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Response to Reply #168
169. No
I'm not saying that. But in deciding who to vote for, please consider the importance of "We" in the transaction. "We" involves sacrifice, and perhaps a second thought. This applies no matter who is on the ballot, and no matter whom you prefer. This is not a message in advocacy for any one candidate. It is a message in advocacy for all of them.
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  -The "I Want" Syndrome and Election '04 WilliamPitt  Sep-04-03 03:57 PM   #0 
  - So, you're telling us that you want  gratuitous   Sep-04-03 04:05 PM   #1 
  - Yup  MuseRider   Sep-04-03 04:06 PM   #2 
  - and how do you define "greater good"?  GreenArrow   Sep-04-03 04:31 PM   #33 
  - The greater good  WilliamPitt   Sep-04-03 04:34 PM   #35 
  - "greater good is whomever stands against what is happening now"  GreenArrow   Sep-04-03 04:48 PM   #46 
  - That's why we don't have a 1-party system (in theory at least)  dbaker41   Sep-04-03 05:02 PM   #53 
  - What if....  HFishbine   Sep-04-03 05:00 PM   #52 
  - Disagree Here  RobinA   Sep-04-03 09:05 PM   #132 
  - cooperation comes from "we" thinking;  nannah   Sep-05-03 12:04 AM   #165 
  - Well, we all feel differently  MuseRider   Sep-04-03 04:35 PM   #36 
     - that's a fair and honest answer  GreenArrow   Sep-04-03 04:58 PM   #51 
        - I used to think so  MuseRider   Sep-04-03 05:10 PM   #58 
        - I Don't Think  RobinA   Sep-04-03 09:10 PM   #134 
           - You have just described my position  Walt Starr   Sep-05-03 08:28 AM   #192 
  - We discussed this at the Dean Meetup last Wed.  Why   Sep-05-03 09:02 AM   #198 
  - "I want"  Semi_subversive   Sep-04-03 04:08 PM   #3 
  - while it is annoying at times  terryg11   Sep-04-03 04:08 PM   #4 
  - I don't think so  sangh0   Sep-04-03 04:15 PM   #14 
     - not that it matters, but you are trying to put words in my mouth  terryg11   Sep-04-03 04:27 PM   #27 
  - I want a party worth voting for!  Terwilliger   Sep-04-03 04:09 PM   #5 
  - so...vote green  bearfartinthewoods   Sep-04-03 05:02 PM   #55 
     - Do you promise not to piss and moan if he does vote Green?  JVS   Sep-04-03 05:12 PM   #59 
     - look at what he said....he wants a party worth voting for  bearfartinthewoods   Sep-04-03 05:40 PM   #80 
        - Then I suggest that you not tell people to go vote Green  JVS   Sep-04-03 06:06 PM   #106 
           - i gave him a choice  bearfartinthewoods   Sep-04-03 06:26 PM   #117 
              - oh THANK YOU  Terwilliger   Sep-04-03 08:18 PM   #131 
     - you do realize you're saying Greens are worth voting for  Terwilliger   Sep-05-03 09:24 AM   #202 
  - I see your point and agree with it on some level but  brigadoon   Sep-04-03 04:09 PM   #6 
  - Exactly Will!  wrkclskid   Sep-04-03 04:10 PM   #7 
  - great post Will  stoptheinsandity   Sep-04-03 04:11 PM   #8 
  - Actually, if someone called me a snoflake  _Wayne_   Sep-04-03 04:12 PM   #9 
  - I've been saying the same thing. You just said it better.  Kahuna   Sep-04-03 04:12 PM   #10 
  - Well Said!  Don_G   Sep-04-03 04:13 PM   #11 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 04:13 PM   #12 
  - this is a nation of individuals who should be willing to make some  stoptheinsandity   Sep-04-03 04:15 PM   #13 
  - Beautifully said.  Kahuna   Sep-04-03 04:16 PM   #15 
