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216. Young doc to be, the malpractice INSURANCE crisis
is not the lawyers fault, it is the fault of the insurance companies and the medical profession. Insurance companies invest their monies and when the stock market started to have problems, so did the insurance companies. In order to maintain their profits, they increased the rates. It is really rather simple. Insurance companies have done this for years, in to all sorts of professions that require insurance (contractors, transportation companies, home owners and even lawyers).

The medical community does not properly regulate and discipline its own. Complaints made against doctors are rarely acted upon, and if they are, it rarely results in suspension or revocation of licenses.
Doctors cover their fellow doctors arses, as do hospitals.

Also, keep in mind, medical malpractice insurance is a business expense which can be claimed at tax time, thus the doctors pay less taxes and are able to see more money in the pockets of their white coats. And, I hate to be blunt, but why is it that doctors feel they are entitled to drive fancy cars and live in fine, expensive houses? Yes, the went to college longer than most and they have to do their intership and residencies, but so. There are thousands of folks who put in as much hard work and time in the "real world" who will never be able to live at the standard doctors feel they are entitled to. What ever happened to the practice of medicine for the purposes of helping people and not for the sake of living well above the middle class?

I don't get it, please explain it to me. I have to pay car insurance and health insurance out of my salary and those are not tax right offs, they are a must (well, sadly now health insurance is a luxuary, a lot of folks can't afford it). Those premiums are huge chunks out of my salary - I do without luxuries and necessities to pay those. I

Get the message right and not what the medical profession and insurance companies want you to believe - INSURANCE RATES are as a result of insurance companies wanting to continue to make profits. If you don't believe me, go look and see which industry in our lovely land has continually shown a profit over the last 30 years.

As to the OB/Gyn having to deal with an "18 year statute of limitations" - the minor has the right to bring suit once he/she reaches legal age if the doctors negligence caused that child harm. You would have no problem with this if it was your child with ceberal palsy caused by the negligence of the doctor and your child sued in the hopes of being able to obtain some money that will help him/her deal with his handicaps during his/her adult life. Try to put yourself in the shoes of those nasty plaintiffs. Then try to learn all of the facts. When you have time, I will gladly explain to you the expenses that those nasty trial lawyers foot to pursue the litigation. They can be astronomical and they do it out of pocket, they only recover if the plaintiff recovers.

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  -Just got my first lecture on malpractice in med school... NNguyenMD  Dec-01-04 08:59 PM   #0 
  - I agree with you  sir_captain   Dec-01-04 09:03 PM   #1 
  - Sure.  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Dec-01-04 09:03 PM   #2 
  - My Mom Was ALMOST Killed  iamjoy   Dec-01-04 09:30 PM   #14 
     - Effectively my wife was killed by malpractice,  Throckmorton   Dec-02-04 08:49 AM   #49 
        - my sisters colon cancer did too..  RUDUing2   Dec-02-04 08:54 AM   #52 
           - that's horrible. I'm so sorry.  elehhhhna   Dec-02-04 12:12 PM   #100 
           - So typical.  Throckmorton   Dec-02-04 02:12 PM   #154 
              - lawyer told my sister she doesn't have a case cause  RUDUing2   Dec-02-04 03:02 PM   #156 
  - As soon as we have 100% coverage fine.  JanMichael   Dec-01-04 09:04 PM   #3 
  - YES -- this is the issue  SmokingJacket   Dec-02-04 09:03 AM   #54 
     - in cases of incompetant health coverage, we should be suing the insurers.  politicat   Dec-02-04 09:37 PM   #228 
  - true - but "massive number of settlements" reason for cost is a lie  papau   Dec-01-04 09:05 PM   #4 
  - Physicians Insurers Association of America 2003  NNguyenMD   Dec-01-04 09:13 PM   #6 
  - All true - and mostly unchanged as to $'s over the years - yet the  papau   Dec-01-04 09:29 PM   #13 
  - Yes, but  texastoast   Dec-01-04 10:02 PM   #25 
  - true - and a waiver seems reasonable - as well as self insurance  papau   Dec-02-04 10:31 AM   #59 
  - Insurance in this county....  sendero   Dec-02-04 06:35 PM   #195 
  - Go check out the GOA's report that came out last year  merh   Dec-02-04 08:48 PM   #219 
  - Exactly. Been that way for a long time.  Somawas   Dec-01-04 09:31 PM   #15 
