Walt Starr
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Fri Sep-05-03 08:49 AM
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| 197. Just a bit of criticism, Will |
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This is the worst thing you have ever written, IMO.
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| -The "I Want" Syndrome and Election '04 |
WilliamPitt |
Sep-04-03 03:57 PM |
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So, you're telling us that you want |
gratuitous |
Sep-04-03 04:05 PM |
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Yup |
MuseRider |
Sep-04-03 04:06 PM |
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and how do you define "greater good"? |
GreenArrow |
Sep-04-03 04:31 PM |
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The greater good |
WilliamPitt |
Sep-04-03 04:34 PM |
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"greater good is whomever stands against what is happening now" |
GreenArrow |
Sep-04-03 04:48 PM |
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That's why we don't have a 1-party system (in theory at least) |
dbaker41 |
Sep-04-03 05:02 PM |
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What if.... |
HFishbine |
Sep-04-03 05:00 PM |
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Disagree Here |
RobinA |
Sep-04-03 09:05 PM |
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cooperation comes from "we" thinking; |
nannah |
Sep-05-03 12:04 AM |
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Well, we all feel differently |
MuseRider |
Sep-04-03 04:35 PM |
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that's a fair and honest answer |
GreenArrow |
Sep-04-03 04:58 PM |
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I used to think so |
MuseRider |
Sep-04-03 05:10 PM |
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I Don't Think |
RobinA |
Sep-04-03 09:10 PM |
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You have just described my position |
Walt Starr |
Sep-05-03 08:28 AM |
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We discussed this at the Dean Meetup last Wed. |
Why |
Sep-05-03 09:02 AM |
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"I want" |
Semi_subversive |
Sep-04-03 04:08 PM |
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while it is annoying at times |
terryg11 |
Sep-04-03 04:08 PM |
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I don't think so |
sangh0 |
Sep-04-03 04:15 PM |
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not that it matters, but you are trying to put words in my mouth |
terryg11 |
Sep-04-03 04:27 PM |
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I want a party worth voting for! |
Terwilliger |
Sep-04-03 04:09 PM |
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so...vote green |
bearfartinthewoods |
Sep-04-03 05:02 PM |
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Do you promise not to piss and moan if he does vote Green? |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 05:12 PM |
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look at what he said....he wants a party worth voting for |
bearfartinthewoods |
Sep-04-03 05:40 PM |
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Then I suggest that you not tell people to go vote Green |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 06:06 PM |
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i gave him a choice |
bearfartinthewoods |
Sep-04-03 06:26 PM |
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oh THANK YOU |
Terwilliger |
Sep-04-03 08:18 PM |
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you do realize you're saying Greens are worth voting for |
Terwilliger |
Sep-05-03 09:24 AM |
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I see your point and agree with it on some level but |
brigadoon |
Sep-04-03 04:09 PM |
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Exactly Will! |
wrkclskid |
Sep-04-03 04:10 PM |
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great post Will |
stoptheinsandity |
Sep-04-03 04:11 PM |
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Actually, if someone called me a snoflake |
_Wayne_ |
Sep-04-03 04:12 PM |
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I've been saying the same thing. You just said it better. |
Kahuna |
Sep-04-03 04:12 PM |
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Well Said! |
Don_G |
Sep-04-03 04:13 PM |
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Sep-04-03 04:13 PM |
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this is a nation of individuals who should be willing to make some |
stoptheinsandity |
Sep-04-03 04:15 PM |
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Beautifully said. |
Kahuna |
Sep-04-03 04:16 PM |
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Very, very constructive... as his mother, I'm telling you |
Raven |
Sep-04-03 05:03 PM |
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It seems like |
MuseRider |
Sep-04-03 05:14 PM |
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"Nobody gives a damn what you want." |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 04:18 PM |
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Actually, it is |
WilliamPitt |
Sep-04-03 04:20 PM |
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I see what you mean |
JohnKleeb |
Sep-04-03 04:22 PM |
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Telling people that their desires are unimportant is a bad move |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 04:25 PM |
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You know, Will |
Eloriel |
Sep-04-03 04:38 PM |
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Thanks, Eloriel... |
Q |
Sep-04-03 06:31 PM |
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I Think |
RobinA |
Sep-04-03 09:19 PM |
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IMO, you completely missed the thrust of Will's thread |
stoptheinsandity |
Sep-04-03 04:22 PM |
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The only way to use we is to assume that you speak for many |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 04:31 PM |
