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FDRLincoln Donating Member (947 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-03 02:37 PM
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12. closest in views
If I went closest in views it would probably be Wes Clark, but I need to know more about his views to be sure. After that it would probably be Kerry, but I'm concerned about how lackluster his campaign has been.

My views:
1) taking out Saddam was a good idea in the abstract, but the administration has completely botched the whole thing (as I knew they would) and did this the wrong way at the wrong time with too much arrogance and hubris. I'm closer to Zinni and Clark on this than most DUers, and am willing to cut guys like Kerry some slack for voting for the resolution.

2) I personally would not repeal the middle class portion of the Bush tax cut. Instead, I would increase taxes sharply on the top 2% of wageearners, extend FICA in some way like Kerry has mentioned, and repeal the dividend and estate tax cuts. Basically I think the winning position here is to maintain the (small) portion of the Bush tax cut that helped the middle class, while repealing the part of the Bush tax cut that helped the rich.

3) There's got to be some form of universal health coverage, but I'm still trying to figure out how to do this.

4) We need someone who'll be able to rebuild bridges with our allies and find a way to extract ourselves from the Iraq mess. Thus, someone with foreign policy experience and gravitas will be needed in my view.

5) I'm in favor of gay rights and gay marraige.

6) I'm an environmentalist.

7) I supported NAFTA, but I was against GATT and MFN for China. Basically I think our economy could sustain free trade with Mexico and it was in our best interest to do so, but it was a mistake to do this with China and India, where the prevailing wage was just too low. Also, I think cozying up to the Chinese, whose Communist regime is far more brutal than Castro, is just crazy. We'll regret shipping all our factories over there if we ever get into a tussle over Taiwan.

