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| 42. you didn't hear? He was a "perfumed prince" who "almost started WWIII" |
| -Why Did Wes Clark |
rsmith6621 |
Nov-16-04 12:36 PM |
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the Republicans labeled him a Republican |
shoelace414 |
Nov-16-04 12:38 PM |
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Many DUers did also |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Nov-16-04 08:57 PM |
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As did Dr. Dean. |
Bucky |
Nov-16-04 11:23 PM |
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Dean can't run if he's selected to head the DNC |
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin |
Nov-16-04 11:40 PM |
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they were regurgitating the Talking Point point from the RNC |
shoelace414 |
Nov-17-04 07:20 AM |
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he started too late in the process |
WI_DEM |
Nov-16-04 12:39 PM |
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That was probably it |
knight_of_the_star |
Nov-16-04 12:42 PM |
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We'll never know what could have happenned... |
DjTj |
Nov-16-04 06:16 PM |
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Agree - the late start in the front loaded process was it |
Jersey Devil |
Nov-16-04 01:49 PM |
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I think that's the ENTIRE reason right there - late start |
HuskerDem |
Nov-16-04 10:45 PM |
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Clark also got a late start, late funding. |
Ilsa |
Nov-16-04 12:40 PM |
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Agreed. Got into the race too late. By the time time he did... |
KrazyKat |
Nov-16-04 06:21 PM |
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He's not a politician - |
sparosnare |
Nov-16-04 12:40 PM |
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I agree.... |
Claire_beth |
Nov-17-04 01:31 PM |
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What really hurts |
ewagner |
Nov-16-04 12:42 PM |
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I don't know how |
charlie |
Nov-16-04 12:53 PM |
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He never received any media coverage either |
dist22dem |
Nov-16-04 12:43 PM |
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Don't you remember the lead up to his announcement? |
AP |
Nov-16-04 12:53 PM |
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The Media Ignored Him In Jan/Early Feb When It Counted |
loindelrio |
Nov-16-04 01:08 PM |
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Clark was chasing down Dean in late Dec and early Jan. He was the focus |
AP |
Nov-16-04 01:22 PM |
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Clark Can't, But I Can |
loindelrio |
Nov-16-04 02:30 PM |
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Here's a good study of media coverage: |
AP |
Nov-16-04 03:17 PM |
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My feeling about this is: |
AP |
Nov-16-04 12:52 PM |
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And who won? |
dogman |
Nov-16-04 04:15 PM |
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I think there's enough evidence that the more people thought about |
AP |
Nov-16-04 05:03 PM |
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And who thought the war wasn't the issue that would most affect people? |
dogman |
Nov-16-04 05:35 PM |
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According to the study in that link, more people cared about jobs... |
AP |
Nov-16-04 05:56 PM |
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I'm not sure how much you followed Clark's campaign. |
dogman |
Nov-16-04 07:29 PM |
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During the primaries people would often say in defense of their candidates |
AP |
Nov-16-04 07:54 PM |
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If Clark were only a General, he would be limited. |
dogman |
Nov-16-04 08:21 PM |
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Many Democrats have run for office and have downplayed their military... |
AP |
Nov-16-04 08:30 PM |
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I think he will make the determination based on the situation. |
dogman |
Nov-16-04 10:08 PM |
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He was more sincere |
Leilani |
Nov-16-04 12:57 PM |
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Which democratic candidates do you think told lies? |
AP |
Nov-16-04 12:58 PM |
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Do you want me to name names? |
Leilani |
Nov-16-04 01:00 PM |
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Why don't you name names AND lies, and we'll discuss. |
AP |
Nov-16-04 01:01 PM |
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John Kerry said he would |
Leilani |
Nov-16-04 01:11 PM |
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Just as a I thought. |
AP |
Nov-16-04 01:16 PM |
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It is not an insult |
Leilani |
Nov-16-04 01:39 PM |
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I think that Edwards's experience of life in America makes him more... |
AP |
Nov-16-04 01:44 PM |
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Look, I don't want to keep arguing. |
Leilani |
Nov-16-04 02:11 PM |
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I didn't bring Edwards into this. You did with your evidence of other |
AP |
Nov-16-04 02:17 PM |
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Long before the votes were cast Clark testified against |
Leilani |
Nov-16-04 02:59 PM |
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Whatever. |
AP |
Nov-16-04 03:33 PM |
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Then why didn't Americans buy Edwards? |
Sleepless In NY |
Nov-16-04 02:46 PM |
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How many times did Edwards visit Southern states? |
DjTj |
Nov-16-04 08:51 PM |