  - You're only in Med School and already you did a malpractice and  signmike   Dec-01-04 09:12 PM   #5 
  - I'm sure most of the learning will come from having to fill out all the  NNguyenMD   Dec-01-04 09:14 PM   #7 
     - See what I mean?  sir_captain   Dec-01-04 09:27 PM   #11 
        - I hear ya brother, but I do appreciate the support though =)  NNguyenMD   Dec-01-04 09:31 PM   #16 
  - Reform Is Needed On Both Sides  iamjoy   Dec-01-04 09:14 PM   #8 
  - I think you make a good point about accountability and there is  NNguyenMD   Dec-01-04 09:21 PM   #9 
  - Easy For The Educated  iamjoy   Dec-01-04 09:41 PM   #22 
  - Pubic has payouts/doc for 1990-2003.... 83% of docs had none  gbwarming   Dec-01-04 09:59 PM   #24 
  - Not only yank the offending physician's license, but make  Skidmore   Dec-02-04 08:38 AM   #47 
  - Let me comment on your fourth point  RuleofLaw   Dec-02-04 08:42 AM   #48 
  - Any Cap Shouldn't Apply To Expenses  iamjoy   Dec-02-04 02:15 PM   #155 
  - You're right - there have been studies about bedside manner  Patiod   Dec-02-04 12:05 PM   #97 
  - 6x2=12  YNGW   Dec-01-04 09:23 PM   #10 
  - I think Oregon has actually adopted something similar for economical  NNguyenMD   Dec-01-04 09:29 PM   #12 
  - true and true - but not related.since economical punitive damages  papau   Dec-01-04 09:32 PM   #18 
  - I don't think that it's paid with tax money, just insurance premiums...  Hippo_Tron   Dec-01-04 10:59 PM   #38 
  - Would truth trump a Republican president.  Festivito   Dec-01-04 09:31 PM   #17 
  - Just wondering.......  mom-mad-about-bush   Dec-01-04 09:34 PM   #19 
  - Uhm . . . No  gratuitous   Dec-01-04 09:37 PM   #20 
  - And docs aren't so bad  texastoast   Dec-01-04 10:11 PM   #27 
  - You know what would stop this stuff?  onecitizen   Dec-01-04 09:38 PM   #21 
  - But see, the religious leaders tell their congregations...  Hippo_Tron   Dec-01-04 10:51 PM   #34 
  - I couldn't agree with you more...  OhioChick   Dec-01-04 10:52 PM   #36 
  - 18 years makes sense...  RPM   Dec-01-04 09:52 PM   #23 
  - The 18 year SOL is necessary.  Kitka   Dec-01-04 10:07 PM   #26 
  - but the extended length is one of hte major reasons why OB/GYNs  NNguyenMD   Dec-01-04 10:34 PM   #29 
  - ahhhhh, the price of professionalism.  RPM   Dec-01-04 10:46 PM   #33 
  - I might take you up on that beer sometime. Here's to starving students!  NNguyenMD   Dec-01-04 11:07 PM   #40 
     - heres to starving students...  RPM   Dec-01-04 11:22 PM   #41 
  - Of course thats how you see it from your POV, but keep in mind  Kitka   Dec-02-04 08:49 AM   #50 
  - You said it ! If you're in Cook County the jurors are Lotto Balls! $$$$$  elehhhhna   Dec-02-04 12:20 PM   #105 
  - Insurance companies rip off everyone with money. Drs are a big target.  AP   Dec-01-04 10:19 PM   #28 
  - Wow. We shoudl start a Best Practices Party and adopt these laws!  elehhhhna   Dec-02-04 12:22 PM   #106 
  - Keep in mind that your lecture on malpractice ins. came from a physician.  Maddy McCall   Dec-01-04 10:37 PM   #30 
  - came from a professor who heads our Bioethic course, who is a practicing  NNguyenMD   Dec-01-04 10:43 PM   #31 
  - What do they call the person who graduates dead last from medical school?  central scrutinizer   Dec-02-04 11:06 AM   #64 
  - ever try to apply to medical school?  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 11:57 AM   #94 
     - no, all of my degrees are in mathematics  central scrutinizer   Dec-02-04 12:54 PM   #133 
  - Physicians hate DOCTORS? What are you smoking?  politicat   Dec-02-04 09:51 PM   #229 
     - Maddy obviously meant to say LAWYERS, not doctors.  republicansareevil   Dec-02-04 10:17 PM   #233 
  - Did you know that a small percentage of the doctors cause most  SharonAnn   Dec-01-04 10:46 PM   #32 
  - Doctors and allied fields also cover for one another  atre   Dec-02-04 02:19 AM   #42 
  - Malpractice Lawyers didn't cause my daughter's brain damage  kayleybeth   Dec-01-04 10:51 PM   #35 
  - very true  deek   Dec-02-04 11:41 AM   #83 
  - I'm going to recant some of my previous statements b/c  NNguyenMD   Dec-01-04 10:56 PM   #37 
  - Another data point to ponder  charlie   Dec-01-04 11:02 PM   #39 
  - THANK YOU!  elehhhhna   Dec-02-04 12:25 PM   #107 
  - Insurance companies talk out of both sides of their mouths  eridani   Dec-03-04 01:14 AM   #241 
  - This post deserves respect and congratulation  dpibel   Dec-02-04 04:45 PM   #181 
  - Next lecture you can bring up ethics in medicine and Frist the Cat Killer  Swamp Rat   Dec-02-04 02:22 AM   #43 
  - If you think med schools trash lawyers, ask a pharmacist about your field  atre   Dec-02-04 02:33 AM   #44 
  - 18 years is short  Sgent   Dec-02-04 08:08 AM   #45 
     - That's what the repukes tell us  sangh0   Dec-02-04 11:13 AM   #65 
