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KingLarryXVII Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-04 01:07 AM
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but it isnt worth anything when its forced upon everyone. Im a strong believer in voluntary charity. If someone is not willing to help the poor then thats their loss.

The basic fact of the matter is that it IS a retirement account, and always has been. Thats why it was set up and thats how it continues today. FDR didnt propose it as a way for the new generation to hold up the old, he made it so the old keep paying into the economy instead of falling off the economic spectrum and no longer helping. It was just a ploy to get us out of the great depression (Which it and the other programs did well) but now it is an old system that cant hold its own and cant even live up the basics of how it was originally planned.
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  -The Social Security Scam of bush: In a nutshell... rasputin1952  Dec-17-04 01:16 AM   #0 
  - kick! Good post.  Liberty Belle   Dec-17-04 01:24 AM   #1 
  - It boils down very simply to this..  tridim   Dec-17-04 01:26 AM   #2 
  - A law MUST be passed to keep the SSA trust fund CLOSED to  Sugarbleus   Dec-17-04 11:34 PM   #18 
  - The savings and loan fiasco.  pa28   Dec-17-04 01:51 AM   #3 
  - And all the people who UNexpectedly end up Disabled and need SSDI income  zann725   Dec-18-04 12:32 AM   #19 
  - kick  Swamp Rat   Dec-17-04 02:15 AM   #4 
  - Did you know that FEDERAL EMPLOYEES don't pay social security?  flordehinojos   Dec-17-04 02:23 AM   #5 
  - How does the Federal Retirement Fund work and who...  whistle   Dec-17-04 11:23 AM   #7 
     - I am not sure ... I will try to find out and post whatever I find out a  flordehinojos   Dec-17-04 12:16 PM   #12 
     - PREVIOUS REPLY UPDATE: Federal Pensions are manage by the Federal Civil  flordehinojos   Dec-17-04 02:36 PM   #14 
        - Reagan and his evil minions laid the ground work for the new-age  rasputin1952   Dec-17-04 09:32 PM   #15 
           - i so agree with you ...  flordehinojos   Dec-18-04 02:31 PM   #25 
  - Social Security are tax free funds correct...  whistle   Dec-17-04 03:45 AM   #6 
  - I was making my point in the simplest of terms. SS is complicated,  rasputin1952   Dec-17-04 11:35 AM   #8 
     - You've nailed it Friend.....  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Dec-17-04 12:10 PM   #10 
        - This scam is the greatest 'gift' the bush maladministration has ever given  rasputin1952   Dec-17-04 01:01 PM   #13 
  - The scam is that the bankers walk away with all your money, then it gets  radwriter0555   Dec-17-04 11:56 AM   #9 
  - kick ! n/t  jarab   Dec-17-04 12:15 PM   #11 
  - Went about it all wrong....  KingLarryXVII   Dec-17-04 10:09 PM   #16 
  - You miss a point though....SS is only based on the last 3 years you worked  rasputin1952   Dec-18-04 09:40 PM   #27 
  - *sigh* you missed the point  KingLarryXVII   Dec-18-04 11:50 PM   #34 
     - Why not invest and go with SS?  rasputin1952   Dec-19-04 10:23 AM   #38 
     - Your "numbers" ARE BULLSHIT!!!!  amBushed   Dec-19-04 10:49 AM   #39 
     - And thats where SS is failing  KingLarryXVII   Dec-19-04 12:57 PM   #40 
     - People don't pay into it their whole lives...  bleedingheart   Dec-21-04 09:33 PM   #50 
  - DEDUCT insurance premiums...  sandnsea   Dec-19-04 03:42 PM   #42 
  - SUPERB Rally piece!!  Sugarbleus   Dec-17-04 11:31 PM   #17 
  - The whole neo-con agenda about 'reform' is really destruction of SS  rasputin1952   Dec-18-04 09:54 PM   #28 
  - SS is a good investment, just as you say...covering your butt when all  rasputin1952   Dec-18-04 11:11 PM   #32 
  - Late-night kick for an excelent post...  KrazyKat   Dec-18-04 03:57 AM   #20 
  - He is trying to outdo his brothers S & L embezzlement scheme.  TWiley   Dec-18-04 04:18 AM   #21 
  - An uphill fight.  Disturbed   Dec-18-04 04:42 AM   #22 
     - I really feel that our first priority should be the 1st Ammendment.  TWiley   Dec-18-04 07:25 AM   #24 
     - I agree 100% about the spinelessness of the media...  rasputin1952   Dec-18-04 11:50 PM   #33 
     - Sure it is an "up-hill fight"...but not ALL of the media is on bush's side  rasputin1952   Dec-18-04 10:57 PM   #30 
  - After the Bush Stock Market Bust,  shayes51   Dec-18-04 07:04 AM   #23 
  - *sigh*  KingLarryXVII   Dec-18-04 06:36 PM   #26 
  - I did read your post, and responded...  rasputin1952   Dec-18-04 10:01 PM   #29 
     - My guess is that your friend doesn't grasp the "big picture" with SS.  JanMichael   Dec-18-04 10:59 PM   #31 
     - I posted that before you responded....  KingLarryXVII   Dec-19-04 12:01 AM   #35 
        - Social Security also pays if you become disabled  idiosyncratic   Dec-19-04 12:12 AM   #36 
        - I am not trying to say you can't invest what you want...  rasputin1952   Dec-19-04 10:17 AM   #37 
        - It's a moral responsibility to the elderly  sandnsea   Dec-19-04 03:44 PM   #43 
           - ...  KingLarryXVII   Dec-21-04 01:07 AM   #45 
              - That is patently untrue, SS can be there for what it was designed for...  rasputin1952   Dec-21-04 08:33 PM   #47 
  - national wealth redistribution and the role of government are the two  pinto   Dec-19-04 02:22 PM   #41 
  - the role of the government  KingLarryXVII   Dec-21-04 01:12 AM   #46 
     - Very poor argument there. If a 'group' can get your money, and the money  rasputin1952   Dec-21-04 08:42 PM   #48 
     - taxation is, by definition, redistribution of money and a govt role.  pinto   Dec-21-04 09:24 PM   #49 
  - As I looked over these posts again, I am reminded of what Novak  rasputin1952   Dec-19-04 09:15 PM   #44 

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