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Do you really believe that? |
MuseRider |
Sep-04-03 05:33 PM |
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I believe what I posted |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 05:42 PM |
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I said that those |
MuseRider |
Sep-04-03 05:45 PM |
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Ok |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 06:11 PM |
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I want a candidate that understands politics is a contact sport. |
marshmellow |
Sep-04-03 04:19 PM |
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That's pretty chilling |
Eloriel |
Sep-04-03 04:21 PM |
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Typical |
sangh0 |
Sep-04-03 04:24 PM |
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Damn straight! |
Northwind |
Sep-04-03 04:27 PM |
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I'm with you Eloriel |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 04:38 PM |
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BRAVO! |
Walt Starr |
Sep-04-03 09:11 PM |
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unbelievable |
imhotep |
Sep-04-03 04:24 PM |
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Sep-04-03 04:28 PM |
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Will, you can "we, we, we" all the way home |
DemBones DemBones |
Sep-04-03 04:24 PM |
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What Dembones Dembones said... |
LibertyChick |
Sep-04-03 05:58 PM |
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Goddamned that was well said, Sir William! |
tom_paine |
Sep-04-03 04:24 PM |
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Who are you, TP, to tell me what I SHOULD think?? |
dbaker41 |
Sep-04-03 05:18 PM |
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Take it easy, Bake. It's an opinion like any other. |
tom_paine |
Sep-04-03 06:00 PM |
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We ARE on the same side! That's what I'm trying to tell you! |
dbaker41 |
Sep-04-03 10:02 PM |
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well said Will and tom_paine |
leftofthedial |
Sep-04-03 09:34 PM |
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I beg to differ, there are many options |
Walt Starr |
Sep-04-03 09:37 PM |
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we don't have decades |
leftofthedial |
Sep-04-03 09:40 PM |
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Fuck voting for Lapdog Democrats |
Walt Starr |
Sep-04-03 09:43 PM |
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How would you proceed with reform? |
leftofthedial |
Sep-04-03 09:54 PM |
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I'm talking about reforming the Democratic Party |
Walt Starr |
Sep-04-03 09:56 PM |
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we WAY agree |
leftofthedial |
Sep-04-03 10:19 PM |
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I disagree completely |
Walt Starr |
Sep-05-03 08:31 AM |
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Perhaps you could explain your statement about the damage |
leftofthedial |
Sep-05-03 10:13 AM |
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The difference is short term vs. long term |
Walt Starr |
Sep-05-03 10:22 AM |
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The fact that we don't have decades is why we must put up a good candidate |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 09:49 PM |
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that's why I support Kucinich |
leftofthedial |
Sep-04-03 10:31 PM |
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I don't want "perfect" |
Walt Starr |
Sep-05-03 08:33 AM |
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of course there are options |
leftofthedial |
Sep-04-03 10:03 PM |
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It's not that black and white |
Walt Starr |
Sep-05-03 08:38 AM |
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Please spare me the lecture |
ibegurpard |
Sep-04-03 04:27 PM |
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well that was your first post I consider complete |
Egnever |
Sep-04-03 04:29 PM |
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Nice |
WilliamPitt |
Sep-04-03 04:32 PM |
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no, that little rant was sad |
StandWatie |
Sep-04-03 04:39 PM |
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Fell for what? |
Egnever |
Sep-04-03 04:46 PM |
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Sep-04-03 05:38 PM |
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The Majority |
RobinA |
Sep-04-03 09:23 PM |
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Some DUers are not immune to selfishness |
Alenne |
Sep-04-03 04:38 PM |
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btw |
bearfartinthewoods |
Sep-04-03 04:44 PM |
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"Fuck what you want." |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 04:44 PM |
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i agree with you up until the last paragraph |
disgruntella |
Sep-04-03 04:46 PM |
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i don't get your issue with the use of the word we? |
bearfartinthewoods |
Sep-04-03 06:03 PM |
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here's the way i interpreted it |
disgruntella |
Sep-04-03 08:13 PM |
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Will I loved the book |
Nicholas_J |
Sep-04-03 04:47 PM |
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the personal attacks against Will are fucking disgusting |
matcom |
Sep-04-03 04:49 PM |
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Over the top |
bicentennial_baby |
Sep-04-03 04:53 PM |
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I didnt even know he had haters |
JohnKleeb |
Sep-04-03 05:20 PM |
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Hold up |
Spentastic |
Sep-05-03 04:16 AM |
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I'm not a snowflake? |
ulysses |
Sep-04-03 04:55 PM |