        - well then why don't you address the issue of  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 11:31 AM   #75 
           - HAHAHAHA!!!  sangh0   Dec-02-04 11:33 AM   #78 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-04 11:45 AM   #86 
                 - YOU made claims about settlements, but wont' defend them  sangh0   Dec-02-04 11:48 AM   #88 
                    - And you link is a JOKE  sangh0   Dec-02-04 11:51 AM   #91 
  - You teacher is full of repuke propoganda  sangh0   Dec-02-04 08:30 AM   #46 
  - nope, doesn't bother me at all.  RUDUing2   Dec-02-04 08:51 AM   #51 
  - I Don't Know Enough  Sgent   Dec-02-04 09:01 AM   #53 
     - So, what's your background?  Bridget Burke   Dec-02-04 09:13 AM   #55 
     - that is the point though...that this belief that frivolous medical  RUDUing2   Dec-02-04 09:14 AM   #56 
  - Disagree with many things here...  ret5hd   Dec-02-04 09:24 AM   #57 
  - There are a number of factors driving up the cost of malpractice insurance  MadHound   Dec-02-04 09:35 AM   #58 
  - very informative but...  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 11:19 AM   #66 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-04 11:27 AM   #71 
     - LOL friend, I'm not accusing either you or your prof of being a 'Pug OK  MadHound   Dec-02-04 12:06 PM   #98 
        - now that is a response that I appreciate greatly. Thanks =)  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:12 PM   #101 
           - You're welcome. And stock up on sleep now,  MadHound   Dec-02-04 12:20 PM   #104 
           - Still have NO EVIDENCE to post?  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:30 PM   #109 
              - lets see some evidence countering what I've said then.  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:37 PM   #113 
                 - You're backpedaling now  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:40 PM   #117 
                    - I hope you realize that you've got nothing to say about this whole issue  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:47 PM   #123 
                       - I hope you realize the same about yourself  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:51 PM   #128 
                          - you know how to cut and paste, very nice...  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:53 PM   #131 
                             - Still afraid to respond with evidence  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:56 PM   #134 
                                - this is exhuasting...look I cited several source justifying whatever it  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:59 PM   #136 
                                   - You said rates increased due to settlements  sangh0   Dec-02-04 01:02 PM   #140 
  - Actually its the INSURANCE COMPANIES who are pocketing the money  LSdemocrat   Dec-02-04 10:39 AM   #60 
  - Read John Edwards' "Four Trials" n/t  Catchawave   Dec-02-04 10:44 AM   #61 
  - Yes, make the attorneys pay for frivolous lawsuits.  Jose Diablo   Dec-02-04 10:46 AM   #62 
  - There would not be so many malpractice suits if there were not so  GumboYaYa   Dec-02-04 10:52 AM   #63 
  - Ever tried  Sgent   Dec-02-04 11:21 AM   #68 
  - More repuke lies  sangh0   Dec-02-04 11:29 AM   #72 
  - He's trying to explain how a cap on damage awards won't  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 11:36 AM   #80 
  - Please don't use right-wing astro-turf sites to support your argument  sangh0   Dec-02-04 11:39 AM   #82 
     - correct me if I heard you wrong but...  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 11:50 AM   #89 
        - I know who funds them  sangh0   Dec-02-04 11:51 AM   #92 
           - yeah but you ever read what htey have to say about health care issues?  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:16 PM   #102 
           - Still NO EVIDENCE from you?  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:34 PM   #111 
              - lets see some counter evidence then, you've called me a liar so show me  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:38 PM   #114 
                 - So you WON'T provide ANY EVIDENCE?  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:42 PM   #118 
                    - yup...still nothing meaningful or interesting from you yet.  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:48 PM   #125 
                       - Still NO EVIDENCE?  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:53 PM   #130 
                       - still no point to this discussion with you...  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:59 PM   #138 
                          - What "discussion"???  sangh0   Dec-02-04 03:48 PM   #158 
                             - a woman here earlier made some statement that  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 03:54 PM   #162 
