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200. Pitt
You are becoming shrill. A man of your talents and capabilities shouldn't waste them on this bitter complaint.

As if you didn't have your own reasons to want what you want.

So, did Kerry ever get back to you about that interview--or was only Dean willing to stoop to our level?

Climb out of that hole you recently have slipped into.
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  -The "I Want" Syndrome and Election '04 WilliamPitt  Sep-04-03 03:57 PM   #0 
  - So, you're telling us that you want  gratuitous   Sep-04-03 04:05 PM   #1 
  - Yup  MuseRider   Sep-04-03 04:06 PM   #2 
  - and how do you define "greater good"?  GreenArrow   Sep-04-03 04:31 PM   #33 
  - The greater good  WilliamPitt   Sep-04-03 04:34 PM   #35 
  - "greater good is whomever stands against what is happening now"  GreenArrow   Sep-04-03 04:48 PM   #46 
  - That's why we don't have a 1-party system (in theory at least)  dbaker41   Sep-04-03 05:02 PM   #53 
  - What if....  HFishbine   Sep-04-03 05:00 PM   #52 
  - Disagree Here  RobinA   Sep-04-03 09:05 PM   #132 
  - cooperation comes from "we" thinking;  nannah   Sep-05-03 12:04 AM   #165 
  - Well, we all feel differently  MuseRider   Sep-04-03 04:35 PM   #36 
     - that's a fair and honest answer  GreenArrow   Sep-04-03 04:58 PM   #51 
        - I used to think so  MuseRider   Sep-04-03 05:10 PM   #58 
        - I Don't Think  RobinA   Sep-04-03 09:10 PM   #134 
           - You have just described my position  Walt Starr   Sep-05-03 08:28 AM   #192 
  - We discussed this at the Dean Meetup last Wed.  Why   Sep-05-03 09:02 AM   #198 
  - "I want"  Semi_subversive   Sep-04-03 04:08 PM   #3 
  - while it is annoying at times  terryg11   Sep-04-03 04:08 PM   #4 
  - I don't think so  sangh0   Sep-04-03 04:15 PM   #14 
     - not that it matters, but you are trying to put words in my mouth  terryg11   Sep-04-03 04:27 PM   #27 
  - I want a party worth voting for!  Terwilliger   Sep-04-03 04:09 PM   #5 
  - so...vote green  bearfartinthewoods   Sep-04-03 05:02 PM   #55 
     - Do you promise not to piss and moan if he does vote Green?  JVS   Sep-04-03 05:12 PM   #59 
     - look at what he said....he wants a party worth voting for  bearfartinthewoods   Sep-04-03 05:40 PM   #80 
        - Then I suggest that you not tell people to go vote Green  JVS   Sep-04-03 06:06 PM   #106 
           - i gave him a choice  bearfartinthewoods   Sep-04-03 06:26 PM   #117 
              - oh THANK YOU  Terwilliger   Sep-04-03 08:18 PM   #131 
     - you do realize you're saying Greens are worth voting for  Terwilliger   Sep-05-03 09:24 AM   #202 
  - I see your point and agree with it on some level but  brigadoon   Sep-04-03 04:09 PM   #6 
  - Exactly Will!  wrkclskid   Sep-04-03 04:10 PM   #7 
  - great post Will  stoptheinsandity   Sep-04-03 04:11 PM   #8 
  - Actually, if someone called me a snoflake  _Wayne_   Sep-04-03 04:12 PM   #9 
  - I've been saying the same thing. You just said it better.  Kahuna   Sep-04-03 04:12 PM   #10 
  - Well Said!  Don_G   Sep-04-03 04:13 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 04:13 PM   #12 
  - this is a nation of individuals who should be willing to make some  stoptheinsandity   Sep-04-03 04:15 PM   #13 
  - Beautifully said.  Kahuna   Sep-04-03 04:16 PM   #15 
  - Very, very constructive... as his mother, I'm telling you  Raven   Sep-04-03 05:03 PM   #56 
