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Sun Dec-05-04 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #10 |
| 14. In other words, it's slavery, not marriage. |
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And they have no business getting married in the first place if they are unable to stand up for themselves.
I see what you are trying to say, but from my viewpoint, a person who allows themselves to be browbeaten into this form of marriage isn't a person that should be marrying at all because they lack the self-awareness and esteem necessary to enter into a contract of this type.
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| -"Covenant" Marriage-Good or Bad? |
classicfilmfan |
Dec-05-04 12:14 PM |
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Let's go back to the bad old days |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Dec-05-04 12:17 PM |
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That's what I thought too |
classicfilmfan |
Dec-05-04 12:19 PM |
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No, they need low paid workers |
ayeshahaqqiqa |
Dec-05-04 12:21 PM |
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Stupid idea...... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 12:18 PM |
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I think Louisiana |
varun |
Dec-05-04 12:19 PM |
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The word "mandatory" in this context is misleading |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 12:20 PM |
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Personally, I think anyone stupid enough to get one of these.... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 12:24 PM |
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I can imagine certain churches pressuring their member to get one |
DBoon |
Dec-05-04 12:35 PM |
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In other words, it's slavery, not marriage. |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 12:42 PM |
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You are right |
DBoon |
Dec-05-04 01:11 PM |
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In that case, most if not all marriages are "slavery" |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 01:11 PM |
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If you don't like what I said, feel free to ignore me. |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 01:32 PM |
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Fat chance |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 01:38 PM |
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I am hostile to the notion because I feel it would detrimental... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 01:52 PM |
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And so you called it "slavery"??? |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 02:13 PM |
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A person is able to extricate themselves from a "normal" marriage... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 02:47 PM |
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And people can extricate themselves from convenant marriages too |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 03:25 PM |
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Leave it alone. I disagree with your position wholeheartedly |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 03:38 PM |
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Do you really think there's any chance I will obey your orders? |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 04:15 PM |
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That's what the article said |
classicfilmfan |
Dec-05-04 01:00 PM |
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Which underscores the point that if you can be pressured into... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 01:04 PM |
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Yes, and we know no one has EVER been pressured into getting married |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 01:12 PM |
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I didn't say that they hadn't.... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 01:20 PM |
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True, you just criticized one for something that applies to the other also |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 01:23 PM |
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Um, did you even read where I replied exactly to someone... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 01:26 PM |
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Of course they would be pressured |
DBoon |
Dec-05-04 01:32 PM |
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I don't think pressure is ALWAYS going to be a factor. |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 01:38 PM |
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Pressure is a factor in traditional marriages also |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 01:40 PM |
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It is easier to get a divorce than it is for a slave to buy their freedom |
DBoon |
Dec-05-04 01:55 PM |
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I agree with most of that |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 02:16 PM |
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Of course you totally leave out the factor of pressure... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 02:53 PM |
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That's because the law takes coercion into account |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 03:22 PM |
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Yeah, imagine trying to prove social coercion? |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 03:32 PM |
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You'd have to define it first |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 03:37 PM |
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Perhaps it's because "non-covenant" marriages... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 02:00 PM |
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Well, that's the first time you've said that |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 02:21 PM |
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I wouldn't have had to had you not jumped to rash conclusions... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 02:49 PM |
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So now I imagined you calling it "slavery"?? |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 03:26 PM |
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No you imagined me calling ALL marriage slavery... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 03:30 PM |
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Exactly, what's wrong with all those red staters*... |
Salviati |
Dec-05-04 01:16 PM |
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The Repugs want to keep gov't out of business |
classicfilmfan |
Dec-05-04 01:43 PM |