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"We" get to find out when"We" nominate some fool |
Walt Starr |
Sep-04-03 09:16 PM |
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Yes, you are a snowflake, Ulysses! Just like all the other special... |
DemLikr |
Sep-04-03 09:28 PM |
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We |
HFishbine |
Sep-04-03 04:57 PM |
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write him a letter |
disgruntella |
Sep-04-03 05:02 PM |
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Well Damn! |
HFishbine |
Sep-04-03 05:13 PM |
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I can understand the message... |
robsul82 |
Sep-04-03 05:04 PM |
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Hahaha that's funny |
Wetzelbill |
Sep-04-03 06:23 PM |
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I respectfully disagree, Will |
dbaker41 |
Sep-04-03 05:12 PM |
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I WANT bush&Co to fall in November 2004!!! |
mlawson |
Sep-04-03 05:15 PM |
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Sep-04-03 05:27 PM |
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Actually |
Nederland |
Sep-04-03 05:17 PM |
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Hell, it's not even about what "We" want anymore... |
KaraokeKarlton |
Sep-04-03 05:21 PM |
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Sep-04-03 05:33 PM |
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It isn't telling us how to vote per say. |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 05:38 PM |
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a DEMAND? |
matcom |
Sep-04-03 05:40 PM |
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Sep-04-03 05:46 PM |
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What personal attacks? I didn't make any personal attacks. |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 05:55 PM |
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You have a problem with reading Pitt's post? |
neuvocat |
Sep-04-03 05:43 PM |
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Ok I see what this is about now. |
neuvocat |
Sep-04-03 05:47 PM |
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Exactly |
chadm |
Sep-04-03 05:47 PM |
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YOU can say what YOU please too |
matcom |
Sep-04-03 05:48 PM |
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All these attacks and you can't find any. |
neuvocat |
Sep-04-03 05:52 PM |
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Technically those are not personal attacks |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 06:03 PM |
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You can still isolate whole groups of people and single them out. |
neuvocat |
Sep-04-03 06:28 PM |
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I agree completely |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 06:32 PM |
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You think I was talkinjg about Kerry? |
WilliamPitt |
Sep-04-03 05:46 PM |
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and who gets to define "ivory tower" and "greater good" |
chadm |
Sep-04-03 05:51 PM |
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Sep-04-03 06:06 PM |
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C'mon, I thought you were supposed to be the adult here. |
neuvocat |
Sep-04-03 06:23 PM |
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I AM WE |
bpilgrim |
Sep-04-03 05:33 PM |
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OMG, he has the audacity to fight rampant selfishness, |
mistertrickster |
Sep-04-03 05:45 PM |
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Well stated. |
MuseRider |
Sep-04-03 05:52 PM |
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I agree with the sentiment and the general philosophy |
chadm |
Sep-04-03 05:55 PM |
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Will was not talking about votes |
steviet_2003 |
Sep-04-03 06:30 PM |
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You saw Will's post as |
Eloriel |
Sep-05-03 12:26 AM |
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Fallacious. Groups are composed of *individuals*. |
poskonig |
Sep-04-03 05:45 PM |
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Beautiful . . . that's what people brought up to believe that the |
mistertrickster |
Sep-04-03 05:57 PM |
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Liberalism is *not* a space-monkey philosophy. |
poskonig |
Sep-05-03 07:51 AM |
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ok. So this is sort of like praying. |
Iris |
Sep-04-03 05:49 PM |
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When you read this thread, |
Raven |
Sep-04-03 06:02 PM |
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When was America ever consistantly about "we" |
LibertyChick |
Sep-04-03 06:07 PM |
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Not at all. |
Raven |
Sep-04-03 06:17 PM |
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Okay, that all sounds really great. |
ibegurpard |
Sep-04-03 06:32 PM |
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Saying I cannot stand the messenger is hyperbolic, too. |
LibertyChick |
Sep-04-03 06:39 PM |
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If you keep walking around in that circle |
Raven |
Sep-04-03 07:05 PM |
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Well, Mom, you're not exactly an unbiased bystander |
Eloriel |
Sep-05-03 12:38 AM |
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Will's post was about we |
Alenne |
Sep-04-03 06:07 PM |
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The whole problem is who gets to define the "we" |
dbaker41 |
Sep-04-03 09:56 PM |
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Come together... |
kentuck |
Sep-04-03 06:03 PM |
#103 |
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over WE n/t |
steviet_2003 |
Sep-04-03 06:35 PM |
#126 |
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chuckle, chuckle :-) |
oasis |
Sep-04-03 10:29 PM |