So, here I am....hawkish compared to most DUers, pro-gay, pro-environment, pro-NAFTA, anti-free trade with China, anti-Bush-tax cuts for rich, pro-tax cut for middle class, pro-health care reform, pro-getting rid of Saddam-but-anti-stupid dumbass way Bush did it.
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  -I watched the debate...please explain what's so great about Dean FDRLincoln  Sep-05-03 02:03 PM   #0 
  - I like Dean ( I like everyone except Holy Joe)  fertilizeonarbusto   Sep-05-03 02:06 PM   #1 
  - Here is audio of Dean speaking to either a meetup or a rally  w4rma   Sep-05-03 02:21 PM   #2 
  - It is only September  WilliamPitt   Sep-05-03 02:24 PM   #5 
     - jos, in this post, has a good explanation, IMHO  w4rma   Sep-05-03 02:32 PM   # 
     - He handled the Lieberman attack very well  Woodstock   Sep-05-03 05:00 PM   #63 
     - Gee Whiz, Will...  unfrigginreal   Sep-05-03 02:57 PM   #24 
     - Reading is Fundamental  WilliamPitt   Sep-05-03 03:09 PM   #32 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-03 03:19 PM   #37 
        - Again  WilliamPitt   Sep-05-03 03:20 PM   #38 
        - C'mon Will...we're all buddies here...and should be honest with each other  unfrigginreal   Sep-05-03 03:33 PM   #42 
           - "it has to be tiring."  WilliamPitt   Sep-05-03 04:47 PM   #58 
              - And it's three times you've tried to evade it  Eloriel   Sep-05-03 05:39 PM   #68 
                 - HAHAHAHA.....that's rich.  blm   Sep-05-03 05:43 PM   #69 
                 - How do you know the poster was referencing what I said!?  zidzi   Sep-05-03 07:32 PM   #80 
                    - Because I can comprehend.  blm   Sep-05-03 09:26 PM   #100 
                    - Zid - you go girl!  caledesi   Sep-06-03 05:46 PM   #102 
                 - But I was ADDRESSING the poster  WilliamPitt   Sep-05-03 05:47 PM   #71 
        - Comprehension is Fundamental.  blm   Sep-05-03 03:45 PM   #47 
           - It depends a great deal on the writing...  unfrigginreal   Sep-05-03 03:53 PM   #51 
              - WTF are you talking about?  WilliamPitt   Sep-05-03 04:46 PM   #56 
              - Let us know when the shuttle lands.  blm   Sep-05-03 05:05 PM   #65 
     - The words "I'm tired" should neverbe an excuse for anything  w4rma   Sep-05-03 08:49 PM   #95 
     - Actually Will  indigo32   Sep-05-03 03:38 PM   #44 
     - I don't think he was tired either  kplongco   Sep-05-03 06:00 PM   #72 
        - Dean is always bad at these debates and interviews.  chimpymustgo   Sep-05-03 07:49 PM   #85 
     - Dean didn't make the excuse  Woodstock   Sep-05-03 04:56 PM   #62 
  - I'll agree...  opstachuck   Sep-05-03 02:22 PM   #3 
  - He'd better make it a short curve then.  dbaker41   Sep-05-03 03:07 PM   # 
  - It's the primary  ibegurpard   Sep-05-03 02:24 PM   #4 
  - closest in views  FDRLincoln   Sep-05-03 02:37 PM   #12 
     - Shameless promotion here :D  kplongco   Sep-05-03 06:03 PM   #73 
        - i like Kerry  FDRLincoln   Sep-05-03 08:31 PM   #92 
  - Usually Al Sharpton is the crowd pleaser  XanthaS   Sep-05-03 02:25 PM   #6 
  - Oh, boy, did I love it when he said that  Woodstock   Sep-05-03 05:03 PM   #64 
  - I think what he meant to say was that  TLM   Sep-05-03 02:28 PM   #7 
  - so, Dean can't speak for himself?  Terwilliger   Sep-05-03 02:34 PM   #10 
  - No! We won't let him's too late! I love how the vultures are  zidzi   Sep-05-03 07:37 PM   #81 
  - Likely, he was speaking in New Mexico.  BillyBunter   Sep-05-03 03:51 PM   #49 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-03 02:31 PM   #8 
  - You're still here?  XanthaS   Sep-05-03 02:32 PM   #9 
  - Mine either!  Donna Zen   Sep-05-03 08:02 PM   #88 
  - Davis's hands were tied by Bush's FTC (I think that's the correct  w4rma   Sep-05-03 02:37 PM   #11 
  - FERC n/t  Eloriel   Sep-05-03 05:45 PM   #70 
  - Us Dems?  ibegurpard   Sep-05-03 02:37 PM   #13 
  - He's upset about Bush-bashers  XanthaS   Sep-05-03 02:39 PM   #16 
  - I find the "Alert" button handy in such crcumstances. (NT)  Atlant   Sep-05-03 02:40 PM   #17 
     - I tried that 10 minutes ago!  XanthaS   Sep-05-03 02:41 PM   #18 
        - I just pressed "Alert" on this guy too...  edzontar   Sep-05-03 02:48 PM   #20 
           - Alert button seems not to be working  XanthaS   Sep-05-03 03:08 PM   #31 
  - California is in a crisis because of Enron, no question about it  0rganism   Sep-05-03 02:42 PM   #19 
  - Amazing  tkmorris   Sep-05-03 02:50 PM   #21 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-03 02:58 PM   #25 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-03 03:10 PM   #33 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-03 03:23 PM   #40 
