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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-03 01:45 AM
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28. Keep'en at it.
Did I say not talk about the issue? No, I emphatically did not. I said, in essence, it's pointless to make charges for which there is no proof. That gains nothing.

No. You do worse, by choosing to dictate how the issue is framed, then attacking any one with a different interpretation, even as they may be using your OWN FACTS as conspiracy theorists. I will thus ask this of you again. How can you possibly NOT CONCLUDE that they are not attempting to "rig the election." A critical question given that it is YOUR task to provide evidence to culpability. The GOP is presumed innocent, and SHALL BE innocent, until the mater is raised with the public.

My friend, I've spent hundreds of hours researching this issue, and writing about it in the last several months. If I find that there is evidence of collusion, supportable in court, or by reasonable journalistic standards of proof, you can bet I'll be saying something about it.

But you are not saying this. You instead insist on giving the GOP the benefit of the doubt. Especially in light of past behavior in 2000 and 2002. 2002 also saw Diebold machines at work in Texas, whey the machine, not the voter, would select the candidate. What level of proof are you waiting for to call it rigging the election? Such conclusive evidence only exists in mathematics.

As for 10,000 people in the streets, that stopped the war, didn't it?

At least they tried.

The only way is to let people know that the law now is insufficient to the task of finding election fraud, and have them insist that their legislators change that. Without that, you don't have the tools to determine fraud, and it's your word against the word of someone else. That won't stand up--in the papers or in a court of law.

And pray tell, how do you think such public opinion is brought about? First, they must be informed. And informing the people means more than throwing facts and figures at them. As an investigator, you must present to them your findings AND your conclusions. You refuse to draw conclusions at all until any and all risk of failure is taken away by a level of proof and evidence that dose not exist. I am not talking about preparing a case for trial, but a case for the people.

Now, how have you helped to inform your legislators, your neighbors and yourself of the real issues in this matter?

And pray tell how can I do this, with no reinforcement from Democrats. Until and Democrat stand up and cries foul, none of us shall have credibility, despite having all of the fact in the world. Which is entirely my point. Until YOU stand up and say the election is being rigged, I don't have a brick to stand on.
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  -Carlyle Group making black box voting machines? WHERE ARE THE DEMS!!! Code_Name_D  Sep-03-03 11:17 PM   #0 
  - Maybe you want to "wield" the power instead of "wheeled" it.  SharonAnn   Sep-03-03 11:22 PM   #1 
  - I was just going to post the correction  quinnox   Sep-03-03 11:24 PM   #3 
  - Of course, you miss the point.  Code_Name_D   Sep-03-03 11:26 PM   #6 
  - can you provide a link to the article or citation  WheresWaldo   Sep-03-03 11:24 PM   #2 
  - Send the link to journalists  realFedUp   Sep-03-03 11:24 PM   #4 
  - Dean and Kucinich have BOTH spoken out about it  DEMActivist   Sep-03-03 11:25 PM   #5 
  - Yes Dem, I don't get it.  shance   Sep-03-03 11:30 PM   #7 
  - Is the GA democratic party totally corrupt?  AP   Sep-04-03 12:20 AM   #16 
     - I'm afraid so...  DEMActivist   Sep-04-03 01:30 AM   #25 
     - Cyntia McKinney?  Zhade   Sep-04-03 11:49 PM   #49 
        - One thing Cynthia McKinney is NOT is corrupt!  DEMActivist   Sep-05-03 12:16 AM   #50 
           - Okay, cool.  Zhade   Sep-05-03 02:41 PM   #51 
  - Okay, first, calm down a bit....  punpirate   Sep-03-03 11:31 PM   #8 
  - Breath in, breath out. It's not helping.  Code_Name_D   Sep-03-03 11:53 PM   #11 
     - Part of what induces people to believe this is conspiracy theory...  punpirate   Sep-04-03 12:12 AM   #13 
        - PunPirate -- as usual, I agree with you  BevHarris   Sep-04-03 12:24 AM   #17 
        - Posted something on the other board about it....  punpirate   Sep-04-03 01:16 AM   #23 
           - Some basic facts for you  DEMActivist   Sep-04-03 01:35 AM   #26 
           - Thanks. n/t  punpirate   Sep-04-03 01:58 AM   #32 
           - Hmm ... I just checked. Audit log is quite detailed  BevHarris   Sep-04-03 01:39 AM   #27 
              - So, GEMS computer at the election center....  punpirate   Sep-04-03 01:57 AM   #31 
              - Congresswoman Marcy Captor (D-OHIO) was on C-Span  mbee   Sep-04-03 10:20 PM   #46 
        - I am not impressed.  Code_Name_D   Sep-04-03 12:49 AM   #20 
           - You can shout to the rooftops that...  punpirate   Sep-04-03 01:04 AM   #21 
           - How about 10,000 protestors on the street?  Code_Name_D   Sep-04-03 01:10 AM   #22 
              - Did I say not talk about the issue?  punpirate   Sep-04-03 01:24 AM   #24 
                 - Keep'en at it.  Code_Name_D   Sep-04-03 01:45 AM   #28 
                    - A case in point.  Code_Name_D   Sep-04-03 10:41 PM   #47 
           - to me. it's like weights and measurements...  WHAT   Sep-04-03 01:48 AM   #29 
              - But then there's the other portion  DEMActivist   Sep-04-03 06:59 AM   #34 
  - About 90% of the people on this list have  higher class   Sep-03-03 11:34 PM   #9 
  - Democrats want election machine firm thrown out  AZTOY   Sep-03-03 11:37 PM   #10 
  - Nine steps  higher class   Sep-04-03 12:07 AM   #12 
  - yeah, where's that "hero" of the democrats, Ted Kennedy?  maggrwaggr   Sep-04-03 12:12 AM   #14 
  - Perhaps this Krugman quote is appropriate...  AP   Sep-04-03 12:19 AM   #15 
  - GREAT quote, GREAT summation of what we've got:  BevHarris   Sep-04-03 12:26 AM   #18 
  - Think about it...this has been building for 50 years  higher class   Sep-04-03 12:37 AM   #19 
  - In a sense, we've been a victim of our own success.  AP   Sep-04-03 01:57 AM   #30 
     - well said AP....  leftchick   Sep-04-03 05:32 AM   #33 
  - Dems are scared shitless otherwise...  salmonhorse   Sep-04-03 07:11 AM   #35 
  - Define "systemics"  BevHarris   Sep-04-03 07:17 AM   #36 
     - Systemic ~  salmonhorse   Sep-04-03 07:43 AM   #37 
  - Unfortunately, Democrats are afraid of being portrayed as "conspiricists"  kentuck   Sep-04-03 07:50 AM   #38 
  - Sorry, Kentuck, I have to disagree  DEMActivist   Sep-04-03 08:00 AM   #39 
     - Unfortunately, Kentuck's original assertion remains true.  Code_Name_D   Sep-04-03 10:12 PM   #42 
  - Have you called your representatives to support the Holt bill?  Cocoa   Sep-04-03 08:08 AM   #40 
  - My rep is "vacationing" in Iraq.  Code_Name_D   Sep-04-03 10:01 PM   #41 
  - Want me to call him?  God_bush_n_cheney   Sep-04-03 10:16 PM   #44 
     - ROFL, yep.  DEMActivist   Sep-04-03 10:19 PM   #45 
  - Sure have  DEMActivist   Sep-04-03 10:15 PM   #43 
  - kick for some interesting discussion down the thread  4dog   Sep-04-03 11:39 PM   #48 

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