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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 09:44 AM
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63. K-W and jeter I think you are both right
On the one hand (jeter) this speech is a defensive move.

1 - There has been a COMPLETE about face in strategy by suggesting the U.N. should have a part in this. The pundits, even the conservative ones, are having a field day with this.

2 - There has already been growing dissatisfaction among those that voted for him about the daily casualties AFTER he declared the war to be over. (that photo op shit in the flight suit was a MAJOR mistake)

3 - Bush re-election polls have taken a MAJOR dive in the last couple months, especially in the last couple weeks. Right now I believe it sits at 40%. I think those numbers get by Rove waaaay before they do the public.

4 - There is just a plain and simple turning of trust among the people for a combination of the reasons stated above. The 16 words did have an affect on "some" people. This administration handled it so poorly - it only served to shout it louder to those who would not have otherwise paid attention. More people noticed ....

5 - And OMG, the Iraq situation is now a QUAGMIRE. How could you not fucking notice??

On the other side: K-W sounds a lot like me, quite frankly. Realistic and very cynical. These guys (bush, rove, et al) have been pulling rabbits outta their asses in the face of facts WE SEE contradict them for the past three years; the ignorant masses have been eating it up and G-d dam worshipping whatever they serve up, while we were ostracized as malcontents and questioning the motives of this war OR His Highness, or that we were, G-d forbid, UNPATRIOTIC!

So, I can very much appreciate someone like K-W who believes tonight's speech is going to be nothing more than ANOTHER carefully orchestrated stroke to the ignorant masses. He's in trouble and WE know he's gonna blow some smoke up our collective asses and make some really stupid faces that I just cannot stand. (*sigh* I just really cannot stand to watch him, but I will tonight)

Oh, K-W is right, Dubya's gonna spin this like crazy. Maybe I'm just a fool, but I think his back is against the wall now - maybe THIS time, he's not gonna come off as a hero. I think people are paying a lot closer attention now, and are perhaps a little more discriminating. I don't think bush* and the funny faces he makes will pass the this time. Even simple people see through disingenuous facial gestures.

