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39. Abu Ghraid ???
As far as I know, Abu Ghraib was not STATE sponsored torture, murder and mayhem. It appears to be individual acts of mistreatment of prisoners, something that will unfortunately always happen during a war. To believe anything else about our soldiers is a direct insult to the integrity, spirit, and honor of the 99.99% of our sons & daughters fighting there.

In my book anyway.
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  -Christian Torture Devices indigobusiness  Dec-22-04 05:25 AM   #0 
  - Apologies to an earlier thread  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 05:39 AM   #1 
  - "If I only had a heart."  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 05:49 AM   #2 
  - Ever read those old stories on what they did?  izzie   Dec-22-04 05:55 AM   #3 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 06:07 AM   #4 
  - Why should you care where I stand?  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 06:19 AM   #7 
  - Smearing people of today with 400-year-old information  AliciaKeyedUp   Dec-22-04 06:26 AM   #8 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 06:29 AM   #11 
     - You have no idea what I worship  AliciaKeyedUp   Dec-22-04 06:34 AM   #13 
        - It's obvious.  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 06:44 AM   #17 
           - I have defended nothing here except current Christianity  AliciaKeyedUp   Dec-22-04 06:46 AM   #18 
              - "Current" Christianity?  BiggJawn   Dec-22-04 06:51 AM   #19 
              - I have made it clear before  AliciaKeyedUp   Dec-22-04 06:55 AM   #21 
                 - So true  Cronus Protagonist   Dec-22-04 07:51 AM   #43 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 06:57 AM   #22 
                 - Of course Christianity changes  AliciaKeyedUp   Dec-22-04 07:02 AM   #24 
                    - The Christian message is immutable.  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 07:04 AM   #25 
                       - Belief in Christ is immutable  AliciaKeyedUp   Dec-22-04 07:16 AM   #28 
                          - Belief is mutable. Even Christ's beliefs were tested.  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 07:22 AM   #29 
                          - I talked to a Christian once who professed Christ attacked others  Cronus Protagonist   Dec-22-04 07:54 AM   #48 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 07:52 AM   #45 
     - I may be wrong, but  Fifth of Five   Dec-22-04 07:52 AM   #46 
        - Thank you for injecting sanity and reason in this thread  CatWoman   Dec-22-04 09:01 AM   #118 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 06:28 AM   #9 
  - It's 400 years ago  AliciaKeyedUp   Dec-22-04 06:29 AM   #10 
     - You are distorting the message and defending the torturers of today.  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 06:32 AM   #12 
     - I didn't distort any message and I didn't defend any torturers  AliciaKeyedUp   Dec-22-04 06:35 AM   #14 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 06:42 AM   #16 
     - The Catholic Church was complicit in the deportation of Jews  Kathy in Cambridge   Dec-22-04 08:27 AM   #88 
        - and some jews and some synogogues were also complicit...  RUDUing2   Dec-22-04 08:34 AM   # 
           - The Vatican collaborated with the Ustashe (pro-Nazi Croats)  Kathy in Cambridge   Dec-22-04 08:47 AM   #101 
              - That is one viewpoint of what the vatican did...  RUDUing2   Dec-22-04 08:55 AM   #110 
  - Offense comes easy to the self-righteous.  The Stranger   Dec-22-04 08:53 AM   #107 
  - so this is the compassionate christianity i've been  davidwhite0570   Dec-22-04 06:07 AM   #5 
  - Rumsfeld Iron Maiden question  gottaB   Dec-22-04 06:11 AM   #6 
  - When I heard Rumsfeld say that about Abu Ghraib...  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 06:38 AM   #15 
     - Replacing "Christian" with "inquisition" would avoid this argument.  IMModerate   Dec-22-04 06:55 AM   #20 
        - But, it is called "The Christian Inquisition."  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 06:59 AM   #23 
           - The Inquisition.....  Branjor   Dec-22-04 07:49 AM   #40 
  - Thanks for sharing these, Indigobiz  buddyhollysghost   Dec-22-04 07:06 AM   #26 
  - Thank you.  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 07:10 AM   #27 
     - Hell yes  buddyhollysghost   Dec-22-04 07:37 AM   #34 
        - Smells like  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 07:48 AM   #38 
  - Maybe this liberal Christian is at the wrong place  America is great   Dec-22-04 07:28 AM   #30 
  - Helluva thread for your first post.  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 07:35 AM   #33 
  - Some of us follow Christ  buddyhollysghost   Dec-22-04 07:41 AM   #35 
  - Abu Ghraid ???  America is great   Dec-22-04 07:49 AM   #39 
  - Did any of yours fight there, my friend?  buddyhollysghost   Dec-22-04 07:57 AM   #52 
  - For a clear picture, read Sy Hersch's book.  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 08:45 AM   # 
  - Bear in mind Abu Ghraib was AMERICAN torture.  Telly Savalas   Dec-22-04 07:50 AM   #42 
  - Nah.  Telly Savalas   Dec-22-04 07:45 AM   #36 
  - Really?  America is great   Dec-22-04 07:50 AM   #41 
  - Sorry.  Telly Savalas   Dec-22-04 07:52 AM   #44 
  - You obviously haven't read the thread,  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 07:53 AM   #47 
     - Actually I have read the thread...  Telly Savalas   Dec-22-04 08:12 AM   #68 
        - Nailed it! n/t  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:25 AM   #84 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 08:38 AM   #95 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 08:45 AM   #98 
              - I'm only trying to clarify my position.  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 08:48 AM   #103 
                 - Evidently you consider my criticism valid and germane  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:59 AM   #114 
  - Point out the name-calling on this thread.  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 07:55 AM   #50 
  - This in NOT about Christians. It is about using Christianity for evil  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 07:46 AM   #37 
