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BevHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 10:40 AM
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22. The Dems did nothing to help themselves, let me clarify
As a nonpartisan nonprofit 501c(3), we cannot get involved in campaigns, recounts and the like. However, by sending the records request to every county in the nation, and publishing the exact documents needed on the web site by midnight Nov. 2, this put ALL parties on notice what was needed in order to properly audit.

We made ourselves available for consultation on exactly what records to request and how to use them for auditing.

Other political parties have used information from our public records request to set up their own recounts and audits. Citizens groups have also done so on a local basis.

Therefore, the road map for the Kerry campaign was right there. Though we could not accept, and they certainly did not offer, assistence on securing our own request, they certainly should have filed an identical request themselves, litigated and muscled counties into compliance in Ohio and Florida, and it would have been easy for them to get teams of computer people to examine the logs and teams of auditors to match up the records. This all could have been done in a matter of three most, 5 days, with the muscle they had.

Instead, they rebuffed our attempts to provide expertise, advice, or evidence, and they made no effort whatsoever to do any auditing at all, nor even to obtain the records needed for simple, quick, diagnostics.

More recently, we have had overtures, but I admit I've been pretty rude and completely without patience with them. Too late, and far too little emphasis on what really needs to be done.

The Kerry attorney in Volusia, by the way, came by but asked not a single question, never asked to look at any evidence, and told one of the producers of Votergate that he thought Black Box Voting was just here to "stir up trouble."

We were very open about the problems we anticipated with this -- the Election Protection effort, which was admirable, was focused solely on watching the casting of the vote, rather than the counting of the vote. When concerned people with access to decisionmakers tried to bring this huge ommission to the attention of people who could take corrective action, they said they were not interested and, in some cases, refused to even take the phone to talk with Black Box Voting.

After the election, everyone came to us asking what we can do. Many people expected Black Box Voting, an organization held together only by the grit of volunteers and the efforts of three full time investigators and a board of directors, with a shoestring budget, to overturn the national election. Not only was this the expectation unrealistic (though our nonpartisan charter would prohibit us from seeking a recount anyway), but the clock had already been run out.

We have consistently been ahead of the curve on this. We identified the problems with voting machine reliability and nontransparency way back in 2002; we have stressed since 2003 that the problems are not just touch screens, but with all computerized systems, including optical scans and punch cards, and we have focused on auditing as the solution since mid-2003.

While everyone else was focusing on getting a "paper trail" (without making any efforts to ensure that something meaningful was done to USE the paper to audit), we were focusing on auditing ommissions, both with the machines and with election procedures. While 40,000 people charged off to watch votes being cast, we published guidelines to create human audit logs for the central tabulator, the machine that COUNTS the votes.

In short, the time to set things up to contest this election on a national basis was a few weeks BEFORE the election. No one in a decisionmaking capacity bothered to do that, though we had been publicly calling for this, even going to Washington D.C. in September to meet with people and hold a press conference, in September.

Now, after the fact, people are realizing the mistakes.

1. Focusing on touch-screens and computer solutions, instead of focusing on basic auditing and bookkeeping

2. Focusing on touch screen machines instead of the central tabulator and the optical scans and punch card computers as well.

3. Failing to put any procedures in place to audit elections properly on a county by county basis

And now, failing to use the legal muscle of the party to enforce production of audit documents, and failure to do any auditing at all.

The result is that the American People are left with uncertainty on a nationwide basis.

Stay tuned for an upcoming national conference which will be put on by Black Box Voting, called "Help America Audit," in which we will teach citizens groups, political parties, candidates, and private citizens how to conduct citizen audits of elections on a county by county basis, the only method available to us, really -- and stay tuned, also, for an action we'll be taking soon to beef up compliance with the public records requests needed for election auditing.