     - It seems like  MuseRider   Sep-04-03 05:14 PM   #62 
  - "Nobody gives a damn what you want."  JVS   Sep-04-03 04:18 PM   #16 
  - Actually, it is  WilliamPitt   Sep-04-03 04:20 PM   #18 
  - I see what you mean  JohnKleeb   Sep-04-03 04:22 PM   #21 
  - Telling people that their desires are unimportant is a bad move  JVS   Sep-04-03 04:25 PM   #26 
  - You know, Will  Eloriel   Sep-04-03 04:38 PM   #37 
     - Thanks, Eloriel...  Q   Sep-04-03 06:31 PM   #121 
     - I Think  RobinA   Sep-04-03 09:19 PM   #137 
  - IMO, you completely missed the thrust of Will's thread  stoptheinsandity   Sep-04-03 04:22 PM   #20 
     - The only way to use we is to assume that you speak for many  JVS   Sep-04-03 04:31 PM   #32 
        - Do you really believe that?  MuseRider   Sep-04-03 05:33 PM   #75 
           - I believe what I posted  JVS   Sep-04-03 05:42 PM   #81 
              - I said that those  MuseRider   Sep-04-03 05:45 PM   #86 
                 - Ok  JVS   Sep-04-03 06:11 PM   #112 
  - I want a candidate that understands politics is a contact sport.  marshmellow   Sep-04-03 04:19 PM   #17 
  - That's pretty chilling  Eloriel   Sep-04-03 04:21 PM   #19 
  - Typical  sangh0   Sep-04-03 04:24 PM   #25 
  - Damn straight!  Northwind   Sep-04-03 04:27 PM   #29 
  - I'm with you Eloriel  JVS   Sep-04-03 04:38 PM   #39 
  - BRAVO!  Walt Starr   Sep-04-03 09:11 PM   #135 
  - unbelievable  imhotep   Sep-04-03 04:24 PM   #22 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 04:28 PM   #30 
  - Will, you can "we, we, we" all the way home  DemBones DemBones   Sep-04-03 04:24 PM   #23 
  - What Dembones Dembones said...  LibertyChick   Sep-04-03 05:58 PM   #100 
  - Goddamned that was well said, Sir William!  tom_paine   Sep-04-03 04:24 PM   #24 
  - Who are you, TP, to tell me what I SHOULD think??  dbaker41   Sep-04-03 05:18 PM   #66 
  - Take it easy, Bake. It's an opinion like any other.  tom_paine   Sep-04-03 06:00 PM   #101 
     - We ARE on the same side! That's what I'm trying to tell you!  dbaker41   Sep-04-03 10:02 PM   #152 
  - well said Will and tom_paine  leftofthedial   Sep-04-03 09:34 PM   #142 
     - I beg to differ, there are many options  Walt Starr   Sep-04-03 09:37 PM   #143 
        - we don't have decades  leftofthedial   Sep-04-03 09:40 PM   #145 
        - Fuck voting for Lapdog Democrats  Walt Starr   Sep-04-03 09:43 PM   #146 
        - How would you proceed with reform?  leftofthedial   Sep-04-03 09:54 PM   #149 
           - I'm talking about reforming the Democratic Party  Walt Starr   Sep-04-03 09:56 PM   #151 
              - we WAY agree  leftofthedial   Sep-04-03 10:19 PM   #156 
                 - I disagree completely  Walt Starr   Sep-05-03 08:31 AM   #193 
                    - Perhaps you could explain your statement about the damage  leftofthedial   Sep-05-03 10:13 AM   #207 
                       - The difference is short term vs. long term  Walt Starr   Sep-05-03 10:22 AM   #208 
        - The fact that we don't have decades is why we must put up a good candidate  JVS   Sep-04-03 09:49 PM   #148 
           - that's why I support Kucinich  leftofthedial   Sep-04-03 10:31 PM   #159 
              - I don't want "perfect"  Walt Starr   Sep-05-03 08:33 AM   #194 
        - of course there are options  leftofthedial   Sep-04-03 10:03 PM   #153 