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A man changes from 1992 to 2003 |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-17-04 01:38 AM |
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Yes, I expressly remember |
crunchyfrog |
Nov-16-04 06:30 PM |
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That's not a lie. |
AP |
Nov-16-04 07:09 PM |
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You and I just have different definitions... |
crunchyfrog |
Nov-16-04 08:49 PM |
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When you find the definition of "highly qualified in FP and NS" |
AP |
Nov-17-04 09:52 AM |
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It's obvious that in the context of this debate |
crunchyfrog |
Nov-17-04 01:44 PM |
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In other words, Yes. Please name names. |
AP |
Nov-16-04 01:08 PM |
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The media dissed him. Dean, Kerry and Lieberman all ridiculed him. |
Kahuna |
Nov-16-04 01:06 PM |
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When did Kerry ridicule Clark? I thought they got along well, except when |
AP |
Nov-16-04 01:10 PM |
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I think it was Bob Dole who did that |
Sparkly |
Nov-16-04 01:26 PM |
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Kerry criticized Clark for being a "freshly minted Democrat." and also.. |
Kahuna |
Nov-16-04 01:33 PM |
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That's not exactly "ridicule" and were certainly things that would have |
AP |
Nov-16-04 01:37 PM |
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Your definition of ridicule is ridiculous. No offense. |
Kahuna |
Nov-16-04 11:07 PM |
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I'm not offended in the least. |
AP |
Nov-17-04 01:03 AM |
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I remember that. n/t |
HoosierClarkie |
Nov-16-04 01:38 PM |
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I could post a picture of one of Kerry's |
crunchyfrog |
Nov-16-04 06:41 PM |
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How do you know the walking point was something Kerry's campaign |
AP |
Nov-16-04 07:05 PM |
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I can't even tell what you're talking about |
crunchyfrog |
Nov-16-04 08:10 PM |
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OK. I'll try to make it simpler: |
AP |
Nov-16-04 08:14 PM |
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You excel in the art of inference AP. |
crunchyfrog |
Nov-16-04 09:50 PM |
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"Talking Point" is something walkers are given on campaigns and I thought |
AP |
Nov-17-04 01:07 AM |
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I don't know what in my post you would find confusing |
crunchyfrog |
Nov-17-04 10:34 AM |
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You're right, all the candidates kept bringing up Clark's "switch" |
Sleepless In NY |
Nov-16-04 02:52 PM |
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Actually, there never was any "switch" |
crunchyfrog |
Nov-16-04 06:59 PM |
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He had no democratic record |
Cheswick2.0 |
Nov-16-04 01:10 PM |
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if Lincoln Chaffee switched tomorrow would democrats complain? |
Sleepless In NY |
Nov-16-04 03:13 PM |
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That is a very inaccurate statement you're making. |
crunchyfrog |
Nov-16-04 07:14 PM |
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The media ignored him. |
in_cog_ni_to |
Nov-16-04 01:24 PM |
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They ignored Kerry and Edwards and they came in first and second. |
AP |
Nov-16-04 01:31 PM |
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Some Democrats |
HoosierClarkie |
Nov-16-04 01:37 PM |
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He is just too |
samtob |
Nov-16-04 01:46 PM |
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He is gorgeous... |
Ronnie |
Nov-16-04 02:12 PM |
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I think it was mostly a matter of logistics |
Sparkly |
Nov-16-04 01:48 PM |
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I was a Clarkie until he dropped out. I think what hurt him |
Killarney |
Nov-16-04 01:50 PM |
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I don't think he needs to run for Senate or Governor |
Sparkly |
Nov-16-04 01:57 PM |
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i hope he runs again in 08 |
teevee99 |
Nov-16-04 02:02 PM |
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you didn't hear? He was a "perfumed prince" who "almost started WWIII" |
Nordic |
Nov-16-04 02:34 PM |
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2 words: man titties! (Hawai) |
robbedvoter |
Nov-16-04 02:36 PM |
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Would have loved to see Bush & Clark in a debate on Iraq! |
MinnesotaMike31 |
Nov-16-04 03:07 PM |
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Words would have been useless: a killer look would have done it |
robbedvoter |
Nov-16-04 06:16 PM |
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I really never figured out how Kerry came on top. |
Cleita |
Nov-16-04 03:50 PM |
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dug back into the archives |
m berst |
Nov-16-04 04:22 PM |
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and then after Clark dropped out I wrote... |
m berst |
Nov-16-04 04:32 PM |
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Shit, M Berst, I didn't need to read that right now. Thanks a lot. |
Bucky |
Nov-16-04 11:30 PM |
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oh no |
m berst |
Nov-17-04 01:10 AM |
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Because he decided to traipse into politics without a political background |
JVS |
Nov-16-04 05:08 PM |