                                - What a cowardly response  sangh0   Dec-02-04 04:05 PM   #166 
                                   - if you're can't refute it then you're too lazy and have nothing to add to  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 04:08 PM   #168 
                                   - I bet even you could do better than that  sangh0   Dec-02-04 04:25 PM   #175 
                                   - the only thing that I have repeated is the assertion that  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 04:19 PM   #174 
                       - So you continue to refuse to post EVIDENCE?  sangh0   Dec-02-04 01:06 PM   #143 
                          - I gave you evidence, but you've not happy with it  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 01:14 PM   #151 
                             - That is not true  sangh0   Dec-02-04 03:49 PM   #159 
           - Prove it. Show the me the money trail.  politicat   Dec-02-04 10:12 PM   #232 
  - Response  Sgent   Dec-02-04 06:18 PM   #192 
     - Thanks Sgent  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 06:21 PM   #193 
  - Attorneys are regularly disciplined and even disbarred for bad  GumboYaYa   Dec-02-04 11:30 AM   #73 
     - And that's why those who repeat repuke lies  sangh0   Dec-02-04 11:31 AM   #76 
  - if you believe that it were only bad doctors who got sued then...  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 11:25 AM   #69 
     - WHen will you defend your claims with proof?  sangh0   Dec-02-04 11:45 AM   #85 
  - Lawyers are the most moral people in America. They only  ArkDem   Dec-02-04 11:19 AM   #67 
  - you're kidding me right?  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 11:27 AM   #70 
     - You are being very hypocritical  sangh0   Dec-02-04 11:30 AM   #74 
     - lets hear what you have to say about this issue. What are your ideas and  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 11:32 AM   #77 
        - The 1st rule for debating freepers is MAKE THEM PROVE IT!!!  sangh0   Dec-02-04 11:35 AM   #79 
           - now you're the one repeating the same argument. Why  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 11:38 AM   #81 
              - So you won't defend your ridiculous assertions?  sangh0   Dec-02-04 11:41 AM   #84 
                 - ok, so which one of my claims do you take issue with?  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 11:46 AM   #87 
                    - All of them  sangh0   Dec-02-04 11:50 AM   #90 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-04 11:53 AM   #93 
                       - defensive medicine, one example here  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:01 PM   #95 
                       - Still no evidence from you  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:35 PM   #112 
                          - you've called me a liar, and tried to debunk what I've said with  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:39 PM   #116 
                             - So you're sticking with the dishonest argument  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:47 PM   #124 
                                - enjoy doing it then...  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:49 PM   #126 
                                   - You're repeating the repuke arguments  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:53 PM   #132 
                                      - repuke arguments? Repeated?  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 04:02 PM   #165 
                                         - Yes, you repeated repuke arguments  sangh0   Dec-02-04 04:07 PM   #167 
                                            - so let me get this straight...  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 04:10 PM   #171 
                                               - Very poor  sangh0   Dec-02-04 04:26 PM   #176 
                                               - READ MY POSTS!!!!  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 06:06 PM   #188 
                                               - Dont get sucked in by this poster  Forkboy   Dec-02-04 07:51 PM   #210 
                                               - yeah you can tell I'm new to this  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 07:59 PM   #213 
                       - litigation costs between a decade ago and now  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:29 PM   #108 
                       - An AMA website - they also support partial birth abortion bans  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:44 PM   #119 
                          - yeah thats great except I cited consumer watchdog, not AMA  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:52 PM   #129 