  - Very, very constructive... as his mother, I'm telling you  Raven   Sep-04-03 05:03 PM   #56 
     - It seems like  MuseRider   Sep-04-03 05:14 PM   #62 
  - "Nobody gives a damn what you want."  JVS   Sep-04-03 04:18 PM   #16 
  - Actually, it is  WilliamPitt   Sep-04-03 04:20 PM   #18 
  - I see what you mean  JohnKleeb   Sep-04-03 04:22 PM   #21 
  - Telling people that their desires are unimportant is a bad move  JVS   Sep-04-03 04:25 PM   #26 
  - You know, Will  Eloriel   Sep-04-03 04:38 PM   #37 
     - Thanks, Eloriel...  Q   Sep-04-03 06:31 PM   #121 
     - I Think  RobinA   Sep-04-03 09:19 PM   #137 
  - IMO, you completely missed the thrust of Will's thread  stoptheinsandity   Sep-04-03 04:22 PM   #20 
     - The only way to use we is to assume that you speak for many  JVS   Sep-04-03 04:31 PM   #32 
        - Do you really believe that?  MuseRider   Sep-04-03 05:33 PM   #75 
           - I believe what I posted  JVS   Sep-04-03 05:42 PM   #81 
              - I said that those  MuseRider   Sep-04-03 05:45 PM   #86 
                 - Ok  JVS   Sep-04-03 06:11 PM   #112 
  - I want a candidate that understands politics is a contact sport.  marshmellow   Sep-04-03 04:19 PM   #17 
  - That's pretty chilling  Eloriel   Sep-04-03 04:21 PM   #19 
  - Typical  sangh0   Sep-04-03 04:24 PM   #25 
  - Damn straight!  Northwind   Sep-04-03 04:27 PM   #29 
  - I'm with you Eloriel  JVS   Sep-04-03 04:38 PM   #39 
  - BRAVO!  Walt Starr   Sep-04-03 09:11 PM   #135 
  - unbelievable  imhotep   Sep-04-03 04:24 PM   #22 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 04:28 PM   #30 
  - Will, you can "we, we, we" all the way home  DemBones DemBones   Sep-04-03 04:24 PM   #23 
  - What Dembones Dembones said...  LibertyChick   Sep-04-03 05:58 PM   #100 
  - Goddamned that was well said, Sir William!  tom_paine   Sep-04-03 04:24 PM   #24 
  - Who are you, TP, to tell me what I SHOULD think??  dbaker41   Sep-04-03 05:18 PM   #66 
  - Take it easy, Bake. It's an opinion like any other.  tom_paine   Sep-04-03 06:00 PM   #101 
     - We ARE on the same side! That's what I'm trying to tell you!  dbaker41   Sep-04-03 10:02 PM   #152 
  - well said Will and tom_paine  leftofthedial   Sep-04-03 09:34 PM   #142 
     - I beg to differ, there are many options  Walt Starr   Sep-04-03 09:37 PM   #143 
        - we don't have decades  leftofthedial   Sep-04-03 09:40 PM   #145 
        - Fuck voting for Lapdog Democrats  Walt Starr   Sep-04-03 09:43 PM   #146 
        - How would you proceed with reform?  leftofthedial   Sep-04-03 09:54 PM   #149 
           - I'm talking about reforming the Democratic Party  Walt Starr   Sep-04-03 09:56 PM   #151 
              - we WAY agree  leftofthedial   Sep-04-03 10:19 PM   #156 
                 - I disagree completely  Walt Starr   Sep-05-03 08:31 AM   #193 
                    - Perhaps you could explain your statement about the damage  leftofthedial   Sep-05-03 10:13 AM   #207 
                       - The difference is short term vs. long term  Walt Starr   Sep-05-03 10:22 AM   #208 
        - The fact that we don't have decades is why we must put up a good candidate  JVS   Sep-04-03 09:49 PM   #148 
           - that's why I support Kucinich  leftofthedial   Sep-04-03 10:31 PM   #159 
              - I don't want "perfect"  Walt Starr   Sep-05-03 08:33 AM   #194 
        - of course there are options  leftofthedial   Sep-04-03 10:03 PM   #153 
