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Snivi Yllom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-02-04 11:35 AM
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7. one thing to note
Edited on Thu Dec-02-04 11:42 AM by Snivi Yllom
BBV's message to KO today has been edited and the language changed.

the first statement

Black Box Voting demands retraction from Keith Olberman. We have given him the option to correct his factually flawed editorial by having Bev Harris come the on his show (contrary to his assertions, neither he nor his staff have EVER asked Harris to show anyone the Volusia County tapes. (One Olberman's producers did ask Harris to appear on the Countdown show, twice, both times BEFORE Harris came to Florida or uncovered Volusia County irregulaties. In both cases, after Harris had cleared her schedule to appear, right before the show, Olberman's producers canceled the appearance without explanation. Harris has always agreed to go on Olberman's show, and Olberman is the one who canceled, not Harris. The Volusia County tapes were showed to CNN cameramen, but Harris has never been asked to show any Volusia County materials to Olberman, MSNBC producers, NBC producers, CNBC producers, or anyone else with that TV network or its affiliates.

Also contrary to Olberman's claims, Harris is not making a documentary, but the makers of the Votergate documentary, an independent team who captured the Volusia County trash incident on film, are eager to interview Keith Olberman on camera to ask him why he produced this report.


later the statement was revised and released changing some of her claims:

Black Box Voting requests retraction from Keith Olberman, along with an explanation of why MSNBC alleged such an untruth. We have given Olberman the opportunity to correct his factually flawed editorial by having Bev Harris appear on his show. Contrary to Olberman's assertions, neither he nor his staff have EVER asked Harris to show anyone the Volusia County tapes. They have not asked Harris to come on the show since November 8. Harris did not come to Florida until November 12. Olberman's producers had asked Harris to appear on the Countdown show twice, on Nov. 5 and Nov. 8. Each time, after Harris cleared her schedule to appear and shortly before the show, Olberman's producers canceled the appearance without explanation. Harris showed the Volusia County tapes to CNN cameramen, but Harris has never been asked to show any Volusia County materials to any MSNBC producers, or NBC producers. The NBC local affiliate in Palm Beach County asked for the LePore videotape, which Harris promptly provided. The tapes, when showed without editing, show clearly that Olberman's report was not accurate about the LePore incident either. An edited version of the LePore tape was aired on both Orlando and Palm Beach County NBC affiliates last night.