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That has to be the stupidest thing I ever heard of. |
coloradodem2005 |
Dec-05-04 12:25 PM |
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Why would anyone enter into this contract? |
BattyDem |
Dec-05-04 12:32 PM |
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On the flip side, it would be a good sign.... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 12:37 PM |
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Exactly! If a guy suggests this contract ... |
BattyDem |
Dec-05-04 12:58 PM |
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To protect marriage, just outlaw divorce and be done with it. |
SharonAnn |
Dec-05-04 12:36 PM |
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Well, I suppose if they're going to create a special class of people |
neebob |
Dec-05-04 12:41 PM |
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I can't beleive they are going to monkey around with Marriage |
BR_Parkway |
Dec-05-04 01:06 PM |
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Tell your daughter that getting married is NOT a good thing. |
cornermouse |
Dec-05-04 01:12 PM |
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What's the point of "convenant" marriages? |
Solly Mack |
Dec-05-04 01:29 PM |
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To make it more difficult to get a divorce |
classicfilmfan |
Dec-05-04 01:37 PM |
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But it's not mandatory..per the info given |
Solly Mack |
Dec-05-04 01:41 PM |
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No more pointless than banning something that doesn't exist |
classicfilmfan |
Dec-05-04 02:34 PM |
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Exactly...is there any NEED for this kind of variation? |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 03:06 PM |
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so it's a standard of measure as well as being pointless |
Solly Mack |
Dec-05-04 05:40 PM |
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It's super-duper marriage. For Mormons, it extends beyond death, etc. |
elehhhhna |
Dec-05-04 01:58 PM |
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James Dobson, Don Wildmon, et al have been endorsing these |
doni_georgia |
Dec-05-04 01:35 PM |
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And this is exactly the sort of coercion I meant |
DBoon |
Dec-05-04 01:57 PM |
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That's misleading |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 02:23 PM |
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It's another instance of religion |
BrewerJohn |
Dec-05-04 02:09 PM |
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The main problem I have with these |
fnottr |
Dec-05-04 02:21 PM |
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If marriage is simply a contract |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 02:41 PM |
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the problem with interjecting a religious view |
fnottr |
Dec-05-04 02:56 PM |
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I think we mean different things by the "public domain" |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 03:30 PM |
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Does the "why" of this law have any bearing on its merit? |
Kingshakabobo |
Dec-05-04 04:14 PM |
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Very good question |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 04:17 PM |
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Though I don't wish to limit the freedoms of consenting adults |
fnottr |
Dec-05-04 04:24 PM |
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I still am wary of coercion and social/religious/emotional pressure... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 04:44 PM |
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Oh I completely agree |
fnottr |
Dec-05-04 04:57 PM |
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And I share those concerns, particularly your 2nd point |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 04:54 PM |
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No, these will not cause a sudden merging of state and church |
fnottr |
Dec-05-04 05:06 PM |
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My thoughts on possible constitutional objections |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 05:13 PM |
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Well, I'm certainly no legal or constitutional expert |
fnottr |
Dec-05-04 05:19 PM |
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Then we're at basically the same point |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 05:25 PM |
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Let's hope so! n/t |
fnottr |
Dec-05-04 05:29 PM |
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This was true in NY ....... |
serryjw |
Dec-05-04 02:24 PM |
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painfully stupid |
Lexingtonian |
Dec-05-04 02:42 PM |
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Both Lynne Cheney and Laura Bush had to threaten their husbands |
barbaraann |
Dec-05-04 02:45 PM |
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Here's an idea |
NicoleM |
Dec-05-04 03:05 PM |
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what the fuck is wrong with the fundies? |
enki23 |
Dec-05-04 03:52 PM |
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To put it crudely, they can't stop their daughters from fucking |
sangh0 |
Dec-05-04 04:21 PM |
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I think it's a GREAT idea... |
regnaD kciN |
Dec-05-04 04:24 PM |
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Another good argument for getting the state OUT of marriage. |
SmokingJacket |
Dec-05-04 04:27 PM |
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Petition to outlaw divorce. |
Kingshakabobo |
Dec-05-04 04:27 PM |
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yeah, I heard those ideas too |
fnottr |
Dec-05-04 05:22 PM |
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I think all Republicans should be required to get these marriages |
jmowreader |
Dec-05-04 04:38 PM |
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Speaking of full faith and credit clauses.... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 04:46 PM |
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Not at all. |
jmowreader |
Dec-05-04 05:24 PM |
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Exactly, so would we be able to make their divorces unbinding... |
Liberal Veteran |
Dec-05-04 05:35 PM |
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While I think plain marriage is enough |
supernova |
Dec-05-04 05:23 PM |
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Jeez - no freaking way! |
Delphinus |
Dec-05-04 05:32 PM |
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Ok, this is a good thing in a backward way. |
progressoid |
Dec-05-04 06:07 PM |
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Huckabee and his ilk |
oneighty |
Dec-05-04 06:45 PM |
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