You decide - am I an optimist, a realist, or a cynic.
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  -Am I the only one who sees danger for Bush with his address? jeter  Sep-07-03 12:25 AM   #0 
  - I think he talks about the UN  CentristDemocrat   Sep-07-03 12:26 AM   #1 
  - It depends entirely on what he says.  K-W   Sep-07-03 12:28 AM   #2 
  - Why not?  ET Awful   Sep-07-03 12:30 AM   #4 
  - But he's not able to look presidential, that's the danger!  SharonAnn   Sep-07-03 12:44 AM   #9 
  - Not to us  K-W   Sep-07-03 12:50 AM   #14 
     - Yeah, and 29% say they will DEFINATELY vote for him...  w13rd0   Sep-07-03 01:28 AM   #36 
  - It's usually a mistake when his handlers let him speak  flamingyouth   Sep-07-03 01:17 AM   #31 
  - I disagree...  rasputin1952   Sep-07-03 01:28 AM   #35 
     - Then you dont really disagree  K-W   Sep-07-03 01:32 AM   #37 
        - I am out here in Nebraska...  rasputin1952   Sep-07-03 01:51 AM   #41 
           - He misspelled his own initials? That's Bush league.  snippy   Sep-07-03 07:43 AM   #51 
              - Yeah...  rasputin1952   Sep-07-03 01:30 PM   #65 
                 - Hmmm? Maybe those are his occult Skull & Boner initials?  SpiralHawk   Sep-07-03 04:01 PM   #71 
  - You expect the people who watch Survivor & all the other  FloridaPat   Sep-07-03 12:30 AM   #3 
  - Well, yes, the reality shows have a lot of lessons to teach  starroute   Sep-07-03 12:42 AM   #8 
     - Sensational Analogy!!  Beetwasher   Sep-07-03 10:03 AM   #64 
  - It's getting ugly...  Bleachers7   Sep-07-03 12:36 AM   #5 
  - You guys totally miss the bigger picture  jeter   Sep-07-03 12:40 AM   #6 
  - He sent you a transcript of his speech?  K-W   Sep-07-03 12:42 AM   #7 
  - Jesus KW wake up  jeter   Sep-07-03 12:45 AM   #10 
     - I think damage control more than damage admission  CentristDemocrat   Sep-07-03 12:47 AM   #11 
     - Wake up to what?  K-W   Sep-07-03 12:55 AM   #18 
     - But it has always been blamed on others.  jeter   Sep-07-03 12:56 AM   #19 
        - You are dreaming a big dream  K-W   Sep-07-03 12:59 AM   #21 
           - KW, you are missing the point entirely  jeter   Sep-07-03 01:04 AM   #24 
           - You are missing reality  K-W   Sep-07-03 01:11 AM   #29 
              - The people are turning against him...  sfwriter   Sep-07-03 02:25 AM   #48 
              - K-W and jeter I think you are both right  Booberdawg   Sep-07-03 09:44 AM   #63 
                 - Boob, of course he is going to spin.  jeter   Sep-07-03 03:40 PM   #66 
                    - He really didn't have a choice, jeter  Booberdawg   Sep-08-03 04:20 AM   #79 
           - Makes no difference if the speech writers are idiots...  rasputin1952   Sep-07-03 01:54 AM   #42 
     - Always Problems  CHIMO   Sep-07-03 12:56 AM   #20 
        - Bush will blame terrorist, the U.N. (France and Germany), Clinton  screembloodymurder   Sep-07-03 08:22 AM   #57 
           - Yes, he will now move on to blame Germany and  Gloria   Sep-07-03 09:39 AM   #62 
  - I tend to agree  Amerikav60   Sep-07-03 12:48 AM   #13 
  - I think you are right  Stevie D   Sep-07-03 12:52 AM   #15 
  - Rapidly Turning?  K-W   Sep-07-03 01:03 AM   #23 
     - Oh KW, you are so negative.  jeter   Sep-07-03 01:05 AM   #26 
     - Maybe  K-W   Sep-07-03 01:14 AM   #30 
     - Not declaring victory  Stevie D   Sep-07-03 01:28 AM   #34 
     - agreed  K-W   Sep-07-03 01:34 AM   #38 
        - Yes, KW I agree with that.  jeter   Sep-07-03 03:42 PM   #67 
     - Apparently K-W...  rasputin1952   Sep-07-03 01:57 AM   #43 
  - His speech will go through the usual motions....  rasputin1952   Sep-07-03 01:42 AM   #40 
  - Well, KW has a good point about people, but...  calimary   Sep-07-03 04:51 PM   #73 
  - He Has to Respond  CHIMO   Sep-07-03 12:47 AM   #12 
  - Haha. I hope he says that.  jeter   Sep-07-03 12:53 AM   #17 
     - Colors of  CHIMO   Sep-07-03 01:05 AM   #25 
  - If it's not about success finding WMD, he's cooked.  draftcaroline   Sep-07-03 12:52 AM   #16 
  - You're very right about Democrats coming out swinging  Democat   Sep-07-03 01:00 AM   #22 
  - Holy Joe is getting out of Dodge...  jeter   Sep-07-03 01:07 AM   #27 
  - If he invokes the UN  KT2000   Sep-07-03 01:09 AM   #28 
  - it'll be another "steely-eye'd and determined" spin....  fairfaxvadem   Sep-07-03 01:23 AM   #32 
     - Some people have way too much faith in Bush  jeter   Sep-07-03 03:46 PM   #68 
  - IMHO, this speech is clearly intended at shoring up the base  VolcanoJen   Sep-07-03 01:25 AM   #33 
  - His speech writers was burning the midnight oil for the past 2 weeks  opihimoimoi   Sep-07-03 02:02 AM   #44 
  - Jen, don't you think  jeter   Sep-07-03 03:50 PM   #69 
  - This is dangerous for Democrats, IMHO. The networks are going to give him  w4rma   Sep-07-03 01:38 AM   #39 
  - Bush  cliss   Sep-07-03 02:08 AM   #45 
  - cliss, you're right about how bad he looks  reprobate   Sep-07-03 05:08 PM   #74 
  - This is premature.  frustrated_lefty   Sep-07-03 02:23 AM   #46 
  - I agree totally.  LibDemAlways   Sep-07-03 05:34 PM   #78 
  - Of course  Lexingtonian   Sep-07-03 02:25 AM   #47 
  - I guess....  grasswire   Sep-07-03 03:06 AM   #49 
     - Wearing Clown Shoes..  Mary T   Sep-07-03 06:02 AM   #50 
     - They must put the shortest man in the military at the bottom of those step  screembloodymurder   Sep-07-03 08:39 AM   #59 
  - Iraq as humanitarian crisis...  Junkdrawer   Sep-07-03 07:51 AM   #52 
  - They're pinning the blame on Clinton  screembloodymurder   Sep-07-03 07:51 AM   #53 
  - I must agree. I don't know if C-Span knew about Bush's speech tonight  LittleApple81   Sep-07-03 08:03 AM   #54 
     - I watched for two minutes  screembloodymurder   Sep-07-03 08:44 AM   #60 
  - Every word and every gesture will have been focus grouped.  snippy   Sep-07-03 08:05 AM   #55 
  - No bounce  jeter   Sep-07-03 03:53 PM   #70 
  - the speech might earn him a few percentage points  lanlady   Sep-07-03 08:06 AM   #56 
  - This whole thread is totally erroneous, defective, flawed  0007   Sep-07-03 08:34 AM   #58 
  - Let's be realistic.  Anti-fascist   Sep-07-03 09:09 AM   #61 
  - Did the article in the Guardian prompt all this?  mbee   Sep-07-03 04:27 PM   #72 
  - we shall see  bluestateguy   Sep-07-03 05:19 PM   #75 
  - Bush needs to go Blair-style to get a bounce.  poskonig   Sep-07-03 05:21 PM   #76 
  - One of CNN's talking heads said  Lindsay   Sep-07-03 05:32 PM   #77 

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