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119. Communism has never been practiced, rather like
Christianity. Stalinism was never "from each according to his (or her) abilities, to each according to his (or her) needs." Stalin killed far more people than Hitler every dreamed of (likewise Mao), but their systems were never Marxist communism.

A communist system can be democratic. In fact, done properly, it would be.
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  -Do you believe Communism was so evil anymore.? Swede  Dec-10-04 07:56 PM   #0 
  - Is economic redistribution really piss you off?  Swede   Dec-10-04 07:57 PM   #1 
  - Capatilism vs communism.  Swede   Dec-10-04 09:21 PM   #33 
  - Communism has never been practiced, rather like  InformedSource   Dec-11-04 07:53 PM   #119 
     - Follow up comment  InformedSource   Dec-11-04 07:55 PM   #120 
        - Can we 'blame'...  Royal Observer   Dec-12-04 01:12 PM   #141 
  - It is NOT evil. 90 million people died in the pursuit of it...but hey..  leftyandproud   Dec-10-04 11:34 PM   #50 
     - I'm sure Wolfowitz has said the same thing.  American Tragedy   Dec-11-04 04:29 AM   #63 
     - And how many died in the pursuit of Christianity?  bhikkhu   Dec-12-04 01:09 AM   #126 
  - No.  DrWeird   Dec-10-04 07:58 PM   #2 
  - Don't you think what 's going on in America is not working?  Swede   Dec-10-04 07:59 PM   #5 
  - Obviously it's not.  DrWeird   Dec-10-04 08:03 PM   #12 
  - There's an easy solution to that  AliciaKeyedUp   Dec-11-04 08:44 AM   #69 
     - Hey!!  Krocksice   Dec-11-04 08:01 PM   #121 
     - If you'd rather be someplace  AliciaKeyedUp   Dec-13-04 06:50 AM   #153 
     - Ahhh. The RW canard.  Kathy in Cambridge   Dec-11-04 11:40 PM   #123 
        - Not RW, LW  AliciaKeyedUp   Dec-13-04 06:51 AM   #154 
           - I suppose you'd say the same thing to the wife of an abusive husband.  DrWeird   Dec-13-04 11:44 AM   #160 
  - Yes, I stood in line 5 hrs to post this at Peoples Internet Access Stn 579  EDT   Dec-11-04 02:43 PM   #94 
  - That made me picture "Darth Commie", a Sith knight replete with symbology.  Zhade   Dec-11-04 02:46 PM   #95 
  - Never thought it was. It's the most logical way to organize a society.  neweurope   Dec-10-04 07:58 PM   #3 
  - Yes.  LoZoccolo   Dec-10-04 07:58 PM   #4 
  - evil...no, just really stupid and like any other totalitarian system  Cheswick2.0   Dec-10-04 07:59 PM   #6 
  - The market is not working either.  Swede   Dec-10-04 08:03 PM   #13 
     - Nothing that is happening, even now  Cheswick2.0   Dec-10-04 08:24 PM   #25 
  - Yes. Absolutely.  Pax Hayden   Dec-10-04 08:00 PM   #7 
  - Can you call them evil?  Swede   Dec-10-04 08:01 PM   #9 
  - Anarchists?  DrWeird   Dec-10-04 08:04 PM   #15 
  - What "Free Market"?  reprobate   Dec-11-04 12:11 PM   #72 
  - Well I never thought it was evil...I find that all concepts have a down  movonne   Dec-10-04 08:01 PM   #8 
  - No  LSparkle   Dec-10-04 08:01 PM   #10 
  - I don't think that it was ever evil...  LostInAnomie   Dec-10-04 08:02 PM   #11 
  - On the other hand,  forgethell   Dec-10-04 11:29 PM   #47 
     - Well if you get down to it there has never truly been a communist state.  LostInAnomie   Dec-10-04 11:48 PM   #53 
     - That's because  forgethell   Dec-10-04 11:55 PM   #55 
     - We have not seen REAL communism...  LostInAnomie   Dec-11-04 12:25 AM   #57 
     - Marxism was supposed  forgethell   Dec-11-04 08:36 AM   #66 
     - What do you not understand? TRUE Marxism has NEVER been tried.  LostInAnomie   Dec-11-04 05:53 PM   #115 
        - LostInAnomie, That's my understanding, too. We should be talking about  rhite5   Dec-11-04 09:40 PM   #122 
        - What don't you understand?  forgethell   Dec-13-04 10:28 AM   #157 
