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Wisc Badger Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-04-05 02:45 PM
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19. Good Point. - Guess that is the answer I was looking for
Under the training I received in the Navy I am to resist up to and including the point of death if I am in possession of information that may be of benefit to the enemy.

Guess that answers my question then.

Wish there was a better way though, cause I am unsure how we confront an enemy who cares nothing about dying and only wants to kill us military or civilian in as large amount of numbers as he/they can. :dunce:
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  -Comments on Torture - Please do not Ban Me Wisc Badger  Jan-04-05 02:34 PM   #0 
  - The first question is:  trotsky   Jan-04-05 02:35 PM   #1 
  - The second question is don't you know that they will tell you anything to  Vincardog   Jan-04-05 02:38 PM   # 
  - Depends on the torture and what you already know.  Silverhair   Jan-04-05 03:14 PM   #46 
  - Yes, but most terrorists also know that there are other numerous  ElectroPrincess   Jan-04-05 06:21 PM   #83 
  - Here's a list of questions.  firebee   Jan-05-05 12:33 AM   #98 
  - And the second is....  ChairOne   Jan-04-05 02:40 PM   #11 
  - and how do you know they have information?  AllegroRondo   Jan-04-05 02:45 PM   #17 
  - Exactly.  trotsky   Jan-04-05 02:50 PM   #21 
  - Think of all the women who "confessed" to being witches  lawladyprof   Jan-05-05 08:59 AM   #106 
  - And if the information proves to be false...  HypnoToad   Jan-04-05 06:04 PM   #78 
  - exactly  sui generis   Jan-04-05 02:50 PM   #20 
  - This reminds me of 24...  tasteblind   Jan-04-05 02:37 PM   #2 
  - I love that show.  slutticus   Jan-04-05 04:54 PM   #73 
  - the 'ticking time bomb' scenario  GAspnes   Jan-04-05 02:38 PM   #3 
  - Okay, let's reverse the roles . . . you're a US soldier who's been  ET Awful   Jan-04-05 02:38 PM   #4 
  - Exactly and the reason for the prohibition in the first place  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jan-04-05 02:39 PM   #9 
  - Good Point. - Guess that is the answer I was looking for  Wisc Badger   Jan-04-05 02:45 PM   #19 
  - Wisc Badger - you say  peacebird   Jan-04-05 03:11 PM   #44 
     - Jesus said "Evil will not cast out evil" Torture may seem like the right  hollowdweller   Jan-04-05 07:23 PM   #91 
  - I think this is the best response so far....  mike_c   Jan-04-05 02:54 PM   #27 
  - Entitled to? Entitlement doesn't matter as they will anyway.  Silverhair   Jan-04-05 03:19 PM   #47 
     - Really?  ET Awful   Jan-04-05 03:25 PM   #49 
        - I have never supported the invasion of Iraq. That is a lie.  Silverhair   Jan-04-05 03:34 PM   #51 
  - is there a difference between a beating and torture?  kick-ass-bob   Jan-04-05 02:38 PM   #5 
  - and what about sodium pentathol derivatives?  sui generis   Jan-04-05 02:54 PM   #25 
  - Beating is torture.  Taxloss   Jan-04-05 03:05 PM   #37 
  - Try some more recovery  RetroLounge   Jan-04-05 02:38 PM   #6 
  - While I believe that that's true,  liberalhistorian   Jan-04-05 02:52 PM   #23 
     - Okay, yes, I agree with you.  RetroLounge   Jan-04-05 02:58 PM   #33 
     - Your post is self-contradicting.  K-W   Jan-04-05 03:06 PM   #40 
        - "In the heat of battle" isn't quite the same  Tansy_Gold   Jan-04-05 03:45 PM   #55 
  - Torture does not produce good information  KurtNYC   Jan-04-05 02:39 PM   #7 
  - I know that if I were  liberalhistorian   Jan-04-05 03:05 PM   #38 