           - It's not that black and white  Walt Starr   Sep-05-03 08:38 AM   #195 
  - Please spare me the lecture  ibegurpard   Sep-04-03 04:27 PM   #28 
  - well that was your first post I consider complete  Egnever   Sep-04-03 04:29 PM   #31 
  - Nice  WilliamPitt   Sep-04-03 04:32 PM   #34 
     - no, that little rant was sad  StandWatie   Sep-04-03 04:39 PM   #40 
     - Fell for what?  Egnever   Sep-04-03 04:46 PM   #43 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:38 PM   #78 
     - The Majority  RobinA   Sep-04-03 09:23 PM   #138 
  - Some DUers are not immune to selfishness  Alenne   Sep-04-03 04:38 PM   #38 
  - btw  bearfartinthewoods   Sep-04-03 04:44 PM   #41 
  - "Fuck what you want."  JVS   Sep-04-03 04:44 PM   #42 
  - i agree with you up until the last paragraph  disgruntella   Sep-04-03 04:46 PM   #44 
  - i don't get your issue with the use of the word we?  bearfartinthewoods   Sep-04-03 06:03 PM   #104 
     - here's the way i interpreted it  disgruntella   Sep-04-03 08:13 PM   #130 
  - Will I loved the book  Nicholas_J   Sep-04-03 04:47 PM   #45 
  - the personal attacks against Will are fucking disgusting  matcom   Sep-04-03 04:49 PM   #47 
  - Over the top  bicentennial_baby   Sep-04-03 04:53 PM   #48 
  - I didnt even know he had haters  JohnKleeb   Sep-04-03 05:20 PM   #68 
  - Hold up  Spentastic   Sep-05-03 04:16 AM   #188 
  - I'm not a snowflake?  ulysses   Sep-04-03 04:55 PM   #49 
  - "We" get to find out when"We" nominate some fool  Walt Starr   Sep-04-03 09:16 PM   #136 
  - Yes, you are a snowflake, Ulysses! Just like all the other special...  DemLikr   Sep-04-03 09:28 PM   #139 
  - We  HFishbine   Sep-04-03 04:57 PM   #50 
  - write him a letter  disgruntella   Sep-04-03 05:02 PM   #54 
     - Well Damn!  HFishbine   Sep-04-03 05:13 PM   #61 
  - I can understand the message...  robsul82   Sep-04-03 05:04 PM   #57 
  - Hahaha that's funny  Wetzelbill   Sep-04-03 06:23 PM   #114 
  - I respectfully disagree, Will  dbaker41   Sep-04-03 05:12 PM   #60 
  - I WANT bush&Co to fall in November 2004!!!  mlawson   Sep-04-03 05:15 PM   #63 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:16 PM   #64 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:19 PM   #67 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:24 PM   #70 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:26 PM   #72 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:27 PM   #73 
  - Actually  Nederland   Sep-04-03 05:17 PM   #65 
  - Hell, it's not even about what "We" want anymore...  KaraokeKarlton   Sep-04-03 05:21 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:25 PM   #71 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:33 PM   #76 
     - It isn't telling us how to vote per say.  JVS   Sep-04-03 05:38 PM   #77 
     - a DEMAND?  matcom   Sep-04-03 05:40 PM   #79 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:46 PM   #88 
        - What personal attacks? I didn't make any personal attacks.  JVS   Sep-04-03 05:55 PM   #98 
     - You have a problem with reading Pitt's post?  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 05:43 PM   #82 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:45 PM   #83 
        - Ok I see what this is about now.  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 05:47 PM   #89 
           - Exactly  chadm   Sep-04-03 05:47 PM   #90 
           - YOU can say what YOU please too  matcom   Sep-04-03 05:48 PM   #91 