           - It's not that black and white  Walt Starr   Sep-05-03 08:38 AM   #195 
  - Please spare me the lecture  ibegurpard   Sep-04-03 04:27 PM   #28 
  - well that was your first post I consider complete  Egnever   Sep-04-03 04:29 PM   #31 
  - Nice  WilliamPitt   Sep-04-03 04:32 PM   #34 
     - no, that little rant was sad  StandWatie   Sep-04-03 04:39 PM   #40 
     - Fell for what?  Egnever   Sep-04-03 04:46 PM   #43 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:38 PM   #78 
     - The Majority  RobinA   Sep-04-03 09:23 PM   #138 
  - Some DUers are not immune to selfishness  Alenne   Sep-04-03 04:38 PM   #38 
  - btw  bearfartinthewoods   Sep-04-03 04:44 PM   #41 
  - "Fuck what you want."  JVS   Sep-04-03 04:44 PM   #42 
  - i agree with you up until the last paragraph  disgruntella   Sep-04-03 04:46 PM   #44 
  - i don't get your issue with the use of the word we?  bearfartinthewoods   Sep-04-03 06:03 PM   #104 
     - here's the way i interpreted it  disgruntella   Sep-04-03 08:13 PM   #130 
  - Will I loved the book  Nicholas_J   Sep-04-03 04:47 PM   #45 
  - the personal attacks against Will are fucking disgusting  matcom   Sep-04-03 04:49 PM   #47 
  - Over the top  bicentennial_baby   Sep-04-03 04:53 PM   #48 
  - I didnt even know he had haters  JohnKleeb   Sep-04-03 05:20 PM   #68 
  - Hold up  Spentastic   Sep-05-03 04:16 AM   #188 
  - I'm not a snowflake?  ulysses   Sep-04-03 04:55 PM   #49 
  - "We" get to find out when"We" nominate some fool  Walt Starr   Sep-04-03 09:16 PM   #136 
  - Yes, you are a snowflake, Ulysses! Just like all the other special...  DemLikr   Sep-04-03 09:28 PM   #139 
  - We  HFishbine   Sep-04-03 04:57 PM   #50 
  - write him a letter  disgruntella   Sep-04-03 05:02 PM   #54 
     - Well Damn!  HFishbine   Sep-04-03 05:13 PM   #61 
  - I can understand the message...  robsul82   Sep-04-03 05:04 PM   #57 
  - Hahaha that's funny  Wetzelbill   Sep-04-03 06:23 PM   #114 
  - I respectfully disagree, Will  dbaker41   Sep-04-03 05:12 PM   #60 
  - I WANT bush&Co to fall in November 2004!!!  mlawson   Sep-04-03 05:15 PM   #63 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:16 PM   #64 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:19 PM   #67 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:24 PM   #70 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:26 PM   #72 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:27 PM   #73 
  - Actually  Nederland   Sep-04-03 05:17 PM   #65 
  - Hell, it's not even about what "We" want anymore...  KaraokeKarlton   Sep-04-03 05:21 PM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:25 PM   #71 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:33 PM   #76 
     - It isn't telling us how to vote per say.  JVS   Sep-04-03 05:38 PM   #77 
     - a DEMAND?  matcom   Sep-04-03 05:40 PM   #79 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:46 PM   #88 
        - What personal attacks? I didn't make any personal attacks.  JVS   Sep-04-03 05:55 PM   #98 
     - You have a problem with reading Pitt's post?  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 05:43 PM   #82 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:45 PM   #83 
        - Ok I see what this is about now.  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 05:47 PM   #89 
           - Exactly  chadm   Sep-04-03 05:47 PM   #90 