  - Then you shouldn't have titled it "Christian Torture Devices"  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:06 AM   #60 
  - "America is a Christian Nation"  StClone   Dec-22-04 08:04 AM   #57 
  - There is zero value in this post  America is great   Dec-22-04 08:13 AM   #70 
     - you act as if christianity is not used for evil puposes today?  SheepyMcSheepster   Dec-22-04 08:46 AM   #99 
     - Says you.  America is great   Dec-22-04 08:53 AM   #108 
     - Uuuuuhhhhhhh  buddyhollysghost   Dec-22-04 08:55 AM   #111 
  - I agree and it's pissing me off today! n/t  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:05 AM   #59 
  - Agreed. Something tells me that such torture devices  anti-fundie   Dec-22-04 08:10 AM   #63 
  - Because.  Kingshakabobo   Dec-22-04 08:52 AM   #105 
  - I saw all those and more at the Torture Museum in Amsterdam  goodboy   Dec-22-04 07:28 AM   #31 
  - Ah yes, the good ol' days!  JNelson6563   Dec-22-04 07:30 AM   #32 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 07:54 AM   #49 
  - So tell us what you are doing to change Christianity?  Cronus Protagonist   Dec-22-04 07:57 AM   #51 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 08:00 AM   #54 
     - I could not have said it better myself! Great post!  America is great   Dec-22-04 08:04 AM   #58 
     - This is about the undeniable history of Christianity.  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 08:10 AM   #65 
     - It's about your undeniable anger at Christianity n/t  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:11 AM   #67 
        - My anger is with the abuse of Christianity.  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 08:14 AM   #71 
           - On that we can agree!  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:47 AM   #100 
              - That's the whole point  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 08:50 AM   #104 
     - Yet you claim the same title, the same gods and the same bible?  Cronus Protagonist   Dec-22-04 08:11 AM   #66 
        - I defend my religion from zealots right and left  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:15 AM   # 
           - Could you just answer my question then?  Cronus Protagonist   Dec-22-04 08:21 AM   #78 
           - Excellent post, Cronus  buddyhollysghost   Dec-22-04 08:59 AM   #115 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 08:32 AM   #92 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 07:59 AM   #53 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 08:01 AM   #55 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 08:07 AM   #61 
           - So now he who titled his thread "Christian Torture Devices"  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:10 AM   #64 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 08:12 AM   #69 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 08:19 AM   #75 
                    - They are Christian Torture Devices. They were developed by  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 08:23 AM   #81 
  - it is funny how those who would declare this is a christian nation  SheepyMcSheepster   Dec-22-04 08:01 AM   #56 
  - My objections to this thread have nothing to do with what you say  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:08 AM   #62 
     - you would like it better if the title was  SheepyMcSheepster   Dec-22-04 08:15 AM   #73 
     - It would be a more accurate thread  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:21 AM   #77 
        - another question if you don't mind  SheepyMcSheepster   Dec-22-04 08:25 AM   #85 
           - I think some people on the left and even the right  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:54 AM   #109 
     - TheContext is clarified in the thread, it was not meant to be inflammatory  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 08:18 AM   #74 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 08:21 AM   #79 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-22-04 08:26 AM   #86 
              - I'm ranting?...................  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:42 AM   #96 
  - hot damn...nothing like a good flame war in the morning to  ProdigalJunkMail   Dec-22-04 08:15 AM   #72 
  - No, Christianity did not. But, those abusing Christianity, did.  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 08:20 AM   #76 
  - But titling your post the way you did  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:23 AM   #82 
     - The title was accurate  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 08:25 AM   #83 
        - From your keyboard  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:26 AM   #87 
           - Shouldn't you be out  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 08:28 AM   #89 
              - I'm here slaying them! n/t  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:29 AM   #90 
                 - You are waging the wrong war...  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 08:33 AM   #93 
                    - Indigo..............  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:34 AM   #94 
  - Thanks Prodigal  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:22 AM   #80 
  - The End of Faith author...  shockra   Dec-22-04 08:30 AM   #91 
  - I don't think Christianity or Islam is about violence.  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 08:59 AM   #116 
  - Non christian torture devices...currently being used NOW..not 400 yrs ago.  RUDUing2   Dec-22-04 08:43 AM   #97 
  - Good post! n/t  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:48 AM   #102 
  - You realize Kerik made millions on stun-gun options,  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 08:52 AM   #106 
     - Yes, and Kerik is an example of a corrupt minion of *  Razorback_Democrat   Dec-22-04 08:56 AM   #112 
     - so? how does that invalidate the post...I posted examples of  RUDUing2   Dec-22-04 08:57 AM   #113 
        - Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that, at all.  indigobusiness   Dec-22-04 09:01 AM   #117 
  - Locking.  Moderator   Dec-22-04 09:02 AM   #119 
 

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