              - All these attacks and you can't find any.  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 05:52 PM   #95 
                 - Technically those are not personal attacks  JVS   Sep-04-03 06:03 PM   #105 
                    - You can still isolate whole groups of people and single them out.  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 06:28 PM   #118 
                       - I agree completely  JVS   Sep-04-03 06:32 PM   #123 
        - You think I was talkinjg about Kerry?  WilliamPitt   Sep-04-03 05:46 PM   #87 
           - and who gets to define "ivory tower" and "greater good"  chadm   Sep-04-03 05:51 PM   #93 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:54 PM   #96 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 06:06 PM   #107 
                 - C'mon, I thought you were supposed to be the adult here.  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 06:23 PM   #115 
  - I AM WE  bpilgrim   Sep-04-03 05:33 PM   #74 
  - OMG, he has the audacity to fight rampant selfishness,  mistertrickster   Sep-04-03 05:45 PM   #84 
  - Well stated.  MuseRider   Sep-04-03 05:52 PM   #94 
  - I agree with the sentiment and the general philosophy  chadm   Sep-04-03 05:55 PM   #97 
     - Will was not talking about votes  steviet_2003   Sep-04-03 06:30 PM   #120 
        - You saw Will's post as  Eloriel   Sep-05-03 12:26 AM   #167 
  - Fallacious. Groups are composed of *individuals*.  poskonig   Sep-04-03 05:45 PM   #85 
  - Beautiful . . . that's what people brought up to believe that the  mistertrickster   Sep-04-03 05:57 PM   #99 
     - Liberalism is *not* a space-monkey philosophy.  poskonig   Sep-05-03 07:51 AM   #191 
  - ok. So this is sort of like praying.  Iris   Sep-04-03 05:49 PM   #92 
  - When you read this thread,  Raven   Sep-04-03 06:02 PM   #102 
  - When was America ever consistantly about "we"  LibertyChick   Sep-04-03 06:07 PM   #109 
  - Not at all.  Raven   Sep-04-03 06:17 PM   #113 
     - Okay, that all sounds really great.  ibegurpard   Sep-04-03 06:32 PM   #122 
     - Saying I cannot stand the messenger is hyperbolic, too.  LibertyChick   Sep-04-03 06:39 PM   #127 
        - If you keep walking around in that circle  Raven   Sep-04-03 07:05 PM   #129 
           - Well, Mom, you're not exactly an unbiased bystander  Eloriel   Sep-05-03 12:38 AM   #171 
  - Will's post was about we  Alenne   Sep-04-03 06:07 PM   #110 
  - The whole problem is who gets to define the "we"  dbaker41   Sep-04-03 09:56 PM   #150 
  - Come together...  kentuck   Sep-04-03 06:03 PM   #103 
  - over WE n/t  steviet_2003   Sep-04-03 06:35 PM   #126 
     - chuckle, chuckle :-)  oasis   Sep-04-03 10:29 PM   #157 
  - ?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-04-03 06:07 PM   #108 
  - Damn, Will...  Stuckinthebush   Sep-04-03 06:11 PM   #111 
  - "Fuck what you want."  Q   Sep-04-03 06:25 PM   #116 
     - Amen  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 06:29 PM   #119 
     - Yes  JVS   Sep-04-03 06:34 PM   #125 
     - Sorry that you have no "respect" for me  Stuckinthebush   Sep-05-03 09:10 AM   #199 
  - Looks like Mr. Pitt has pissed in all kinds of cheerios...  KaraokeKarlton   Sep-04-03 06:33 PM   #124 
  - Stick around a little while longer  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 06:48 PM   #128 