        - So, when it's next tried....how many billions will die?  DoNotRefill   Dec-13-04 05:21 PM   #164 
     - There's another reason the USSR failed.  reprobate   Dec-11-04 12:22 PM   #74 
     - And how does that little fact  forgethell   Dec-11-04 05:34 PM   #112 
     - Self deleted duplicate post.  reprobate   Dec-11-04 12:22 PM   #75 
     - "the pathetic economic state of Cuba" - you should look into that more.  Zhade   Dec-11-04 02:52 PM   #97 
     - I have looked into  forgethell   Dec-11-04 05:36 PM   #113 
     - And Cuba most impressively is equal to the US in life expectancy  bhikkhu   Dec-12-04 01:15 AM   #127 
     - "Pathetic economic state of Cuba" as opposed to  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-11-04 03:46 PM   #104 
     - Real communism is a ruse to protect followers of Marx....  rinsd   Dec-13-04 05:24 PM   #166 
     - Che and Castro HARDLY belong with the rest you've listed.  Zhade   Dec-11-04 02:49 PM   #96 
        - Don't they?  forgethell   Dec-11-04 05:42 PM   #114 
           - So, when Castro threw out Batista, that was evil?  Zhade   Dec-12-04 01:00 AM   #124 
              - It's what he did afterwards. Jeez!! n/t  forgethell   Dec-12-04 10:17 AM   #137 
  - Communism was/is as evil as Fascism--it is as repressive. The difference  flordehinojos   Dec-10-04 08:04 PM   #14 
  - Does this sound familiar to you?  Swede   Dec-10-04 08:06 PM   #16 
     - I've heard it many times  flordehinojos   Dec-10-04 08:19 PM   #22 
  - Since we actually never saw  lenidog   Dec-10-04 08:07 PM   #17 
  - I think we did see  forgethell   Dec-10-04 11:31 PM   #48 
  - The problem with Communisim is the same problem with Capitalisim  hollowdweller   Dec-10-04 08:07 PM   #18 
  - Power corrupts,absolute power corrputs absolutlely........  Swede   Dec-10-04 08:10 PM   #20 
  - Yes it is evil.  Okieprogie   Dec-10-04 08:08 PM   #19 
  - What I am asking is Communism.  Swede   Dec-10-04 08:17 PM   #21 
  - It's the people  forgethell   Dec-10-04 11:32 PM   #49 
  - read the black book of communism...real number closer to 100 million  leftyandproud   Dec-10-04 11:36 PM   #52 
  - Wow, so Castro is in the same league as Stalin and Mao?  Zhade   Dec-11-04 02:56 PM   #98 
     - Yes  Okieprogie   Dec-11-04 05:22 PM   #110 
        - All I can say is: educate yourself. You've swallowed the propaganda.  Zhade   Dec-12-04 01:01 AM   #125 
        - So it's not true?  Okieprogie   Dec-12-04 10:04 AM   #135 
        - "Armas? Por Que?"  DoNotRefill   Dec-13-04 05:28 PM   #169 
  - No, the ideals of communism are noble. It hasn't been implemented  bobweaver   Dec-10-04 08:20 PM   #23 
  - Human greed. I am a slave to it.  Swede   Dec-10-04 08:22 PM   #24 
  - Communism advocates violence against capitalists, doesn't it?  ckramer   Dec-10-04 08:52 PM   #28 
  - "In capitalism, wealth and properties are taken away by law."  Zhade   Dec-11-04 02:59 PM   #99 
  - So how many more millions must die....  DoNotRefill   Dec-13-04 05:29 PM   #170 
  - It was fine in theory, but unfortunately, people used it as an excuse to  Lydia Leftcoast   Dec-10-04 08:44 PM   #26 
  - very well said  ckramer   Dec-10-04 09:02 PM   #30 
  - You have to admit one thing LL.........  Old and In the Way   Dec-10-04 09:16 PM   #32 
  - That's an interesting observation  ckramer   Dec-10-04 09:27 PM   #34 
     - Ultimately, I'm not sure you could stop it.  Old and In the Way   Dec-10-04 09:43 PM   #38 
  - "Neither China nor the USSR actually implemented Communism"  Starlight   Dec-10-04 09:31 PM   #37 
  - there is possibility of evil in everything.  TrustingDog   Dec-10-04 08:48 PM   #27 
  - It, like true democracy, doesn't exist outside of a group of 20 people  LittleClarkie   Dec-10-04 08:57 PM   #29 