Love ya,


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  -UPDATE: Florida litigation on voting issues, from Black Box Voting BevHarris  Nov-24-04 07:36 AM   #0 
  - Thanks for the report Bev  Blue Gardener   Nov-24-04 07:48 AM   #1 
  - BEV PLEASE ADVISE US ON HOW TO HANDLE MADSEN REPORT.  jamboi   Nov-25-04 11:26 PM   #93 
  - Thanks so much, Bev! n/t  bear425   Nov-24-04 07:50 AM   #2 
  - our party has forsaken us..again!!!!  freedom for all   Nov-24-04 08:08 AM   #4 
     - Completely irresponsible. A $52 million litigation war chest  BevHarris   Nov-24-04 08:21 AM   #5 
        - I can't imagine the frustration...  prof_science   Nov-24-04 08:53 AM   #9 
        - Thanks Bev.  Tommymac   Nov-24-04 08:57 AM   #11 
        - I wan't to confirm this  Carl Brennan   Nov-24-04 09:38 AM   #15 
        - The Dems did nothing to help themselves, let me clarify  BevHarris   Nov-24-04 10:40 AM   #22 
           - "Stir up trouble" is an interesting way of describing what you do.  milkyway   Nov-24-04 11:47 AM   #47 
           - Any chance you can get C-SPAN to cover your conference?  RevCheesehead   Nov-24-04 12:03 PM   #50 
           - Pardon me while my blood boils over!!!  Carl Brennan   Nov-24-04 02:01 PM   #59 
           - I p-mailed you. nt  Carl Brennan   Nov-24-04 06:02 PM   #66 
        - Disgusting. Frustrating. Sickening.  Left Brain   Nov-24-04 10:23 AM   #20 
        - I've got a question:  Carl Brennan   Nov-24-04 06:06 PM   #67 
        - Bev, do you realize what you've said?  demobabe   Nov-26-04 05:22 AM   #99 
           - I fail to see how 'years of legal experience' would cause lawyers to  BevHarris   Nov-27-04 11:46 PM   #108 
  - Thanks Bev!!  L84TEA   Nov-24-04 08:06 AM   #3 
  - Bev  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-24-04 08:21 AM   #6 
  - Why do our leaders not care?  freedom for all   Nov-24-04 08:49 AM   #7 
     - This kind of corruption has been going on for so long.  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-24-04 03:27 PM   #61 
     - precisely why i voted for ralph.  rainwoman   Nov-25-04 05:11 AM   #80 
        - Major cognitive dissonance  The Backlash Cometh   Nov-25-04 09:40 AM   #83 
  - Well... You know what they say - "Lies. D@mn lies... and Statistics"  MrUnderhill   Nov-24-04 08:51 AM   #8 
  - It's not the stats, it's a pattern of behavior  DoYouEverWonder   Nov-24-04 01:01 PM   #53 
     - Yeah, but David got Goliath  juajen   Nov-25-04 03:37 AM   #78 
  - KICK!  L84TEA   Nov-24-04 08:55 AM   #10 
  - Have you see the Ukrainian hypocrisy?  Junkdrawer   Nov-24-04 09:05 AM   #12 
  - Please post this at top level  electropop   Nov-24-04 10:18 AM   #17 
  - It was discussed yesterday, but with 2 more posts, you can start...  Junkdrawer   Nov-24-04 10:21 AM   #18 
  - We saw this on CNN last night. It was surreal  BevHarris   Nov-24-04 10:59 AM   #30 
     - Phony elections seem to be the latest trend, huh?  Junkdrawer   Nov-24-04 11:14 AM   #39 
     - Write CNN and complain  electropop   Nov-24-04 11:29 AM   #42 
  - Hi electropop.  intheflow   Nov-24-04 11:09 AM   #36 
     - Why, that's mighty neighborly, intheflow!  electropop   Nov-24-04 11:14 AM   #38 
        - I know at least three people in DC  intheflow   Nov-24-04 11:16 AM   #40 
           - At this moment I am sitting 2 blocks from the White House...  electropop   Nov-24-04 11:37 AM   #44 
           - deleted  electropop   Nov-24-04 11:37 AM   #45 
  - the HYPOCRACY OF United States telling another country that  pbartch   Nov-25-04 12:40 PM   #85 
  - This warrants serious consideration.  Cowboy Joe2k   Nov-26-04 12:33 AM   #96 
  - Bev, thank you. And please help me to understand something...  CantGetFooledAgain   Nov-24-04 09:05 AM   #13 
  - Why? Because it's too easy to stonewall Bev...  MrUnderhill   Nov-24-04 09:15 AM   #14 
  - Incorrect on most counts  BevHarris   Nov-24-04 10:53 AM   #25 
  - If fraud is proven - Bush can be removed from office - without impeachment  ElementaryPenguin   Nov-24-04 10:54 AM   #27 
     - Probably not.  intheflow   Nov-24-04 11:03 AM   #33 
     - Being the beneficiary of the fraud would be enough.  ElementaryPenguin   Nov-24-04 11:22 AM   #41 
        - In those elections there is always a higher authority that removes them  MrUnderhill   Nov-24-04 01:03 PM   #55 
     - A sitting prez can be forced out.  electropop   Nov-24-04 11:40 AM   #46 
     - Yes, but his party didn't control all exec. branches of gov'mt.  intheflow   Nov-24-04 11:56 AM   #49 
        - a concerted effort to vote them out  geo   Nov-25-04 11:13 PM   #91 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-26-04 12:28 AM   #95 