  - Oh yeah? Well fuck what you want!  Walt Starr   Sep-04-03 09:07 PM   #133 
  - the Democratic?  Terwilliger   Sep-04-03 09:32 PM   #140 
     - Sorry, left out the word "candidate"  Walt Starr   Sep-04-03 09:34 PM   #141 
  - Can't I all just get along...?  DemLikr   Sep-04-03 09:37 PM   #144 
  - We guess not.  JVS   Sep-04-03 09:45 PM   #147 
  - Heh  Northwind   Sep-04-03 10:18 PM   #155 
  - I TOTALLY AGREE, WILL  Must_B_Free   Sep-04-03 10:15 PM   #154 
  - How about getting that to the masses?  PATRICK   Sep-04-03 10:30 PM   #158 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 10:38 PM   #160 
  - predictable overreactions by the purists  Coffee Coyote   Sep-04-03 10:52 PM   #161 
  - So people who disagree are purists, huh?  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 11:16 PM   #162 
  - The only one mentioning Kerry  WilliamPitt   Sep-04-03 11:18 PM   #163 
  - He isn't the only one I've mentioned.  neuvocat   Sep-05-03 01:14 AM   #182 
  - say whut?  Coffee Coyote   Sep-04-03 11:27 PM   #164 
  - well, if that's what he meant, he really ought to have said  Eloriel   Sep-05-03 12:42 AM   #172 
     - No shit.  neuvocat   Sep-05-03 01:15 AM   #183 
  - Ideological masturbation melted my snowflake  Generic Other   Sep-05-03 12:12 AM   #166 
  - Ok, so let me get something straight  redeye   Sep-05-03 12:29 AM   #168 
  - No  WilliamPitt   Sep-05-03 12:31 AM   #169 
     - That is certainly a much better tone than "Fuck what you want"  JVS   Sep-05-03 12:44 AM   #174 
        - Sometimes I use a scalpel  WilliamPitt   Sep-05-03 12:47 AM   #175 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-03 12:51 AM   #177 
           - You keep up this broadsword shit and the patient will die  JVS   Sep-05-03 12:52 AM   #178 
           - DU? Die? Unlikely.  WilliamPitt   Sep-05-03 12:54 AM   #179 
              - Not DU, the democratic candidate  JVS   Sep-05-03 01:00 AM   #180 
              - And another thing. If you were a new poster a stunt like this would ....  JVS   Sep-05-03 01:05 AM   #181 
              - "To date, it has dealt poorly"  ibegurpard   Sep-05-03 01:26 AM   #186 
           - More like flailing a garden rake inside a greenhouse.  neuvocat   Sep-05-03 01:19 AM   #184 
           - It's not a roundhouse  Forkboy   Sep-05-03 01:22 AM   #185 
  - The "wants" give us passion to fight  armatt   Sep-05-03 12:38 AM   #170 
  - we all believe in "we."  WilliamPitt   Sep-05-03 12:42 AM   #173 
  - DU: A Rainbow Coalition of the Unwilling  oasis   Sep-05-03 12:50 AM   #176 
  - Will--you are right  Zuni   Sep-05-03 01:57 AM   #187 
  - Finally  Spentastic   Sep-05-03 04:36 AM   #189 
  - ok, putting aside  ulysses   Sep-05-03 07:39 AM   #190 
  - the 'i' is 'we'  buddhamama   Sep-05-03 08:42 AM   #196 
  - Just a bit of criticism, Will  Walt Starr   Sep-05-03 08:49 AM   #197 
  - Pitt  CWebster   Sep-05-03 09:16 AM   #200 
  - Jesus...for a while I thought we had been overrun by Stepford Dems...  Q   Sep-05-03 09:23 AM   #201 
     - Heh-heh  CWebster   Sep-05-03 09:28 AM   #204 
  - Whatever you say ~  salmonhorse   Sep-05-03 09:25 AM   #203 
  - Yea, that Democracy thing is bad isn't it????  Fescue4u   Sep-05-03 09:46 AM   #205 
  - got to disagree with this post  Mike_from_NoVa   Sep-05-03 09:56 AM   #206 
     - I am locking this thread.  newyawker99   Sep-05-03 12:27 PM   #209 
 

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