           - YOU can say what YOU please too  matcom   Sep-04-03 05:48 PM   #91 
              - All these attacks and you can't find any.  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 05:52 PM   #95 
                 - Technically those are not personal attacks  JVS   Sep-04-03 06:03 PM   #105 
                    - You can still isolate whole groups of people and single them out.  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 06:28 PM   #118 
                       - I agree completely  JVS   Sep-04-03 06:32 PM   #123 
        - You think I was talkinjg about Kerry?  WilliamPitt   Sep-04-03 05:46 PM   #87 
           - and who gets to define "ivory tower" and "greater good"  chadm   Sep-04-03 05:51 PM   #93 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 05:54 PM   #96 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 06:06 PM   #107 
                 - C'mon, I thought you were supposed to be the adult here.  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 06:23 PM   #115 
  - I AM WE  bpilgrim   Sep-04-03 05:33 PM   #74 
  - OMG, he has the audacity to fight rampant selfishness,  mistertrickster   Sep-04-03 05:45 PM   #84 
  - Well stated.  MuseRider   Sep-04-03 05:52 PM   #94 
  - I agree with the sentiment and the general philosophy  chadm   Sep-04-03 05:55 PM   #97 
     - Will was not talking about votes  steviet_2003   Sep-04-03 06:30 PM   #120 
        - You saw Will's post as  Eloriel   Sep-05-03 12:26 AM   #167 
  - Fallacious. Groups are composed of *individuals*.  poskonig   Sep-04-03 05:45 PM   #85 
  - Beautiful . . . that's what people brought up to believe that the  mistertrickster   Sep-04-03 05:57 PM   #99 
     - Liberalism is *not* a space-monkey philosophy.  poskonig   Sep-05-03 07:51 AM   #191 
  - ok. So this is sort of like praying.  Iris   Sep-04-03 05:49 PM   #92 
  - When you read this thread,  Raven   Sep-04-03 06:02 PM   #102 
  - When was America ever consistantly about "we"  LibertyChick   Sep-04-03 06:07 PM   #109 
  - Not at all.  Raven   Sep-04-03 06:17 PM   #113 
     - Okay, that all sounds really great.  ibegurpard   Sep-04-03 06:32 PM   #122 
     - Saying I cannot stand the messenger is hyperbolic, too.  LibertyChick   Sep-04-03 06:39 PM   #127 
        - If you keep walking around in that circle  Raven   Sep-04-03 07:05 PM   #129 
           - Well, Mom, you're not exactly an unbiased bystander  Eloriel   Sep-05-03 12:38 AM   #171 
  - Will's post was about we  Alenne   Sep-04-03 06:07 PM   #110 
  - The whole problem is who gets to define the "we"  dbaker41   Sep-04-03 09:56 PM   #150 
  - Come together...  kentuck   Sep-04-03 06:03 PM   #103 
  - over WE n/t  steviet_2003   Sep-04-03 06:35 PM   #126 
     - chuckle, chuckle :-)  oasis   Sep-04-03 10:29 PM   #157 
  - ?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Sep-04-03 06:07 PM   #108 
  - Damn, Will...  Stuckinthebush   Sep-04-03 06:11 PM   #111 
  - "Fuck what you want."  Q   Sep-04-03 06:25 PM   #116 
     - Amen  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 06:29 PM   #119 
     - Yes  JVS   Sep-04-03 06:34 PM   #125 
     - Sorry that you have no "respect" for me  Stuckinthebush   Sep-05-03 09:10 AM   #199 
  - Looks like Mr. Pitt has pissed in all kinds of cheerios...  KaraokeKarlton   Sep-04-03 06:33 PM   #124 
  - Stick around a little while longer  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 06:48 PM   #128 