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tell that to Arnold Schwarzenegger! LOL! |
Sleepless In NY |
Nov-16-04 05:22 PM |
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I guess Arnold was lucky that he was popular enough to pull it off |
JVS |
Nov-16-04 05:40 PM |
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Clarks experience was very relevant to doing the job |
Jim4Wes |
Nov-16-04 05:35 PM |
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It wasn't relevant to getting elected. Which is very relevant to the job |
JVS |
Nov-16-04 05:41 PM |
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too bad grassroots support don't mean shit, huh. -eom |
Jim4Wes |
Nov-16-04 06:01 PM |
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Don't you remember? He was DRAFTED!!!!!!! |
Anti Bush |
Nov-16-04 05:44 PM |
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THANK YOU for pointing that out |
renate |
Nov-16-04 11:59 PM |
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It's been pointed out, but you may have missed it. |
dogman |
Nov-16-04 05:46 PM |
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A man of character |
zacho |
Nov-16-04 05:52 PM |
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I honestly think that it had most to do |
crunchyfrog |
Nov-16-04 06:09 PM |
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I second that. |
Anti Bush |
Nov-16-04 06:21 PM |
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"If he does run again, I will fight for him like a pitbull on steroids." |
sendero |
Nov-16-04 06:46 PM |
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He was Rove's worst nightmare - so they laid into him with all barrels |
robbedvoter |
Nov-16-04 06:24 PM |
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I supported Wes, but soon realized that he's not an experienced |
TexasSissy |
Nov-16-04 06:39 PM |
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He's not inexperienced now |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-16-04 08:55 PM |
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True enough. But Kerry had over 20 years of political experience... |
TexasSissy |
Nov-17-04 12:36 PM |
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Late entry into the game, skipped Iowa, BAD campaign organization. |
Cuban_Liberal |
Nov-16-04 06:48 PM |
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That's basically it |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-16-04 11:16 PM |
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BAD campaign organization |
m berst |
Nov-17-04 03:11 AM |
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I think the wing of the party that is anti-military anything comes out |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-16-04 07:58 PM |
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Actually the Dems called him a republican |
Donna Zen |
Nov-16-04 08:45 PM |
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I was trying to be "polite"; Rangle was high profile and very Pro-Clark |
Clarkie1 |
Nov-16-04 08:54 PM |
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Because he is a giant BORE... |
Placebo |
Nov-16-04 10:12 PM |
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" Because he is a giant BORE..." BULL |
Anti Bush |
Nov-16-04 10:38 PM |
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I disagree |
Sparkly |
Nov-16-04 10:41 PM |
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Sorry, dupe |
Anti Bush |
Nov-16-04 10:42 PM |
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Weird. The man has lived a fascinating life and made history. |
exJW |
Nov-16-04 11:27 PM |
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Nah...I dont like him but he was far from boring |
Forkboy |
Nov-17-04 02:31 AM |
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That was very constructive and helpful. |
crunchyfrog |
Nov-17-04 10:49 AM |
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B I N G O |
ArkDem |
Nov-17-04 05:18 PM |
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I contributed to the Draft Clark Movement... |
NurseLefty |
Nov-16-04 11:11 PM |
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One thing that most people tend to forget about Clark... |
Hippo_Tron |
Nov-16-04 11:22 PM |
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In pure political terms, he dropped out of Iowa. |
elperromagico |
Nov-17-04 01:41 AM |
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Yes indeedy |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-17-04 02:02 AM |
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He entered late |
fujiyama |
Nov-17-04 01:45 AM |
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Wes Clark is a statesman |
FrenchieCat |
Nov-17-04 02:45 AM |
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Frenchie, mon amie, you're right on the mark with this synopsis |
Husb2Sparkly |
Nov-17-04 03:59 AM |
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Wes Clark is the finest man to run for the Presidency in my lifetime... |
Totally Committed |
Nov-17-04 01:18 PM |
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I could Not have said it any better... |
mcscajun |
Nov-18-04 02:35 PM |
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Clark's been a great asset not imho a great candidate |
bklyncowgirl |
Nov-17-04 06:10 AM |
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Had any of the other candidates entered as late as Clark did |
Tom Rinaldo |
Nov-17-04 03:20 PM |
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Great post, you make when want to place money on it. :) |
Jim4Wes |
Nov-17-04 05:10 PM |
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The hearts he captured, he still has - no mean feat |
robbedvoter |
Nov-17-04 03:59 PM |
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It is already showing, robbed, IMO. n/t |
democratreformed |
Nov-18-04 02:51 PM |
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I agree, everything he said hit it for me. |
bhunt70 |
Nov-17-04 04:02 PM |
#133 |
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