Reply #17: I see what you mean

[Pig_Latin_Lover]

The way I see it, in order to effectively argue with the neocon shitheads and other Bush supporters, you have to take a step back and detach yourself and see things from a cost/gain scenario.

Certainly, there is the human side which is very much at the heart of why this situation is wrong, but the fact is that these fascist jerks don't want to have any human identification with what's going on. So, when arguing with them, you have to put things in the coldest, most logical terms in terms of, as you called it, "the game."

How are we going to win in Iraq if we keep killing the people we're trying to liberate? It's a very self-defeating strategy. How can we possibly even win this "war" on terrorism by conquering a nation? We haven't had one success by capturing Iraq in this war. This Zarqawi guy, who probably doesn't even exist, isn't in a brig. Saddam Hussein being in our custody doesn't stop the spread of terrorism in any way. What exactly is our objective here?

The very few successes we have had in this "war" haven't been the result of conquering a nation. It's great that we took out the Taliban in Afghanistan and put our puppet in charge over there, but let's not forget that the terrorists were also trained right here in the United States.

We won't "win" until we actually THINK. The Bush Administration doesn't want any thought.