  - No it isnt justifiable, and it DOESNT EVEN WORK.  K-W   Jan-04-05 02:39 PM   #8 
  - The problem is that you've started down an extremely slippery slope  Sandpiper   Jan-04-05 02:39 PM   #10 
  - But that's not what is going on  democracyindanger   Jan-04-05 02:40 PM   #12 
  - In Afghanistan, we got better information with...  Cuban_Liberal   Jan-04-05 02:43 PM   #13 
  - Exactly! I rest my case ... see post #83  ElectroPrincess   Jan-04-05 06:32 PM   #86 
  - Well friend, it has been shown time and again that torture  MadHound   Jan-04-05 02:43 PM   #14 
  - I served 4 years in the USMC, if you act like a barbarian  dand   Jan-04-05 02:44 PM   #15 
  - There are several reasons.  Taxloss   Jan-04-05 02:44 PM   #16 
  - Ninthly  Tansy_Gold   Jan-04-05 02:58 PM   #31 
  - Tenthly  Taxloss   Jan-04-05 03:04 PM   #36 
  - Eleventhly. . . . .  Tansy_Gold   Jan-04-05 03:39 PM   #53 
  - Eleventhly  bunkerbuster1   Jan-04-05 03:42 PM   #54 
     - 12thly  Astarho   Jan-04-05 04:46 PM   #69 
  - " And who would want to become a torturer?"  mcscajun   Jan-04-05 06:28 PM   #84 
     - ". . . and that's a horror show."  Tansy_Gold   Jan-04-05 08:54 PM   #93 
  - Agree on all points except the first.  Silverhair   Jan-04-05 03:38 PM   #52 
     - Not if the questioner doesn't believe the truth.  Taxloss   Jan-04-05 03:56 PM   #56 
     - That depends on how good the intelligence is in the first place.  Silverhair   Jan-04-05 04:23 PM   #61 
        - Intelligence is never that good. If it was, why torture?  Taxloss   Jan-04-05 04:32 PM   #62 
           - Thanks. I appreciate that. That other guy is accusing me  Silverhair   Jan-04-05 04:36 PM   #67 
              - Well, my position is absolute, certainly, but it's not smug.  Taxloss   Jan-04-05 05:11 PM   #74 
                 - Yes, and it shows that you have given it thought.  Silverhair   Jan-04-05 06:06 PM   #79 
                    - Thank you very much.  Taxloss   Jan-04-05 06:13 PM   #81 
     - so if you already know the answer...  bpilgrim   Jan-04-05 04:33 PM   #64 
        - First, I hope I would have the moral strength NOT to torture.  Silverhair   Jan-04-05 06:11 PM   #80 
           - so, to fill in the blanks?  bpilgrim   Jan-04-05 10:46 PM   #96 
              - I have NOT said it is morally right.  Silverhair   Jan-05-05 06:33 AM   #101 
                 - no, YOU are the one stuck on ONLY the immoral aspect of TORTURE  bpilgrim   Jan-05-05 11:13 AM   #112 
  - And if  utahgirl   Jan-04-05 02:45 PM   #18 
  - Good point, Utah Girl  Lena   Jan-04-05 07:05 PM   #88 
  - Thank you for setting me straight on this one.  Wisc Badger   Jan-04-05 02:52 PM   #22 
  - You are very cool, Wisc Badger.  trotsky   Jan-04-05 02:53 PM   #24 
  - Welcome to DU.  Cuban_Liberal   Jan-04-05 02:54 PM   #26 
  - I'm ex-military as well Badger, so I know where you're coming from  ET Awful   Jan-04-05 02:56 PM   #30 
  - I forgot my manners! :-)  Vektor   Jan-04-05 02:58 PM   #32 
  - Thanks for asking!  Taxloss   Jan-04-05 04:50 PM   #72 
  - Congrats on your recovering status....  Vektor   Jan-04-05 02:55 PM   #28 
  - It's not justifiable.  Nadienne   Jan-04-05 02:56 PM   #29 
  - The know nothings  oneold1-4u   Jan-04-05 03:00 PM   #34 
  - No torture for me, thank you very much  yinkaafrica   Jan-04-05 03:03 PM   #35 
  - And, worst of all, what if it works?  gratuitous   Jan-04-05 03:06 PM   #39 
  - You might feel such guilt over being alive, but...  Silverhair   Jan-04-05 04:32 PM   #63 
     - Oh no, I'm well aware  gratuitous   Jan-04-05 04:48 PM   #71 