                             - You posted a link to org that is run by the AMA  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:57 PM   #135 
                                - are you talking about or what?  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 01:05 PM   #141 
                                   - no, your consumerwatchdog link was irrelevant  sangh0   Dec-02-04 01:07 PM   #144 
                                      - look I said it costs money. I even said in an earlier post  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 01:10 PM   #149 
                                         - You said the rising rates were caused by settlements  sangh0   Dec-02-04 03:51 PM   #160 
                                            - a problem with what? Insurance is expensive! Right? Do you need a  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 03:56 PM   #163 
                                               - "Regulation is the solution"???  sangh0   Dec-02-04 04:09 PM   #169 
                                               - yeah sure, look at California's malpractice premium rates after  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 04:17 PM   #173 
                                               - You're getting incoherent  sangh0   Dec-02-04 04:29 PM   #177 
                                               - you asked what I meant as regulation as the solution...  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 06:01 PM   #185 
                       - look 'em up read them all to your heart's desire, and enjoy!  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:32 PM   #110 
                          - Your evidence is irrelevant  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:39 PM   #115 
                             - I wrote earlier in a previous post that...  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:46 PM   #122 
                                - You said that malpractice ins. rates were rising due to settlements  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:59 PM   #137 
                                   - for CHRIST sakes!  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 01:01 PM   #139 
                                      - ANOTHER INSURANCE PAC link??  sangh0   Dec-02-04 01:05 PM   #142 
                                         - give me a detailed rebuttal of how the methodology  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 03:39 PM   #157 
                                            - Cowardly argument  sangh0   Dec-02-04 04:09 PM   #170 
                                               - if you can't prove me wrong, then you must accept it as truth b/c you're  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 04:11 PM   #172 
                                                  - And you're going to be a doctor??  sangh0   Dec-02-04 04:30 PM   #178 
                                                  - nice attack, thanks for officially lowering the bar of decency on here  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 05:59 PM   #184 
                                                  - Deleted message  Name removed   Dec-02-04 06:08 PM   #189 
     - Stating the 'official' DU position.  ArkDem   Dec-02-04 12:45 PM   #120 
  - claims and settlement costs  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:04 PM   #96 
  - So now you're citing Medical INSURANCE PAC's??  sangh0   Dec-02-04 12:45 PM   #121 
     - where else are you going to get the data on how much they pay out?  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 12:51 PM   #127 
     - I guess you never heard of INDEPENDENT STUDIES??  sangh0   Dec-02-04 01:09 PM   #147 
        - you tell me why its so outrageous and impossible to conceive that it  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 01:16 PM   #152 
           - So now you're issuing orders?  sangh0   Dec-02-04 03:52 PM   #161 
              - then back it up, in YOUR words. Lets see if you've even read what you dug  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 03:58 PM   #164 
                 - YOU said rising rates were caused by settlements  sangh0   Dec-02-04 04:32 PM   #180 
                    - then you must be an expert, let hear you sum it all up right here  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 06:02 PM   #186 
                    - You really have no clue what anyone here is talking about do you?  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 06:10 PM   #190 
     - so where would massa like ta see this data come from?  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 01:08 PM   #145 
        - How about an unbiased source?  sangh0   Dec-02-04 01:10 PM   #148 
           - well find me an unbaised source that suits you and  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 01:12 PM   #150 