  - THE RePIGlicans will block her from testifying. I can't see them letting  pbartch   Nov-25-04 12:55 PM   #86 
  - this deserves a kick back to the top!!!!  LuCifer   Nov-24-04 10:00 AM   #16 
  - kick  ailsagirl   Nov-25-04 12:55 AM   #73 
  - THANK YOU BEV. N/T  Karenca   Nov-24-04 10:22 AM   #19 
  - kick  laruemtt   Nov-24-04 10:37 AM   #21 
  - Thanks, Bev, for all your hard work!  porkrind   Nov-24-04 10:45 AM   #23 
  - Why isn't ACLU on this? They have huge resources. nt  wiggs   Nov-24-04 10:46 AM   #24 
  - I thought of that...  ailsagirl   Nov-25-04 12:57 AM   #74 
  - BEV...........are you working with the ACLU?  pbartch   Nov-25-04 12:59 PM   #87 
  - A Sane Voice.....  grumpy old fart   Nov-24-04 10:54 AM   #26 
  - Central Vote Tabulation: Redux & Plea  understandinglife   Nov-24-04 11:01 AM   #31 
     - And don't forget a new attack point: the 'drop off' or 'depot'  BevHarris   Nov-24-04 11:07 AM   #34 
     - Simply, we have not had a valid election...  understandinglife   Nov-24-04 11:29 AM   #43 
     - Question -- Bev, do you think it would be helpful if...  understandinglife   Nov-24-04 11:50 AM   #48 
     - Olbermann  Alizaryn   Nov-24-04 05:14 PM   #65 
     - We MUST change the FRAME  Senator   Nov-25-04 03:36 AM   #77 
  - Dear Demo Party: A deed in the days to come is as good as none.  donkeyotay   Nov-24-04 10:55 AM   #28 
  - Thanks Bev for everything  Vidar   Nov-24-04 10:58 AM   #29 
  - THANK YOU BEV!!!!! n/t  jdog   Nov-24-04 11:01 AM   #32 
  - Thanks Bev!  intheflow   Nov-24-04 11:08 AM   #35 
  - I here that the Democrats are doing a lot now though.  gorbal   Nov-24-04 11:11 AM   #37 
  - Once again Thanks for keeping us informed and  AmerDem   Nov-24-04 12:04 PM   #51 
  - Thank you Bev, from the bottom of my heart!  OmmmSweetOmmm   Nov-24-04 12:47 PM   #52 
  - What Irvine Study  Rawls vs Nozick   Nov-24-04 01:01 PM   #54 
  - Thanks Bev!!!  SeattleRob   Nov-24-04 01:04 PM   #56 
  - First off, Thanks a million for what you are doing Bev...  SharifromOregon   Nov-24-04 01:13 PM   #57 
  - Welcome to the DU!!!  SeattleRob   Nov-24-04 01:26 PM   #58 
  - Bev, MANY THANKS to you and your whole team... you are awesome!  loudsue   Nov-24-04 03:10 PM   #60 
  - We can not trust them with our future unless we want no future  GetTheRightVote   Nov-24-04 04:03 PM   #62 
  - Would it be possible...  JaneEyrez   Nov-24-04 10:59 PM   #70 
     - what a great idea/question!  rainwoman   Nov-25-04 05:31 AM   #81 
     - I'm in Portland, OR isn't there some Atty named HENRY  pbartch   Nov-25-04 01:05 PM   #88 
     - Andy and I were talking about that. Appealing, isn't it?  BevHarris   Nov-27-04 11:28 PM   #105 
  - OH. MY. GOD.  NJ_Lib   Nov-24-04 04:13 PM   #63 
  - On Nov 3rd  tavalon   Nov-25-04 10:59 PM   #90 
  - Kick (n/t)  understandinglife   Nov-24-04 04:47 PM   #64 
  - Bev We Love You  AlexHamilton   Nov-24-04 06:47 PM   #68 
  - Kick! n/t  distantearlywarning   Nov-24-04 09:11 PM   #69 
  - kick  althecat   Nov-24-04 11:35 PM   #71 
  - Keep us posted Bev! Happy Thanksgiving  goclark   Nov-25-04 12:00 AM   #72 
  - Kick  JDStutts   Nov-25-04 02:44 AM   #75 
  - Thank You Bev!!  pauldp   Nov-25-04 03:15 AM   #76 
  - We MUST change the FRAME (unburied)  Senator   Nov-25-04 03:39 AM   #79 
  - You've made excellent points Senator, and  OmmmSweetOmmm   Nov-25-04 07:38 AM   #82 
  - I thought you were "non-partisan"  F.Gordon   Nov-25-04 12:21 PM   #84 
  - Now THAT is extremely sleazy!  markusd   Nov-25-04 01:09 PM   #89 
  - F. Gordon, your posts make no sense.  rhite5   Nov-26-04 12:07 AM   #94 
     - I'm no "special investigator".  F.Gordon   Nov-26-04 01:23 AM   #97 
        - Not a special investigator. Perhaps a poser?  BevHarris   Nov-27-04 11:36 PM   #106 
           - Now I'm a poser?  F.Gordon   Nov-29-04 02:12 AM   #109 
  - BEV PLEASE GUIDE US ON MADSEN REPORT.  jamboi   Nov-25-04 11:22 PM   #92 
  - Ed Schuster radio show has been trying to get BBV to respond  jamboi   Nov-26-04 01:50 AM   #98 
  - Challenge it head-on. Statistics are sufficient to prove adverse impact  lawladyprof   Nov-26-04 07:21 AM   #100 
  - Writ of Mandamus?  pat_k   Nov-26-04 11:20 PM   #101 
  - Call an International Press Conference  ignatzmouse   Nov-27-04 09:26 AM   #102 
  - kick kick kick n/t  senegal1   Nov-27-04 10:39 AM   #103 
  - Yes,we must gind international friends  goclark   Nov-27-04 10:40 AM   #104 
  - I saw you on Aaron Brown and was very proud  molly   Nov-27-04 11:43 PM   #107 
  - kick  DTinAZ   Nov-29-04 02:06 PM   #110 

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