  - What doesn't break down eventually?  AG78   Dec-10-04 09:13 PM   #31 
  - yes, a scourge on mankind.  kodi   Dec-10-04 09:28 PM   #35 
  - So Castro "heaped skulls" too, eh?  Zhade   Dec-11-04 03:06 PM   #101 
     - only about 70K out of 11M, so castro was only a mid-mass murderer  kodi   Dec-12-04 11:27 AM   #139 
  - Yep. Read "The Gulag Archipelago"  tom_paine   Dec-10-04 09:30 PM   #36 
  - No, not evil. There's no such thing as real evil in the world.  Darth_Ole   Dec-10-04 09:52 PM   #43 
  - I'm curious.  forgethell   Dec-11-04 08:39 AM   #68 
  - There are a number of small communes in the US  Poor Richard Lex   Dec-12-04 09:02 AM   #133 
     - Intentional Communities are awesome  RumpusCat   Dec-12-04 12:47 PM   #140 
     - It only works on small scales.  Silverhair   Dec-13-04 09:00 AM   #156 
  - "Communism devolves swiftly into Tyranny. Seemingly always."  kodi   Dec-10-04 09:54 PM   #45 
  - well  agitprop   Dec-10-04 09:46 PM   #39 
  - Well  CHIMO   Dec-10-04 09:48 PM   #40 
  - Communism is not evil. It's unrealistic and impossible, but not  lizzy   Dec-10-04 09:49 PM   #41 
  - True communism is an illusion  Hanover_Fist   Dec-10-04 09:52 PM   #42 
  - Exactly. There have never been a communist country.  lizzy   Dec-10-04 09:54 PM   #44 
  - As long as you define success as overpowering other people,  shance   Dec-12-04 05:29 PM   #148 
  - Theory yes.  illbill   Dec-10-04 09:56 PM   #46 
  - Absolutely  ChemEng   Dec-10-04 11:35 PM   #51 
  - I'm sure this has already been mentioned  Bouncy Ball   Dec-10-04 11:53 PM   #54 
  - Yes  eleny   Dec-10-04 11:59 PM   #56 
  - NO it is not near as evil as it was portrayed  donheld   Dec-11-04 02:48 AM   #58 
  - Dictatorships are evil  sandnsea   Dec-11-04 03:09 AM   #59 
  - I agree  morgan2   Dec-11-04 04:01 AM   #60 
  - hey, i think this may be interesting for the topic  Charlls   Dec-11-04 04:09 AM   #61 
  - It is a profoundly flawed and ill-conceived economic system  American Tragedy   Dec-11-04 04:21 AM   #62 
  - the problem is when people speakes loosely, and people nods thoughtlessly  Charlls   Dec-11-04 05:12 AM   #64 
     - I concur  quaker bill   Dec-11-04 12:33 PM   #80 
  - Wow. Thanks guys.  Swede   Dec-11-04 05:25 AM   #65 
  - Any totalitarian system is evil, so yes, I still do.  Padraig18   Dec-11-04 08:38 AM   #67 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-11-04 09:35 AM   #70 
  - yeah they really are  sandnsea   Dec-11-04 12:07 PM   #71 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-11-04 12:35 PM   #81 
        - Just pointing out  sandnsea   Dec-11-04 12:41 PM   #82 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-11-04 12:54 PM   #85 
              - Then back to point A  sandnsea   Dec-11-04 02:33 PM   #93 
              - You remember the *propaganda*, truth is more nuanced  podnoi   Dec-11-04 03:43 PM   #103 
  - Dictatorship is evil  Radical Activist   Dec-11-04 12:20 PM   #73 
  - The PR side of Communism isn't. But the practice of Communism is.  w4rma   Dec-11-04 12:24 PM   #76 
  - Centralized power is not Communist, it is Socialist.  quaker bill   Dec-11-04 12:29 PM   #78 
     - Has there ever been a communist government  Radical Activist   Dec-11-04 01:01 PM   #86 
     - Centralized power is a hallmark of revolutions in general  quaker bill   Dec-11-04 01:41 PM   #89 
     - That makes no sense.  w4rma   Dec-11-04 01:37 PM   #88 
        - You forgot one word  quaker bill   Dec-11-04 01:50 PM   #90 
        - Let's look instead at a nation that calls themself Communist: China.  w4rma   Dec-11-04 02:06 PM   #91 
        - The Nazis had a strong socialist element to their platform....  DoNotRefill   Dec-13-04 05:40 PM   #171 
  - The form of state socialism used by the Soviets was repressive  quaker bill   Dec-11-04 12:25 PM   #77 
