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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-26-04 05:24 PM
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9. Partition of Iraq is a long-standing goal of the Likudniks,
so should it surprise us this is on the table while the country is occupied?

Israeli journalist Oded Yinon, writing in 1982:

The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target.... Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria.... Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi'ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north.

Remember, what looks to us like a disaster is, to the neo-conservative lobby, a necessary transitional stage to the redrawing of the map of the Middle East.

Here's Robert Fisk, last March 3rd:

Odd, isn't it? There never has been a civil war in Iraq. I have never heard a single word of animosity between Sunnis and Shias in Iraq.

Al-Qa'ida has never uttered a threat against Shias - even though al-Qa'ida is a Sunni-only organisation. Yet for weeks, the American occupation authorities have been warning us about civil war, have even produced a letter said to have been written by an al-Qa'ida operative, advocating a Sunni-Shia conflict. Normally sane journalists have enthusiastically taken up this theme. Civil war.


I think of the French OAS in Algeria in 1962, setting off bombs among France's Muslim Algerian community. I recall the desperate efforts of the French authorities to set Algerian Muslim against Algerian Muslim which led to half a million dead souls.


We are entering a dark and sinister period of Iraqi history. But an occupation authority which should regard civil war as the last prospect it ever wants to contemplate, keeps shouting "civil war" in our ears and I worry about that. Especially when the bombs make it real.

It's positively Bushian to keep talking up civil war. Who would benefit from it more? It is the forces of occupation and the neoconservative ideologues who keep bleating about it. Why? Because having conquered Iraq, they want an excuse to divide it. A divided, sectarian Iraq is easier to administer as puppet, vassal states, and it would ensure that Iraq would never again be an independent economic and military power.

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  -Should Iraq be partitioned? quaoar  Dec-26-04 04:27 PM   #0 
  - Seems to me we have no business dividing Iraq any more than the Brits  mcscajun   Dec-26-04 04:32 PM   #1 
  - Maybe. But, how about the USA first?  Tierra_y_Libertad   Dec-26-04 04:36 PM   #2 
  - I concur. How can we divide something up when It isn't ours.  0007   Dec-26-04 05:11 PM   #8 
  - Even raising this question shows an arrogant imperialistic mindset  KlatooBNikto   Dec-26-04 05:28 PM   #11 
     - I know what ya mean!  0007   Dec-26-04 05:51 PM   #14 
     - I'm not so sure it's imperialist as much as considering one possible  karlrschneider   Dec-26-04 05:59 PM   #16 
     - Try growing up and living in the real world  quaoar   Dec-26-04 09:40 PM   #32 
  - I dont know why americans dismiss the idea of USA secession  Chipper Chat   Dec-26-04 06:08 PM   #19 
  - We are not a homeland since "time out of mind" for  annabanana   Dec-26-04 09:04 PM   #29 
  - Believe it or not the Pentagon has suggested partitioning Iraq  illflem   Dec-26-04 04:44 PM   #3 
  - Feb, 1, 2005  Disturbed   Dec-26-04 04:57 PM   #4 
  - Iraqi Shi'ites are friends with but not under Iranian Shi'ites  Selatius   Dec-26-04 05:25 PM   #10 
  - Should have done the elections differently  sandnsea   Dec-26-04 05:07 PM   #5 
  - My Kurdish barber says that diving the country is the only solution.  Flammable Materials   Dec-26-04 05:08 PM   #6 
  - I expect many Kurds agree with him...  annabanana   Dec-26-04 09:07 PM   #30 
  - If that is what the Iraqis choose.  Bridget Burke   Dec-26-04 05:10 PM   #7 
  - Partition of Iraq is a long-standing goal of the Likudniks,  Minstrel Boy   Dec-26-04 05:24 PM   #9 
  - Thanks, MB. Your post has brought into stark relief why there was a War on  KlatooBNikto   Dec-26-04 05:53 PM   #15 
  - I posted this solution months ago. Kurdistan for the Kurds!  norml   Dec-26-04 05:30 PM   #12 
  - I have a better solution.Let us get our troops out of there first. Let  KlatooBNikto   Dec-26-04 05:48 PM   #13 
  - Vietnam was screwed from both sides  Selatius   Dec-26-04 06:06 PM   #17 
     - At least they are not getting slaughtered by bombs raining down on them  KlatooBNikto   Dec-26-04 06:07 PM   #18 
        - Is it Amerika's country or theirs?  Disturbed   Dec-26-04 06:12 PM   #20 
        - True  Selatius   Dec-26-04 06:19 PM   #22 
  - Partition now, or its civil war the moment we leave (NT)  Benson   Dec-26-04 06:14 PM   #21 
  - Read Mistrel Boy's post above.Civil War is not a possibility according  KlatooBNikto   Dec-26-04 07:16 PM   #24 
  - Oh? Is that right?  quaoar   Dec-26-04 09:50 PM   #33 
     - What Fisk details, consistently, is a war of liberation, not a civil war.  Minstrel Boy   Dec-26-04 09:59 PM   #34 
        - Oh really? How about this article?  quaoar   Dec-26-04 10:02 PM   #35 
           - Fisk wrote that in Sept 2003. Here he is in March 2004:  Minstrel Boy   Dec-26-04 10:32 PM   #37 
              - So then, according to Fisk...  quaoar   Dec-26-04 10:56 PM   #38 
                 - The way I read it, his understanding of the game the US plays  Minstrel Boy   Dec-26-04 11:07 PM   #39 
                    - And I guess Hans Blix was in on it too  quaoar   Dec-26-04 11:21 PM   #40 
                       - yeah, whatever.  Minstrel Boy   Dec-26-04 11:34 PM   #41 
                          - Civil war is civil war  quaoar   Dec-27-04 12:39 AM   #42 
                             - Iraq isn't Pottery Barn.  Minstrel Boy   Dec-27-04 12:49 AM   #43 
                             - Actually, it is a tenet of international law  quaoar   Dec-27-04 08:22 AM   #44 
                                - International law also has something to say  Minstrel Boy   Dec-28-04 12:16 PM   #51 
                             - American interests would NOT suffer under partition.  Bridget Burke   Dec-27-04 08:38 AM   #46 
                                - I agree  quaoar   Dec-27-04 08:51 AM   #48 
  - Partition does not guarantee peace.  Bridget Burke   Dec-27-04 08:34 AM   #45 
  - Would it get the oil profits to Texas any faster?  Xap   Dec-26-04 06:34 PM   #23 
  - Should USA be partitioned?  ckramer   Dec-26-04 07:37 PM   #25 
  - As long as I can move from my red state to a blue state first  norml   Dec-28-04 11:28 AM   #50 
  - No. n/t  Just Me   Dec-26-04 07:39 PM   #26 
  - Whether or not Iraq should be partitioned  WillowTree   Dec-26-04 08:22 PM   #27 
  - Frankly , I think an international conference  chieftain   Dec-26-04 08:59 PM   #28 
  - Partitioning worked so well in Ireland!  Bridget Burke   Dec-27-04 08:40 AM   #47 
     - But as you know ,  chieftain   Dec-27-04 10:38 AM   #49 
  - I just wonder how the sunni's and kurds are going to like living  okieinpain   Dec-26-04 09:29 PM   #31 
  - Give the Kurds some level of autonomy  Doohickie   Dec-26-04 10:09 PM   #36 
  - No. Not a solution, and not possible. And a big mistake.  Taxloss   Dec-28-04 12:46 PM   #52 
  - Look at how Iraq was created in 1918 as part of the Sykes-Picot agreement  WMliberal   Dec-28-04 08:03 PM   #53 

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