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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 02:28 AM
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47. it matters to me because denying the fundamental reality...
Edited on Tue Nov-30-04 02:33 AM by mike_c
...that biological evolution occurs is tantamount to embracing ignorance. It's a return to the intellectual dishonesty of the Dark Ages. The reality of evolution is no more questionable than the reality of the Copernican view of the solar system, and no less observable.

As an educator, evolution matters to me not only because it's an observed truth, but because 99.9 percent of the discussion about evolution outside of biological circles is flat out misinformed, despite the efforts that my colleagues and I have expended to educate people about the matter for nearly a century (I date that effort back to the new synthesis in the early 20th century, not to Darwin). It's damned frustrating to hear apparently well educated people suddenly begin spouting gross misconceptions about biological evolution.
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  -Why does Evolution Matter? bryant69  Nov-29-04 02:44 PM   #0 
  - it's a dividing line between rational thinking and  sui generis   Nov-29-04 02:48 PM   #1 
  - You know, I think that  ixat   Nov-29-04 04:51 PM   #33 
  - Why can't evolution just be accepted as  Lucky Luciano   Nov-29-04 02:49 PM   #2 
  - "Why can't they be satisfied with the idea that god created evolution?"  BlueEyedSon   Nov-29-04 02:54 PM   #8 
  - Would this be acceptable?  StClone   Nov-29-04 03:20 PM   #17 
  - Why not?  NCevilDUer   Nov-29-04 03:29 PM   #19 
     - No, because there is no creator, silly!  BlueEyedSon   Nov-29-04 03:31 PM   #22 
     - Yeah but I am trying to develop an argument  StClone   Nov-29-04 03:39 PM   #25 
        - Their logic is circular and starts (and ends) with their faith  BlueEyedSon   Nov-29-04 04:04 PM   #26 
     - Are we quoting Bill Hicks here? ;)  ixat   Nov-29-04 04:53 PM   #34 
  - Just as an aside,  Yupster   Nov-30-04 01:34 AM   #46 
  - If God created "man" ... which "man" did He create?  TahitiNut   Nov-29-04 10:17 PM   #42 
  - Reason v. Faith.  BlueEyedSon   Nov-29-04 02:50 PM   #3 
  - So it's wedge issue?  bryant69   Nov-29-04 02:52 PM   #5 
  - We must present people with another way of thinking and let them decide.  BlueEyedSon   Nov-29-04 02:56 PM   #9 
  - And if they decide to keep their current way of thinking?  bryant69   Nov-29-04 03:12 PM   #16 
  - Then we are all doomed to live in a regressive, repressive  BlueEyedSon   Nov-29-04 03:32 PM   #23 
  - We must present the best science as we know it  Fleurs du Mal   Nov-29-04 04:29 PM   #31 
  - Let's start with the one cell amoeba!  0007   Nov-29-04 06:15 PM   #37 
  - I think so  Fleurs du Mal   Nov-29-04 04:27 PM   #30 
  - Agreed  Fleurs du Mal   Nov-29-04 04:36 PM   #32 
  - It matters in a science class.  UdoKier   Nov-29-04 02:52 PM   #4 
  - One reason:  H2O Man   Nov-29-04 02:52 PM   #6 
  - A complicated matter  sparosnare   Nov-29-04 02:52 PM   #7 
  - The argument usually centers around what should be taught to kids  lightbulb   Nov-29-04 02:59 PM   #10 
  - I'm not sure  bryant69   Nov-29-04 03:11 PM   #15 
  - Biology teachers did not create this issue's political importance.  BurtWorm   Nov-29-04 03:00 PM   #11 
  - Critical thinking and scientific method vs. blind faith  IrateCitizen   Nov-29-04 03:01 PM   #12 
  - Why does understanding stuff matter?  L0cke   Nov-29-04 03:04 PM   #13 
  - the big picture is critical thinking  Bill McBlueState   Nov-29-04 03:08 PM   #14 
  - Why do the Founders matter?  sandnsea   Nov-29-04 03:26 PM   #18 
  - Good question!  Zhade   Nov-29-04 03:30 PM   #20 
  - If it wasn't for evolution  xerox   Nov-29-04 03:30 PM   #21 
  - It's a psycho-socialogical litmus test  The White Tree   Nov-29-04 03:34 PM   #24 
  - "the littoral truth" is very shallow compared to deep ocean truth.  TahitiNut   Nov-29-04 10:23 PM   #43 
     - lol....  mike_c   Nov-30-04 02:30 AM   #49 
  - Simple  essarhaddon   Nov-29-04 04:21 PM   #27 
  - Because it is well-confirmed science  Fleurs du Mal   Nov-29-04 04:22 PM   #28 
  - Well, that's actually a sociologically sound approach.  ixat   Nov-29-04 05:01 PM   #35 
  - I like "Santa Claus in the Sky"  bryant69   Nov-29-04 06:06 PM   #36 
     - I don't believe in evolution  Fleurs du Mal   Nov-29-04 10:02 PM   #40 
  - Same reason everything else you learn in school matters.  DrWeird   Nov-29-04 04:25 PM   #29 
  - Because it makes sense of biological data.  Jim__   Nov-29-04 06:44 PM   #38 
  - Editorial from LA Times  ogsball   Nov-29-04 09:35 PM   #39 
  - Doesn't this sez it all?  0007   Nov-29-04 10:12 PM   #41 
  - Fundies: since we're god's creation, we're "under god's authority:"  KnowerOfLogic   Nov-30-04 01:07 AM   #44 
  - It matters because if our heads are going to be good for anything  bbqshoes   Nov-30-04 01:21 AM   #45 
  - it matters to me because denying the fundamental reality...  mike_c   Nov-30-04 02:28 AM   #47 
  - Fundamentalists are afraid of death  LastLiberal in PalmSprings   Nov-30-04 02:29 AM   #48 

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