  - under Capitalism, man exploits man  doubleplusgood   Dec-11-04 12:31 PM   #79 
  - Tell ya what  AliciaKeyedUp   Dec-11-04 12:44 PM   #83 
  - The freedom to type  AG78   Dec-11-04 01:20 PM   #87 
  - if you actually read what I posted  doubleplusgood   Dec-11-04 06:12 PM   #116 
  - "under Capitalism, man exploits man"  Retired AF Dem   Dec-12-04 01:50 PM   #146 
  - OK, obviously some are not getting the joke here  doubleplusgood   Dec-12-04 06:13 PM   #150 
     - No shit  Retired AF Dem   Dec-13-04 05:08 PM   #163 
  - LOL....best synopsis I've seen yet (nt)  rinsd   Dec-13-04 05:27 PM   #168 
  - Heh...you read Mad Magazine as a child too, I see...  DoNotRefill   Dec-13-04 05:41 PM   #172 
  - It depends on what you mean by Communism.  durutti   Dec-11-04 12:46 PM   #84 
  - Communism was BAD, and still is.  Placebo   Dec-11-04 02:22 PM   #92 
  - It's not black and white. Some things they had in USSR  podnoi   Dec-11-04 03:34 PM   #102 
  - Totalitarian aspects of both communism and capitalism/corporatism/fascism  UdoKier   Dec-11-04 03:05 PM   #100 
  - Not evil... In fact, in retrospect totally valid.....  Chicago Democrat   Dec-11-04 04:21 PM   #105 
  - Yes.  Wild Rabbit   Dec-11-04 04:25 PM   #106 
  - Not At All  manic expression   Dec-11-04 04:26 PM   #107 
  - I have never NOT believed that Communism is/was evil. n/t  Cuban_Liberal   Dec-11-04 04:30 PM   #108 
  - Not only evil, but obsolete too.  Wild Rabbit   Dec-11-04 04:49 PM   #109 
  - Interesting idea, and welcome to DU.  Silverhair   Dec-11-04 07:46 PM   #118 
  - Maybe human's future lies in the combination of communism and  ckramer   Dec-11-04 05:29 PM   #111 
  - The idea isn't evil - the regimes have been  HEyHEY   Dec-11-04 06:30 PM   #117 
  - Not evil. Just discreditied and unworkable  bluestateguy   Dec-12-04 02:06 AM   #128 
  - Communism has the same problem as Christianity.  Taxloss   Dec-12-04 02:21 AM   #129 
  - Yes nt  Piperay   Dec-12-04 03:32 AM   #130 
  - Democratic Socialism  Disturbed   Dec-12-04 04:47 AM   #131 
  - It never was. In ANY society, it's the LEADERSHIP that makes or breaks it  HypnoToad   Dec-12-04 07:56 AM   #132 
  - hey, really, i think this may be interesting for the topic  Charlls   Dec-12-04 09:16 AM   #134 
  - I have never really believed that  catbert836   Dec-12-04 10:07 AM   #136 
  - No more than capitalism. Both, taken to extreme are a disaster and  leesa   Dec-12-04 10:39 AM   #138 
  - The economic system isn't evil really  JohnKleeb   Dec-12-04 01:16 PM   #142 
  - Remember John... the USSR was truly NOT communist  nadinbrzezinski   Dec-12-04 01:26 PM   #143 
  - What do you think, Swede?  VioletLake   Dec-12-04 01:27 PM   #144 
  - Yes it was evil  Retired AF Dem   Dec-12-04 01:36 PM   #145 
  - However, communism didn't kill these people.  shance   Dec-12-04 05:35 PM   #149 
     - That's like saying...  DoNotRefill   Dec-13-04 05:25 PM   #167 
  - Not evil per say.  SarahBelle   Dec-12-04 02:05 PM   #147 
  - I don't think the ideology is evil, necessarily...  KSAtheist   Dec-13-04 01:18 AM   #151 
  - "Marx lied to us about Communism,"  eridani   Dec-13-04 01:26 AM   #152 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-13-04 07:41 AM   #155 
  - I haven't read all the answers, but having witnessed the cold war  Cleita   Dec-13-04 11:11 AM   #158 
  - yes. commies = bad  l33tGuy   Dec-13-04 11:42 AM   #159 
  - never thought communism was evil...did and do think that because of  RUDUing2   Dec-13-04 11:49 AM   #161 
  - I Don't Believe Ideas Have Inherent Evil or Good  ProfessorGAC   Dec-13-04 11:53 AM   #162 
  - Under Capitalism, man exploits man.  DoNotRefill   Dec-13-04 05:23 PM   #165 
 

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