  - 10 years ago it was 40K to settle suits against OB's & techs who  elehhhhna   Dec-02-04 12:09 PM   #99 
  - Also, it's untrue that the only ones that win "no matter the outcome" are  Kitka   Dec-02-04 12:19 PM   #103 
  - Lawyers do get paid no matter the outcome  Outrider   Dec-02-04 07:40 PM   #208 
     - Yes, but it's obvious defense lawyers weren't the group the OP was  Kitka   Dec-02-04 09:18 PM   #225 
  - Not going to flame you, just some disagreements  AngryAmish   Dec-02-04 01:08 PM   #146 
  - Doctors leaving  Outrider   Dec-02-04 07:05 PM   #201 
  - OBs in the US do not practice  gaia_gardener   Dec-02-04 01:38 PM   #153 
  - "Loser pays" anyone?  DS1   Dec-02-04 04:31 PM   #179 
  - Never  Outrider   Dec-02-04 06:46 PM   #198 
  - NNguyenMD, here is an interesting  samtob   Dec-02-04 05:28 PM   #182 
  - How about price caps on lawyer salaries?  Endangered Specie   Dec-02-04 05:29 PM   #183 
  - See my above post  Sgent   Dec-02-04 06:28 PM   #194 
  - For many lawyers there is  AngryAmish   Dec-03-04 06:55 AM   #243 
  - I'd like to shed a different light on the thinking here  Book Lover   Dec-02-04 06:06 PM   #187 
  - I couldn't agree with you more  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 06:14 PM   #191 
  - Blaming lawyers is  Cattledog   Dec-02-04 06:41 PM   #196 
  - On a slightly tangential note...  sendero   Dec-02-04 06:43 PM   #197 
  - One way to fix the problem  Outrider   Dec-02-04 06:59 PM   #199 
  - the california example is an excellent point  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 07:05 PM   #200 
     - One problem  Outrider   Dec-02-04 07:11 PM   #202 
        - yeah I know what you mean, kind of when the conservatives tried to  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 07:13 PM   #203 
  - Doesn't bother me one bit.  frustrated_lefty   Dec-02-04 07:18 PM   #204 
  - you certainly do seem to be frustrated  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 07:27 PM   #205 
  - For the record  frustrated_lefty   Dec-02-04 07:40 PM   #207 
  - could be vwf syndrome. If you're a health care professional ask your  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 07:48 PM   #209 
     - To be fair,  frustrated_lefty   Dec-03-04 04:08 AM   #242 
  - Stop leaving instruments inside of patients  Forkboy   Dec-02-04 07:53 PM   #211 
     - Its actually the OR nurse who is responsible for  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 07:57 PM   #212 
        - He's responsible  Outrider   Dec-02-04 08:22 PM   #215 
           - really now? So do you think its ok to leave the nurse who screwed up  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 08:39 PM   #217 
              - Yes but,  Outrider   Dec-02-04 08:52 PM   #220 
                 - fair enough, but practically speaking its a job nurses are responsible for  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 08:57 PM   #221 
                    - Truth be told  Outrider   Dec-02-04 09:01 PM   #222 
                       - well then now thats something that I think I could drink to  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 09:02 PM   #223 
  - Bravo! n/t  OhioChick   Dec-02-04 07:27 PM   #206 
  - Do you know why they are now saying settlements.  Outrider   Dec-02-04 08:06 PM   #214 
  - Young doc to be, the malpractice INSURANCE crisis  merh   Dec-02-04 08:36 PM   #216 
  - this might shock you but...  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 08:46 PM   #218 
     - It is not a business loss, it is a business right off and thus  merh   Dec-02-04 09:16 PM   #224 
     - There are physician run mal-practice insurance companies and they're  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 09:36 PM   #227 
        - You are so wrong about the testimony and proof required  merh   Dec-02-04 10:03 PM   #230 
           - ok, sure  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 10:08 PM   #231 
     - How hypocritical  sangh0   Dec-02-04 09:21 PM   #226 
  - Even though my dad died because of an incompetent physician,  Princess Turandot   Dec-02-04 10:40 PM   #234 
  - they are much appreciated.  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 10:51 PM   #235 
  - From one doctor to another...  drbtg1   Dec-02-04 11:17 PM   #236 
  - haha thats great advice, thanks Dr. btg1  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 11:29 PM   #238 
  - My father was killed by malpractice.  Ladyhawk   Dec-02-04 11:27 PM   #237 
  - I really don't know what to say...I'm very sorry about your father.  NNguyenMD   Dec-02-04 11:36 PM   #239 
  - We had the "tort reform" discussion on the old Kerry site  proudbluestater   Dec-03-04 01:11 AM   #240 
     - are you talking about how much goes to awards and settlements?  NNguyenMD   Dec-03-04 07:33 AM   #244 

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