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Sometimes. |
LWolf |
Jan-18-05 08:00 AM |
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When I was a practicing Catholic abortion was just one form of |
Career Prole |
Jan-18-05 08:00 AM |
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When you base your argument on a passage from the Bible |
kiraboo |
Jan-18-05 08:06 AM |
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Old Monty Python skit song: Every sperm is sacred! |
Divernan |
Jan-18-05 08:17 AM |
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every sperm is sacred |
WoodrowFan |
Jan-18-05 09:36 AM |
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Instant Aborto-freak mouth-closer |
Pigwidgeon |
Jan-18-05 08:20 AM |
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Okay I'll discuss. |
GOPBasher |
Jan-18-05 08:24 AM |
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Contraception is prevention of conception. |
DemBones DemBones |
Jan-18-05 08:25 AM |
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You're wrong on the IUD's |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 09:53 AM |
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she's wrong about EC too |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-18-05 11:28 AM |
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I learned something there |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:13 PM |
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Yes, primarily it works by delaying egg release until the sperm |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-18-05 01:51 PM |
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"The main way an IUD works..." |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 12:48 PM |
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You are just plain wrong |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 12:51 PM |
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A lot of medical people say something like: |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:00 PM |
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It's called PMS |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 01:01 PM |
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No - I've had PMS and I've been pregnant |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:08 PM |
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An IUD makes your PMS worse |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 01:13 PM |
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not just worse, but different |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:16 PM |
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It could still be PMS |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 01:19 PM |
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oh, absolutely |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:23 PM |
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The jump was "this feels like pregnancy" so maybe it is. n/t |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:26 PM |
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Any hormonal change can feel like pregnancy |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 01:28 PM |
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"If you're extremely tuned in to your body's rhythms..." |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 02:53 PM |
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The way the IUD works is a medical fact |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 03:11 PM |
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I think you have your facts wrong |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 03:41 PM |
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The mechanism is not known |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 03:53 PM |
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I also saw several sites |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 04:06 PM |
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Fertilization doesn't take place until a few days after intercourse |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 04:10 PM |
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Your planned parenthood link is exactly what we've been saying |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 04:26 PM |
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I'm saying that all of these sites |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 04:30 PM |
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I'll give you credit where it's due |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 04:32 PM |
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So you see this as an absolute? |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 04:41 PM |
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I'm sure what you believe with no medical knowledge is better than |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 04:44 PM |
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here's a study for you |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 05:22 PM |
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1997 |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 05:30 PM |
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The other study I linked to was a 2002 study. |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 06:08 PM |
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When I do an internet search of the study's author's names |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 06:51 PM |
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The similar problem that I had |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 07:45 PM |
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self-deleted |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 08:16 PM |
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Yes, I see it as an absolute |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 04:49 PM |
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studies on tubal fluid |
LisaLL |
Jan-18-05 06:59 PM |
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If you don't want to be dismissed as a nut |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 03:32 PM |
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I would be happy to see evidence |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 03:51 PM |
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Did you read the links? |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 04:00 PM |
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It still says "The _main_ way an IUD works" |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 04:09 PM |
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Check my edit. |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 04:13 PM |
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too bad they don't actually link |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 04:28 PM |
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Yes, I think we should all |
prolesunited |
Jan-18-05 05:34 PM |
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It appears that a person could find studies |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 06:16 PM |
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If it's an issue for somebody |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 06:55 PM |
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Research studies are not created equal |
LisaLL |
Jan-18-05 07:16 PM |
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It could also be the start of a pregnancy....eom |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:24 PM |
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There was a lot more blood loss |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:17 PM |
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that's a common side effect |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:20 PM |
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Your source is 8 years old. |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:07 PM |
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my main source |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:10 PM |
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Which is by definition biased |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 01:14 PM |
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And I suppose |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:19 PM |
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The scientific method is used to avoid bias |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 01:21 PM |
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I think I'm pregnant |
prolesunited |
Jan-18-05 01:43 PM |
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Faith-based medicine |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:19 PM |