  - Oh yeah? Well fuck what you want!  Walt Starr   Sep-04-03 09:07 PM   #133 
  - the Democratic?  Terwilliger   Sep-04-03 09:32 PM   #140 
     - Sorry, left out the word "candidate"  Walt Starr   Sep-04-03 09:34 PM   #141 
  - Can't I all just get along...?  DemLikr   Sep-04-03 09:37 PM   #144 
  - We guess not.  JVS   Sep-04-03 09:45 PM   #147 
  - Heh  Northwind   Sep-04-03 10:18 PM   #155 
  - I TOTALLY AGREE, WILL  Must_B_Free   Sep-04-03 10:15 PM   #154 
  - How about getting that to the masses?  PATRICK   Sep-04-03 10:30 PM   #158 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-04-03 10:38 PM   #160 
  - predictable overreactions by the purists  Coffee Coyote   Sep-04-03 10:52 PM   #161 
  - So people who disagree are purists, huh?  neuvocat   Sep-04-03 11:16 PM   #162 
  - The only one mentioning Kerry  WilliamPitt   Sep-04-03 11:18 PM   #163 
  - He isn't the only one I've mentioned.  neuvocat   Sep-05-03 01:14 AM   #182 
  - say whut?  Coffee Coyote   Sep-04-03 11:27 PM   #164 
  - well, if that's what he meant, he really ought to have said  Eloriel   Sep-05-03 12:42 AM   #172 
     - No shit.  neuvocat   Sep-05-03 01:15 AM   #183 
  - Ideological masturbation melted my snowflake  Generic Other   Sep-05-03 12:12 AM   #166 
  - Ok, so let me get something straight  redeye   Sep-05-03 12:29 AM   #168 
  - No  WilliamPitt   Sep-05-03 12:31 AM   #169 
     - That is certainly a much better tone than "Fuck what you want"  JVS   Sep-05-03 12:44 AM   #174 
        - Sometimes I use a scalpel  WilliamPitt   Sep-05-03 12:47 AM   #175 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-05-03 12:51 AM   #177 
           - You keep up this broadsword shit and the patient will die  JVS   Sep-05-03 12:52 AM   #178 
           - DU? Die? Unlikely.  WilliamPitt   Sep-05-03 12:54 AM   #179 
              - Not DU, the democratic candidate  JVS   Sep-05-03 01:00 AM   #180 
              - And another thing. If you were a new poster a stunt like this would ....  JVS   Sep-05-03 01:05 AM   #181 
              - "To date, it has dealt poorly"  ibegurpard   Sep-05-03 01:26 AM   #186 
           - More like flailing a garden rake inside a greenhouse.  neuvocat   Sep-05-03 01:19 AM   #184 
           - It's not a roundhouse  Forkboy   Sep-05-03 01:22 AM   #185 
  - The "wants" give us passion to fight  armatt   Sep-05-03 12:38 AM   #170 
  - we all believe in "we."  WilliamPitt   Sep-05-03 12:42 AM   #173 
  - DU: A Rainbow Coalition of the Unwilling  oasis   Sep-05-03 12:50 AM   #176 
  - Will--you are right  Zuni   Sep-05-03 01:57 AM   #187 
  - Finally  Spentastic   Sep-05-03 04:36 AM   #189 
  - ok, putting aside  ulysses   Sep-05-03 07:39 AM   #190 
  - the 'i' is 'we'  buddhamama   Sep-05-03 08:42 AM   #196 
  - Just a bit of criticism, Will  Walt Starr   Sep-05-03 08:49 AM   #197 
  - Pitt  CWebster   Sep-05-03 09:16 AM   #200 
  - Jesus...for a while I thought we had been overrun by Stepford Dems...  Q   Sep-05-03 09:23 AM   #201 
     - Heh-heh  CWebster   Sep-05-03 09:28 AM   #204 
  - Whatever you say ~  salmonhorse   Sep-05-03 09:25 AM   #203 
  - Yea, that Democracy thing is bad isn't it????  Fescue4u   Sep-05-03 09:46 AM   #205 
  - got to disagree with this post  Mike_from_NoVa   Sep-05-03 09:56 AM   #206 
     - I am locking this thread.  newyawker99   Sep-05-03 12:27 PM   #209 
 

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