           - "Bringing the terrorist threat to a head?"  XanthaS   Sep-05-03 03:46 PM   #48 
           - You really are ill-informed  RationalRose   Sep-05-03 03:52 PM   #50 
           - Now Freepers are trying to argue that increased violence in Iraq...  XanthaS   Sep-05-03 03:59 PM   #52 
              - Freepers have no logic, XanthaS  RationalRose   Sep-05-03 04:09 PM   #54 
              - Where are all the Moderators today?  XanthaS   Sep-05-03 04:56 PM   #61 
              - Yeah, they ran from "draining the swamp" to the "magnet" theory...  caledesi   Sep-05-03 04:43 PM   #55 
                 - ohhhh, oh oh, have you heard the LATEST?  kplongco   Sep-05-03 08:45 PM   #94 
                    - No f*cking way. This is unreal. Now they are using "wanted"  caledesi   Sep-06-03 05:44 PM   #101 
           - ah "flypaper"  StandWatie   Sep-05-03 04:03 PM   #53 
           - The terrorist threat is not a zit  forradalom   Sep-05-03 05:08 PM   #66 
           - silly me!  gemini_liberal   Sep-05-03 05:35 PM   #67 
           - Congratulations! First Iraq-acne analogy I've ever seen in print  0rganism   Sep-05-03 06:06 PM   #75 
  - California?  JNelson6563   Sep-05-03 02:57 PM   #23 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-03 03:05 PM   #27 
  - What's not to "criticize"!  zidzi   Sep-05-03 07:40 PM   #82 
  - Didn't watch the debate eh?  Beacho   Sep-05-03 02:39 PM   #14 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-03 02:54 PM   #22 
     - All the candidates both attacked Bush* and offered alternative  w4rma   Sep-05-03 03:01 PM   #26 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-03 03:16 PM   #34 
        - You're Trying To Sell TRICKLE DOWN Economics here?  XanthaS   Sep-05-03 03:22 PM   #39 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-03 03:32 PM   #41 
           - Those who are unisured receive the most expensive....  XanthaS   Sep-05-03 03:41 PM   #45 
              - Why do people always say this?  OKNancy   Sep-05-03 06:06 PM   #76 
                 - When the unisured are unable to pay.....  XanthaS   Sep-05-03 06:25 PM   #77 
                 - "most everyone will work with you"  uptohere   Sep-05-03 09:23 PM   #99 
        - you're welcome  w4rma   Sep-05-03 09:11 PM   #98 
     - Why would the Dem Candidates NOT Bash Bush?  XanthaS   Sep-05-03 03:06 PM   #28 
     - That's right! Xan.  caledesi   Sep-05-03 04:47 PM   #57 
        - Also, have they forgotten the relentless Clinton bashing from  caledesi   Sep-06-03 05:53 PM   #103 
     - No one cares about nor expects to influence the opinions of Republicans  ibegurpard   Sep-05-03 03:07 PM   #30 
     - He's right about Bush, you know!  g_w_blaaarg   Sep-05-03 03:45 PM   #46 
     - Oh bush Said he was going to send our Country down the tubes!  zidzi   Sep-05-03 07:43 PM   #84 
  - Dean did poorly last night, almost as bad as my guy Edwards  uptohere   Sep-05-03 02:39 PM   #15 
  - Agreed..  Dookus   Sep-05-03 03:16 PM   #35 
     - yeah that notion wont take him far  uptohere   Sep-05-03 07:18 PM   #79 
        - "I watched the debate...please explain what's so great about Dean"  Myra   Sep-05-03 09:02 PM   #97 
  - I think to best understand the appeal of Howard Dean  hooligan   Sep-05-03 03:07 PM   #29 
  - Can you list who voted for Bush's taxcuts?  blm   Sep-05-03 03:35 PM   #43 
  - By the way  hooligan   Sep-05-03 03:17 PM   #36 
  - Kind of like the Grateful Dead.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-05-03 04:47 PM   #59 
  - Here are some good links to listen to him  Woodstock   Sep-05-03 04:52 PM   #60 
  - Want to know why I respect Dean?  Sagan   Sep-05-03 06:04 PM   #74 
  - Thank you, sagan! I see that, too. And have for a long time.  zidzi   Sep-05-03 07:52 PM   #86 
  - I agree with you to a certain extent,  BillyBunter   Sep-05-03 08:57 PM   #96 
  - I don't get the fascination either. He can hardly finish a sentence.  CentristDemocrat   Sep-05-03 07:13 PM   #78 
  - Sorry, you don't "get it"!  zidzi   Sep-05-03 07:54 PM   #87 
     - I doubt he's running for president.  BillyBunter   Sep-05-03 08:37 PM   #93 
  - simple, Dean is not Bush  meisje   Sep-05-03 07:42 PM   #83 
  - I am so weary  maxanne   Sep-05-03 08:11 PM   #89 
  - Send Your Money to Dean  Upfront   Sep-05-03 08:22 PM   #90 
  - He's a man of science, which is refreshing after a few years of Bush's...  killbotfactory   Sep-05-03 08:29 PM   #91 

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