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I'm fine with evolution. |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:21 PM |
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Another illogical conclusion |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:25 PM |
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It's a medical fact |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:06 PM |
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As Monty Python put it: |
ashiebr |
Jan-18-05 08:27 AM |
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Yeah, right |
Feathered Fish |
Jan-18-05 08:27 AM |
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What a bunch of BS. |
NoStinkinBadges |
Jan-18-05 08:28 AM |
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That was a convenient bit of |
dolo amber |
Jan-18-05 08:29 AM |
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Here's another point |
demnan |
Jan-18-05 08:38 AM |
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Exactly! |
moobu2 |
Jan-18-05 08:48 AM |
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Exactly...US is 24th in infant mortality...bad for a wealthy developed |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Jan-18-05 09:41 AM |
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Yes the religious right will try to outlaw contraception |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 08:46 AM |
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Well, since dildo's etc are also illegal in some states |
Kber |
Jan-18-05 11:26 AM |
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Do you have a list of the states, my wife has two of them, LMFAO. |
sarcasmo |
Jan-18-05 01:40 PM |
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The term abortion is never used in the Bible, although it existed |
ehrnst |
Jan-18-05 08:55 AM |
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The Vatican's been doing it for ages |
spunky |
Jan-18-05 09:04 AM |
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Pregnancy is a form of abortion |
minerva50 |
Jan-18-05 09:17 AM |
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Nothing to discuss, the pill is an abortifacient. |
patcox2 |
Jan-18-05 09:28 AM |
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No it's not! |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-18-05 10:55 AM |
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Okay, it isn't Always, but it still is, and can be, anytime. |
patcox2 |
Jan-18-05 12:29 PM |
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She is misreading the scripture. Tell her that... |
tjwash |
Jan-18-05 09:31 AM |
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But what about the virgin birth? |
ArkDem |
Jan-18-05 09:35 AM |
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Which one? |
JanMichael |
Jan-18-05 09:47 AM |
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No one knows if the rock was virgin or not. |
ArkDem |
Jan-18-05 10:41 AM |
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So whats her point with that verse |
cags |
Jan-18-05 09:39 AM |
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Huge difference. |
coloradodem2005 |
Jan-18-05 09:51 AM |
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Dumb Dumb Dumb..... |
txaslftist |
Jan-18-05 09:56 AM |
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No, everything we do in fact brings about what is preordained. |
patcox2 |
Jan-18-05 12:33 PM |
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I'm not arguing against predestination...just stupidity. |
txaslftist |
Jan-18-05 12:44 PM |
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I agree, opposing contraception is stupid, thats why we should let them. |
patcox2 |
Jan-18-05 03:01 PM |
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Hmm....first abortion, then birth control, then masturbation, then |
MsTryska |
Jan-18-05 10:56 AM |
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Then so's male masturbation... |
BiggJawn |
Jan-18-05 10:56 AM |
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AFTER they overturn Roe vs. Wade? |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 11:22 AM |
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Yeah, it's a multi-pronged attack... |
BiggJawn |
Jan-18-05 12:22 PM |
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That's just the beginning |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 12:29 PM |
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If God wants me knocked up |
LeftyMom |
Jan-18-05 12:36 PM |
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The single most misquoted verse in the Bible |
DrGonzoLives |
Jan-18-05 12:46 PM |
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I was just going to say that Doc! |
Greybnk48 |
Jan-18-05 01:03 PM |
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Furthermore |
DrGonzoLives |
Jan-18-05 12:55 PM |
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It is the height of arrogance to think you can thwart God's will... |
Liberal Veteran |
Jan-18-05 01:03 PM |
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LOL that's the best response I've heard yet |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 01:06 PM |
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This chart seems more balanced than other things I've seen... |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:04 PM |
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If the Christian god is omniscient, then he would have known all of us |
pschoeb |
Jan-18-05 01:08 PM |
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Then menstruation must be stopped too! |
seafey |
Jan-18-05 01:10 PM |
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I propose monthly religious ceremonies |
Greybnk48 |
Jan-18-05 01:16 PM |
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And we should also make women sacrifice a dove to atone. |
Liberal Veteran |
Jan-18-05 01:18 PM |
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By having my period, we missed out on Hitler Redux |
Nobody |
Jan-18-05 08:59 PM |
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Oh, now that's just sad. |
arwalden |
Jan-18-05 01:26 PM |
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Pro-lifer here, I don't have a problem with contraception |
ThorsHammer |
Jan-18-05 01:32 PM |
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Then is whacking off a form of abortion? |
sarcasmo |
Jan-18-05 01:35 PM |
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"It takes two sperm to make a baby?" |
Bat Boy |
Jan-18-05 05:28 PM |
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Wow, and I'm carrying MILLIONS around in a very vulnerable place. |
asthmaticeog |
Jan-18-05 05:33 PM |
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Don't let 'em get together. |
Bat Boy |
Jan-18-05 05:37 PM |
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But think of the shit I could get away with if I bore a god-child! |
asthmaticeog |
Jan-18-05 05:40 PM |
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You've never been laid have you? |
HEyHEY |
Jan-18-05 06:36 PM |
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If their God is as powerful as they say he is |
donheld |
Jan-18-05 01:43 PM |
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Not having sex is a form of abortion. |
Zenlitened |
Jan-18-05 01:45 PM |
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I agree! If we don't all start f**king everything that moves, we risk... |
Liberal Veteran |
Jan-18-05 02:02 PM |
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If you interpret it THAT way... |
DireStrike |
Jan-18-05 02:56 PM |
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any lustful thought that doesn't lead in childbirth is abortion |
cheezus |
Jan-18-05 03:43 PM |
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In that passage |
SemperEadem |
Jan-18-05 03:55 PM |
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Sperm have rights !!!!!!! |
EVDebs |
Jan-18-05 04:20 PM |
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Every sperm is sacred |
jesusq |
Jan-18-05 06:54 PM |
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In a sense it is. |
quaker bill |
Jan-18-05 05:35 PM |
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I always interpreted this passage to be |
OnionPatch |
Jan-18-05 06:17 PM |
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Contraception is a form of choice |
slutticus |
Jan-18-05 06:20 PM |
#145 |
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Masturbation is genocide! |
jesusq |
Jan-18-05 06:51 PM |
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I take that passage to mean |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Jan-18-05 06:55 PM |
#151 |
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They want to control passion... |
Orsino |
Jan-18-05 07:03 PM |
#154 |
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Abstinence is a form of fetus murder! Selfish virgins! |
Generic Other |
Jan-18-05 08:20 PM |
#159 |
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