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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-16-04 10:05 PM
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18. Horrible stop-and-start freeway driving gives the best mileage
I'm guessing you have one of the hatchbacks, which have more power and better mileage. Mine's an '03.

I think the problem is that battery technology just doesn't let one store as much energy as the system reclaims, so when in very slow traffic, one is pure electric for long periods and is not wasting as much energy.

You're right about the urban vs. freeway driving, although if you keep it at 63 on long stretches, you'll net 50+ on this model.

Ya gotta love the EPA estimates having a higher city estimate than highway estimate; it's just sort of an eye-opener that you're dealing with a different sort of beast.

What people REALLY don't get is the torque issue: acceleration is much better than anything of comparable horsepower because of the properties of electric motors, and as we city drivers know, it's not speed, but acceleration that matters most. Quite a peppy little thing, isn't it?

This is an idiotic thread; the thing proves itself by its record. Those who poo-pooh it tend to do so from a butch standpoint of thinking of it as a kiddie-car, when it's got plenty of oopmh. Even the weight of the battery issue is silly: it's largely offset by the weight of a larger engine in similarly horse powered vehicles even when the weight of the electric motor is taken into account.

Silly silly silly.

Fun to drive, isn't it?
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  - nothing  IronLionZion   Dec-16-04 08:03 PM   #1 
  - you expect people to hoist a sail out the sunroof?  yorgatron   Dec-16-04 08:14 PM   #2 
     - I expect people to start running cross country  IronLionZion   Dec-16-04 08:17 PM   #4 
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  - The wind-device could be behind the radiator or  FlaGranny   Dec-19-04 08:36 AM   #64 
  - When you decelerate or brake, you're creating energy  PurityOfEssence   Dec-16-04 08:18 PM   #5 
  - "creating energy"  mahatmakanejeeves   Dec-16-04 08:47 PM   #7 
  - The actual statement was:  Sinistrous   Dec-16-04 09:04 PM   #9 
  - getting steamed  mahatmakanejeeves   Dec-16-04 09:08 PM   #10 
  - You're getting the energy from gravity  DjTj   Dec-16-04 09:13 PM   #11 
     - Trading Potential Energy for Kinetic Energy  Poor Richard Lex   Dec-16-04 09:40 PM   #16 
  - energy cannot be created, nor destroyed  AngryAmish   Dec-19-04 10:58 AM   #68 
  - Okay, "availing oneself of otherwise wasted energy"  PurityOfEssence   Dec-16-04 09:14 PM   #12 
  - I should have said something like "harnessing otherwise wasted energy".  mahatmakanejeeves   Dec-16-04 09:37 PM   #15 
  - however  taught_me_patience   Dec-17-04 01:03 PM   #29 
  - 50.3 here!  ChicagoBlue   Dec-16-04 09:30 PM   #13 
  - Horrible stop-and-start freeway driving gives the best mileage  PurityOfEssence   Dec-16-04 10:05 PM   #18 
  - Hi ChicagoBlue !  laheina   Dec-16-04 11:30 PM   #20 
  - Welcome to DU ChicagoBlue. I want a hybrid too!  idiosyncratic   Dec-17-04 12:34 PM   #26 
  - I'd love one, but I can't afford it and I own my current one.  Ms_Mary   Dec-19-04 10:47 AM   #67 
  - What tax deduction did you get for your hybrid?  catzies   Dec-17-04 01:43 PM   #34 
  - I'm hankering for either a hybrid Escape or Highlander...  Debbi801   Dec-17-04 02:19 PM   #39 
  - Sold my SUV and got a Prius back in '02  kostya   Dec-17-04 03:59 PM   #47 
  - Hi ChicagoBlue!!  newyawker99   Dec-19-04 08:14 AM   #63 
  - Plus, I know with our 2004 Prius...  Debbi801   Dec-17-04 02:12 PM   #36 
  - "creating energy"  Fescue4u   Dec-17-04 02:39 PM   #42 