Also contrary to Olberman's claims, Harris is not making a documentary, but the makers of the Votergate documentary, an independent team who captured the Volusia County trash incident on film, are eager to interview Keith Olberman on camera to ask him why he produced this report.
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  -Discussion is needed ....Olberman/Harris AmerDem  Dec-02-04 11:14 AM   #0 
  - Easily solved. She could produce the tapes. End of  TexasSissy   Dec-02-04 11:18 AM   #1 
  - Response  BevHarris   Dec-02-04 11:35 AM   #8 
     - Those with clear heads are behind you, Bev.  Village Idiot   Dec-02-04 11:40 AM   #11 
     - Thanks Bev  AmerDem   Dec-02-04 11:47 AM   #17 
     - Why would Olbermann lie?  Killarney   Dec-02-04 11:50 AM   #18 
     - Why would Olberman use wording  AmerDem   Dec-02-04 11:57 AM   #28 
        - You're talking about the guy that voluntarily left  Killarney   Dec-02-04 11:59 AM   #29 
           - He has always shown integrity  AmerDem   Dec-02-04 12:13 PM   #33 
     - Bev - it is extremely important to patch things up immediately  Rockerdem   Dec-02-04 12:14 PM   #34 
     - Thanks for posting Bev! Daaaaamn. I missed Olbermann last night  in_cog_ni_to   Dec-02-04 01:28 PM   #69 
  - I'm trying to figure it out.  Killarney   Dec-02-04 11:20 AM   #2 
  - I can't see a misunderstanding like this  AmerDem   Dec-02-04 11:32 AM   #6 
  - last response  BevHarris   Dec-02-04 11:51 AM   #21 
  - Thanks Bev  Lone_Star_Dem   Dec-02-04 12:02 PM   #31 
  - Olbermann:  rman   Dec-02-04 11:55 AM   #25 
     - Oh for Christ's sake.  Killarney   Dec-02-04 11:56 AM   #27 
        - whatever stories he does, it hasn't had much effect.  rman   Dec-02-04 12:03 PM   #32 
  - this is a modified version of my post on another thread  stellanoir   Dec-02-04 11:20 AM   #3 
  - I'm not in any way taking sides or  AmerDem   Dec-02-04 11:37 AM   #9 
  - response  BevHarris   Dec-02-04 11:41 AM   #13 
  - Just because  Village Idiot   Dec-02-04 11:46 AM   #16 
     - also true  Snivi Yllom   Dec-02-04 11:51 AM   #20 
  - Chuckles ...  Trajan   Dec-02-04 11:20 AM   #4 
  - Well, fighting about it sure is one way to bring the issue to light  GreenPartyVoter   Dec-02-04 11:22 AM   #5 
  - one thing to note  Snivi Yllom   Dec-02-04 11:35 AM   #7 
  - in what way?  AmerDem   Dec-02-04 11:39 AM   #10 
  - What exactly was changed?  Walt Starr   Dec-02-04 11:41 AM   #12 
  - the edits are up now  Snivi Yllom   Dec-02-04 11:42 AM   #14 
  - Thanks for showing the edits  Walt Starr   Dec-02-04 11:45 AM   #15 
  - dunno what to make of them  Snivi Yllom   Dec-02-04 11:50 AM   #19 
     - Maybe Olberman should stick another post on his blog  Walt Starr   Dec-02-04 11:52 AM   #23 
     - KO pretty much is already stating this on his blog  Snivi Yllom   Dec-02-04 11:54 AM   #24 
     - Yes, it's pretty evident there between the lines  Walt Starr   Dec-02-04 11:56 AM   #26 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-04 12:26 PM   #37 
        - I'm not a fool  Walt Starr   Dec-02-04 12:48 PM   #47 
     - This is SOP for Bev  plan9_pub   Dec-02-04 01:21 PM   #64 
        - sort of like changing the results of say, voting?  Snivi Yllom   Dec-02-04 01:24 PM   #67 
           - There was an irony there  plan9_pub   Dec-02-04 01:30 PM   #70 
  - Could the change...  noel711   Dec-02-04 11:52 AM   #22 
  - I did the edits, and even I don't see what facts were changed  BevHarris   Dec-02-04 11:59 AM   #30 
     - legal language is very precise  Snivi Yllom   Dec-02-04 12:28 PM   #39 
        - You seem to be confusing a web site update with a legal pleading  BevHarris   Dec-02-04 12:36 PM   #41 
           - So under that logic  Walt Starr   Dec-02-04 12:38 PM   #42 
           - and under your logic  AmerDem   Dec-02-04 12:46 PM   #46 
              - Olberman's credibility is superior to Harris'  Walt Starr   Dec-02-04 12:49 PM   #49 
                 - oh please  AmerDem   Dec-02-04 12:53 PM   #55 
                    - Um, let's see  Walt Starr   Dec-02-04 12:57 PM   #57 
                       - I'm glad you hold such faith  AmerDem   Dec-02-04 01:01 PM   #59 
                          - they have more credibility than a web site owner  Walt Starr   Dec-02-04 01:02 PM   #60 
                             - website owner?  AmerDem   Dec-02-04 01:12 PM   #61 
                                - She hasn't exposed a thing!  Walt Starr   Dec-02-04 01:15 PM   #62 
                                   - I guess you missed  AmerDem   Dec-02-04 01:20 PM   #63 
                                      - That proved not a single thing  Walt Starr   Dec-02-04 01:23 PM   #65 
                                         - well you know what?  AmerDem   Dec-02-04 01:44 PM   #74 
           - in your edited statement you claim to have shown the tape to CNN  Snivi Yllom   Dec-02-04 12:44 PM   #44 
              - We showed the Volusia County POLL TAPES to CNN  BevHarris   Dec-02-04 12:52 PM   #51 
              - Pretty stark contradiction there  Walt Starr   Dec-02-04 12:53 PM   #54 
                 - Where's the contradiction?  in_cog_ni_to   Dec-02-04 01:50 PM   #78 
  - dearest Bev  uncle ray   Dec-02-04 12:21 PM   #35 
  - are you for real?  AmerDem   Dec-02-04 12:27 PM   #38 
  - Harris has declined to respond to our inquiries  rawstory   Dec-02-04 12:25 PM   #36 
  - I know for a fact you follow up with sources and will personally call  Walt Starr   Dec-02-04 12:40 PM   #43 
  - Yes. We were receiving 1,000 emails an hour and 800 calls a day  BevHarris   Dec-02-04 12:45 PM   #45 
     - Let me know with your next breakthrough  rawstory   Dec-02-04 01:24 PM   #66 
     - Bev Please Explain  Wiley50   Dec-02-04 01:46 PM   #75 
  - A common complaint from members of the media  plan9_pub   Dec-02-04 01:27 PM   #68 
  - It's pretty clear now that:  Rockerdem   Dec-02-04 12:35 PM   #40 
  - in her own statement she said she showed it to CNN. Why not MSNBC?  Snivi Yllom   Dec-02-04 12:49 PM   #48 
  - Maybe CNN was promised an exclusive.  Rockerdem   Dec-02-04 12:53 PM   #53 
  - Um, this is getting ridiculous  BevHarris   Dec-02-04 12:50 PM   #50 
  - Sorry, Bev  Rockerdem   Dec-02-04 12:55 PM   #56 
  - Wow - Don't give up on us yet!  Proud_Lefty   Dec-02-04 01:48 PM   #76 
  - Excellent analysis.  Shakespeare   Dec-02-04 12:58 PM   #58 
  - Olbermann Video Clip  Coltrane   Dec-02-04 12:52 PM   #52 
  - What would Michael Moore do???  meisje   Dec-02-04 01:37 PM   #71 
  - who's releasing any video for money?  AmerDem   Dec-02-04 01:49 PM   #77 
  - We Want The Truth...  WHAT   Dec-02-04 01:41 PM   #72 
  - I have seen telling signs that Olberman  PATRICK   Dec-02-04 01:42 PM   #73 
  - That's right - a discussion, not a yelling match  cry baby   Dec-02-04 01:52 PM   #79 
  - I'm locking this please discuss here  Moderator   Dec-02-04 01:53 PM   #80 
 

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