indigobusiness
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Fri Nov-26-04 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #32 |
| 48. Sure, if you're Machiavelli. |
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It is way past time to find an honest and up front way to deal with our problems.
This game of manipulation is killing us.
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| -I'm starting to think that we're looking at this whole thing wrongly . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Nov-24-04 10:07 PM |
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is that an echo I hear? |
grease_monkey |
Nov-24-04 10:27 PM |
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An echo? |
muriel_volestrangler |
Nov-25-04 09:16 AM |
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And not only that, they stage phony elections .... |
kentuck |
Nov-24-04 10:37 PM |
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The subject of Class warfare is taboo, but we are in a class war |
Robbien |
Nov-24-04 10:39 PM |
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Bingo- the phony war disguises the true class war. |
Redleg |
Nov-24-04 10:47 PM |
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You got it... |
kentuck |
Nov-24-04 10:50 PM |
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I started posting here in March this year(the first day I found this site) |
ilovenicepeople |
Nov-25-04 01:44 AM |
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i believe in sociology there is a term for this. it is called false |
AgadorSparticus |
Nov-24-04 10:52 PM |
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"False consciousness" is a Karl Marx term and is very appropriate |
Redleg |
Nov-24-04 10:59 PM |
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HA! and my dad thought all i did was party on his dime. ;) |
AgadorSparticus |
Nov-24-04 11:18 PM |
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You probably did party AND learn. What could be better than that? |
Redleg |
Nov-24-04 11:26 PM |
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i did party and i did get a fantastic education. |
AgadorSparticus |
Nov-24-04 11:44 PM |
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Been thinking about this myself lately. |
Arianrhod |
Nov-24-04 11:15 PM |
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It's damn depressing sometimes.... |
kentuck |
Nov-24-04 11:25 PM |
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Yeah, I know what you mean about the voting thing. |
Arianrhod |
Nov-25-04 12:08 AM |
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take heart! read this article |
zippy890 |
Nov-25-04 09:58 AM |
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Excellent article. |
Arianrhod |
Nov-26-04 02:37 PM |
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"Protestant lottery ethic" - that's a keeper. |
Zhade |
Nov-25-04 04:10 PM |
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Thanks! n/t |
Arianrhod |
Nov-26-04 02:38 PM |
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"'Taught' to act against their own best interests..." |
blondeatlast |
Nov-26-04 03:44 PM |
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The real fight is not between left and right, but between up and down |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-24-04 11:19 PM |
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do you really think powell and condi, for that matter, are dumb ups? |
AgadorSparticus |
Nov-24-04 11:48 PM |
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Agree Condi and Powell Are A New Category |
Sideways |
Nov-26-04 01:06 PM |
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amazing |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Nov-25-04 01:49 AM |
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True. The problem is, none of us knows the solution... Or do we all do? |
HypnoToad |
Nov-25-04 12:12 AM |
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Bill Moyers is the only one who dares to call class war! |
bvar22 |
Nov-25-04 12:29 AM |
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I remember that well. |
blondeatlast |
Nov-26-04 03:46 PM |
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brilliant post |
m berst |
Nov-25-04 12:32 AM |
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the real battle is indeed class warfare . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Nov-25-04 12:42 AM |
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I think this comment by Kramer is really important . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Nov-25-04 03:17 AM |
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I agree fully |
walldude |
Nov-25-04 01:08 AM |
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the korporate kontrolled |
xxqqqzme |
Nov-26-04 02:48 PM |
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This is not new, of course. The natural state of man is that of master |
Ron_Green |
Nov-25-04 01:58 AM |
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during the civil rights movement, I read lots of books about US |
bobbieinok |
Nov-25-04 03:58 AM |
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Studs Terkel's book *Race* mentions this |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-25-04 12:49 PM |
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kick . . . hope the discussion will continue . . . n/t |
OneBlueSky |
Nov-25-04 08:52 AM |
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The Haves also have the guns, lawyers and Intel Community on their side. |
Octafish |
Nov-25-04 09:10 AM |
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true, they have all the resources . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Nov-25-04 09:15 AM |
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How about a quiet revolution? |
leanin_green |
Nov-25-04 11:02 AM |
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There is only ONE ISSUE ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Nov-25-04 09:25 AM |
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Shades of Ralph Nadar. |
leanin_green |
Nov-25-04 11:09 AM |
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Nader is "dead on" on the issues ... |
welshTerrier2 |
Nov-25-04 01:45 PM |
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Precisely. nt |
blondeatlast |
Nov-26-04 03:48 PM |
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On a semantic note, 'have/have not' IS the 'right/left' battle |
muriel_volestrangler |
Nov-25-04 09:34 AM |
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We need to dumb down our message |
Snotcicles |
Nov-25-04 09:52 AM |
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Sure, if you're Machiavelli. |
indigobusiness |
Nov-26-04 12:54 PM |
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not sure Snotcicles |
m berst |
Nov-26-04 02:56 PM |
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They only thing I can say is..MLK |
Jose Diablo |
Nov-25-04 10:15 AM |
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I know. Since I live in an area where Bush is very popular |
Ms_Mary |
Nov-25-04 11:09 AM |
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Alot of people voted against their CORE VALUES... |
bvar22 |
Nov-25-04 02:52 PM |
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Big media edited Edwards out. He was ignored by the media not by |
w4rma |
Nov-25-04 03:07 PM |
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That's how I'd call it too. |
blondeatlast |
Nov-26-04 03:52 PM |
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Howard Dean and john Edwards have this figured out. |
Cuban_Liberal |
Nov-25-04 01:47 PM |
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The cacophany of noise from all sides has drowned out the high-notes. |
indigobusiness |
Nov-25-04 01:48 PM |
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This may ultimately work against them! |
bvar22 |
Nov-25-04 03:18 PM |
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I once would've agreed, and your point is well taken. |
indigobusiness |
Nov-26-04 12:49 PM |
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Nominated. This is EXACTLY right. |
Zhade |
Nov-25-04 04:07 PM |
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I agree... |
distantearlywarning |
Nov-26-04 02:21 PM |
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don't apologize 4 |
xxqqqzme |
Nov-26-04 03:15 PM |
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yup |
leftofthedial |
Nov-26-04 02:50 PM |
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(Stands up) CLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAPCLAP, etc. |
blondeatlast |
Nov-26-04 03:41 PM |
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thought provoking and well worded, thank you ... |
UNIXcock |
Nov-26-04 03:55 PM |
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