  - Only A GOP Accountant Could Get The Energy Balance In The Black  loindelrio   Dec-16-04 08:20 PM   #6 
  - I don't think I can top that.  mahatmakanejeeves   Dec-16-04 08:48 PM   #8 
  - Who said it was in the black?  PurityOfEssence   Dec-16-04 09:34 PM   #14 
     - What In The Hell Are You Talking About?  loindelrio   Dec-16-04 11:13 PM   #19 
        - Chill out yourself  PurityOfEssence   Dec-17-04 05:47 PM   #57 
           - Whatever Elvis  loindelrio   Dec-17-04 07:29 PM   #60 
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  - With all due respect there is no such thing as a free ride  Ironpost   Dec-17-04 03:02 AM   #22 
  - lol! good one!  InvisibleBallots   Dec-17-04 03:18 AM   #23 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-17-04 03:48 AM   #24 
  - I'm surprised that we're not driving solar powered flying cars.  B Calm   Dec-17-04 07:25 AM   #25 
  - I'm still waiting for the magical hydrogen cars that Bush promised us.  MsAnthropy   Dec-17-04 12:37 PM   #27 
  - Energy loss due to drag would exceed the energy gained from the turbine  Xithras   Dec-17-04 12:51 PM   #28 
  - Interesting study by TxDOT  TX-RAT   Dec-17-04 01:16 PM   #30 
  - Thank you for mentioning that study  cally   Dec-17-04 05:03 PM   #55 
  - Animal travel is not "pollution free"  IanDB1   Dec-17-04 02:20 PM   #41 
  - This whole thread is silly  Royal Observer   Dec-17-04 01:22 PM   #31 
  - It shouldn't be about recouping the extra investment.  idiosyncratic   Dec-17-04 02:07 PM   #35 
  - I still say  Royal Observer   Dec-17-04 03:24 PM   #45 
     - Didn't you ever see "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome"  AngryAmish   Dec-19-04 11:02 AM   #69 
  - You'd recoup that extra cost at about 85000 miles  fishwax   Dec-19-04 10:44 AM   #66 
  - I take it physics isn't your strong suit.  Wonk   Dec-17-04 01:26 PM   #32 
  - Energy cannot be created (or destroyed)...  Zenaholic   Dec-17-04 01:36 PM   #33 
  - I agree about the mileage. I have a VW Golf TDI that gets 55mpg  Ron_Green   Dec-17-04 02:39 PM   #43 
     - But how do you deal with the price of diesel?  kostya   Dec-17-04 04:01 PM   #48 
        - Diesel fuel here is about the same price as premium gasoline, and as long  Ron_Green   Dec-17-04 04:30 PM   #50 
           - You have an OR avatar. Last time I looked out the car window  kostya   Dec-17-04 04:54 PM   #52 
              - It's about the same as premium here on the coast. Maybe 2 cents more.  Ron_Green   Dec-17-04 04:59 PM   #54 
  - Hoo boy.  prof_science   Dec-17-04 02:17 PM   #37 
  - The laws of Thermodynamics  IanDB1   Dec-17-04 02:18 PM   #38 
  - Thermodynamics is just a theory.  mahatmakanejeeves   Dec-17-04 03:59 PM   #46 
     - Hey! That's a great idea!  PurityOfEssence   Dec-17-04 05:53 PM   #58 
  - I don't want to get into a scientific argument...  BeeBee   Dec-17-04 02:20 PM   #40 
  - 48 Miles Per Gallon  spanone   Dec-17-04 03:12 PM   #44 
  - You are joking, right?  lectrobyte   Dec-17-04 04:27 PM   #49 
  - It's worse than that, I think. The way I read the original post what he  Wonk   Dec-17-04 04:37 PM   #51 
     - Yes, it's stupid beyond belief.  DrWeird   Dec-17-04 04:58 PM   #53 
        - I third the vote for complete idiocy  Forkboy   Dec-17-04 05:07 PM   #56 
        - Oh yeah, right, he used to use "thermodynamic" as his user name here.  Wonk   Dec-17-04 07:42 PM   #61 
  - Let's power one with bullshit! Your "idea" could fuel a large fleet.  retread   Dec-17-04 06:06 PM   #59 
  - kick, for comedic value  Wonk   Dec-18-04 06:10 PM   #62 
  - Nikola Tesla worked on an electric car.........  HuskiesHowls   Dec-19-04 10:20 AM   #65 
 

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