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? |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Sep-04-03 06:07 PM |
#108 |
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Damn, Will... |
Stuckinthebush |
Sep-04-03 06:11 PM |
#111 |
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"Fuck what you want." |
Q |
Sep-04-03 06:25 PM |
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Amen |
neuvocat |
Sep-04-03 06:29 PM |
#119 |
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Yes |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 06:34 PM |
#125 |
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Sorry that you have no "respect" for me |
Stuckinthebush |
Sep-05-03 09:10 AM |
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Looks like Mr. Pitt has pissed in all kinds of cheerios... |
KaraokeKarlton |
Sep-04-03 06:33 PM |
#124 |
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Stick around a little while longer |
neuvocat |
Sep-04-03 06:48 PM |
#128 |
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Oh yeah? Well fuck what you want! |
Walt Starr |
Sep-04-03 09:07 PM |
#133 |
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the Democratic? |
Terwilliger |
Sep-04-03 09:32 PM |
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Sorry, left out the word "candidate" |
Walt Starr |
Sep-04-03 09:34 PM |
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Can't I all just get along...? |
DemLikr |
Sep-04-03 09:37 PM |
#144 |
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We guess not. |
JVS |
Sep-04-03 09:45 PM |
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Heh |
Northwind |
Sep-04-03 10:18 PM |
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I TOTALLY AGREE, WILL |
Must_B_Free |
Sep-04-03 10:15 PM |
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How about getting that to the masses? |
PATRICK |
Sep-04-03 10:30 PM |
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Sep-04-03 10:38 PM |
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predictable overreactions by the purists |
Coffee Coyote |
Sep-04-03 10:52 PM |
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So people who disagree are purists, huh? |
neuvocat |
Sep-04-03 11:16 PM |
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The only one mentioning Kerry |
WilliamPitt |
Sep-04-03 11:18 PM |
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He isn't the only one I've mentioned. |
neuvocat |
Sep-05-03 01:14 AM |
#182 |
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say whut? |
Coffee Coyote |
Sep-04-03 11:27 PM |
#164 |
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well, if that's what he meant, he really ought to have said |
Eloriel |
Sep-05-03 12:42 AM |
#172 |
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No shit. |
neuvocat |
Sep-05-03 01:15 AM |
#183 |
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Ideological masturbation melted my snowflake |
Generic Other |
Sep-05-03 12:12 AM |
#166 |
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Ok, so let me get something straight |
redeye |
Sep-05-03 12:29 AM |
#168 |
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No |
WilliamPitt |
Sep-05-03 12:31 AM |
#169 |
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That is certainly a much better tone than "Fuck what you want" |
JVS |
Sep-05-03 12:44 AM |
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Sometimes I use a scalpel |
WilliamPitt |
Sep-05-03 12:47 AM |
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Sep-05-03 12:51 AM |
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You keep up this broadsword shit and the patient will die |
JVS |
Sep-05-03 12:52 AM |
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DU? Die? Unlikely. |
WilliamPitt |
Sep-05-03 12:54 AM |
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Not DU, the democratic candidate |
JVS |
Sep-05-03 01:00 AM |
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And another thing. If you were a new poster a stunt like this would .... |
JVS |
Sep-05-03 01:05 AM |
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"To date, it has dealt poorly" |
ibegurpard |
Sep-05-03 01:26 AM |
#186 |
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More like flailing a garden rake inside a greenhouse. |
neuvocat |
Sep-05-03 01:19 AM |
#184 |
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It's not a roundhouse |
Forkboy |
Sep-05-03 01:22 AM |
#185 |
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The "wants" give us passion to fight |
armatt |
Sep-05-03 12:38 AM |
#170 |
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we all believe in "we." |
WilliamPitt |
Sep-05-03 12:42 AM |
#173 |
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DU: A Rainbow Coalition of the Unwilling |
oasis |
Sep-05-03 12:50 AM |
#176 |
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Will--you are right |
Zuni |
Sep-05-03 01:57 AM |
#187 |
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Finally |
Spentastic |
Sep-05-03 04:36 AM |
#189 |
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ok, putting aside |
ulysses |
Sep-05-03 07:39 AM |
#190 |
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the 'i' is 'we' |
buddhamama |
Sep-05-03 08:42 AM |
#196 |
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Just a bit of criticism, Will |
Walt Starr |
Sep-05-03 08:49 AM |
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Pitt |
CWebster |
Sep-05-03 09:16 AM |
#200 |
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Jesus...for a while I thought we had been overrun by Stepford Dems... |
Q |
Sep-05-03 09:23 AM |
#201 |
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Heh-heh |
CWebster |
Sep-05-03 09:28 AM |
#204 |
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Whatever you say ~ |
salmonhorse |
Sep-05-03 09:25 AM |
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Yea, that Democracy thing is bad isn't it???? |
Fescue4u |
Sep-05-03 09:46 AM |
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got to disagree with this post |
Mike_from_NoVa |
Sep-05-03 09:56 AM |
#206 |
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I am locking this thread. |
newyawker99 |
Sep-05-03 12:27 PM |
#209 |
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