        - You are indeed correct.  Silverhair   Jan-04-05 05:59 PM   #77 
  - if it actually worked, it would be more viable, but it doesn't  KenCarson   Jan-04-05 03:07 PM   #41 
  - The problem with that defense is  youngred   Jan-04-05 03:09 PM   #42 
  - Try this empathetic test...  dave123williams   Jan-04-05 03:10 PM   #43 
  - Never as a gov't policy.  Silverhair   Jan-04-05 03:11 PM   #45 
  - Do it only if you agree that the same should be done to you  Lorien   Jan-04-05 03:24 PM   #48 
  - If you have the time, the most reliable way of getting info is the  Silverhair   Jan-04-05 03:31 PM   #50 
  - This line of reasoning is nothing more than the "ends  Cleita   Jan-04-05 03:59 PM   #57 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-04-05 04:03 PM   #58 
  - fortunately this never arises since...  amazona   Jan-04-05 04:14 PM   #59 
  - It is morally repugnant to use torture.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jan-04-05 04:14 PM   #60 
  - How would you know that he had that information?  Darranar   Jan-04-05 04:34 PM   #65 
  - If it's okay to use it on them, it's okay for them to use it on our  blondeatlast   Jan-04-05 04:34 PM   #66 
  - It's not whether you yourself would do, but "Does the law condone it?"  LanternWaste   Jan-04-05 04:42 PM   #68 
  - Correcting an error of a poster.  Disturbed   Jan-04-05 05:22 PM   #75 
  - well, consider John McCain's  stanwyck   Jan-04-05 04:46 PM   #70 
  - My question is: If your goal is to extract valuable and reliable  Be Brave   Jan-04-05 05:24 PM   #76 
  - What if you're a service member serving in an enemy country?  Canuckistanian   Jan-04-05 06:14 PM   #82 
  - I have a proposal for the mods..  sendero   Jan-04-05 06:31 PM   #85 
  - LOL!  Lena   Jan-04-05 07:08 PM   #89 
  - would torture work on you? also, if you think its ok for the USs prisoners  KG   Jan-04-05 06:36 PM   #87 
  - what if you had one prisoner  Uzybone   Jan-04-05 07:15 PM   #90 
  - Torture  kcjim   Jan-04-05 07:28 PM   #92 
  - in reality, I think torture is often used for revenge rather than for info  bobbieinok   Jan-04-05 09:18 PM   #94 
  - also, apparently many of those using torture in Nazi Germany, etc, were  bobbieinok   Jan-04-05 09:19 PM   #95 
  - I would support "coercion" if it wasn't for the slippery slope aspect  WillieWoohah   Jan-04-05 11:40 PM   #97 
  - The torturer comes home to YOUR neighborhood....  Porcupine   Jan-05-05 12:55 AM   #99 
  - Civilization is actually a very fragile thing  Old Mouse   Jan-05-05 01:17 AM   #100 
  - These are exactly the kind of rationales advocated by torture  KlatooBNikto   Jan-05-05 06:41 AM   #102 
  - Hmm yeah that will work.  Democracy Died 2004   Jan-05-05 07:40 AM   #103 
  - This is the standard rationalization. No sale.  Lydia Leftcoast   Jan-05-05 08:11 AM   #104 
  - The 'grunts' dont know anything about the people they are torturing.  TryingToWarnYou   Jan-05-05 08:20 AM   #105 
  - I was watching a "The Shield" episode on DVD  sherilocks   Jan-05-05 09:13 AM   #107 
  - Anytime we deviate even the  Democracy Died 2004   Jan-05-05 09:40 AM   #108 
  - War is different.  txaslftist   Jan-05-05 09:43 AM   #109 
  - The reason that is indefensible is because  Taxloss   Jan-05-05 09:49 AM   #110 
  - In response to all  sherilocks   Jan-05-05 10:40 AM   #111 
     - it's easy to root for one side of the story  rman   Jan-05-05 11:38 AM   #113 
  - to coin a pop-culture reference  fryguy   Jan-05-05 02:33 PM   #114 
 

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