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140. I am a pacifist MYSELF: I don't require everyone else to be.
I do not think that people who join the military are morally wrong. Would I prefer that we never went to war? Yes I would. Did I protest this war? Yes I did. Do I think it is morally, ethically, and lawfully wrong? Yes I do. Do I think the troops serving there are morally, ethically, or lawfully wrong? No I don't! They are doing their jobs! How can you not see the distinction?
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  -I've just watched, on the news, one of your marines shoot an unarmed, mr blur  Nov-15-04 04:13 PM   #0 
  - Agreed.  DrWeird   Nov-15-04 04:15 PM   #1 
  - KILLING FOR A PAYCHECK. I have NO respect...  radwriter0555   Nov-15-04 04:59 PM   #40 
  - Where are you from? Where did you watch this?  DuaneBidoux   Nov-15-04 04:15 PM   #2 
  - He's from the UK  LittleClarkie   Nov-15-04 04:19 PM   #8 
     - Yeah, but the British people didn't have any say in it.  DrWeird   Nov-15-04 04:21 PM   #10 
     - Blair's approval rating is still 2 points higher than his disapproval  Mike L   Nov-15-04 04:29 PM   #23 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-15-04 04:31 PM   #25 
        - Whew, you got deleted!  Mike L   Nov-15-04 04:44 PM   #33 
     - 49% of us didn't either  LittleClarkie   Nov-15-04 04:32 PM   #26 
     - Sorry but that Marine is a sick murderer...no sympathy from me  nothingshocksmeanymore   Nov-15-04 05:05 PM   #47 
     - unfortunately it reveals the new 'NORMAL' that must be prevalent  RyomaSakamoto   Nov-15-04 05:14 PM   #52 
     - that marine reflects a strong mindset in this country  ithacan   Nov-16-04 09:15 AM   #83 
     - I agree 100%. Some of the soldiers went to Iraq in eager  MISSDem   Nov-16-04 11:28 AM   #172 
     - Friend, mistreatment of Vietnam vets was extremely rare..  MnFats   Nov-15-04 05:12 PM   #50 
     - au contraire, i recall being called a baby killer  comradebillyboy   Nov-15-04 05:22 PM   #55 
     - Tell that to my father.  Selwynn   Nov-16-04 09:21 AM   #87 
        - I would happily be among the first to spit on this pig....  mike_c   Nov-16-04 09:36 AM   #100 
     - The only treatment this guy needs...  DrWeird   Nov-15-04 05:14 PM   #51 
     - Nor did most Americans  SoCalDem   Nov-15-04 10:33 PM   #66 
     - If you're from the UK your country has certainly been an enabler  DuaneBidoux   Nov-15-04 04:22 PM   #12 
        - I agree - put your money where your mouth is, original poster!  yardwork   Nov-16-04 12:24 PM   #197 
  - Yes this country is commiting atrocities...  physioex   Nov-15-04 04:16 PM   #3 
  - I'm sorry!!!! Truly, I am! That's all I know to say. n/t  democratreformed   Nov-15-04 04:17 PM   #4 
  - You're not alone.  DemCam   Nov-16-04 10:50 AM   # 
  - It sickens me that anyone can actually believe  Rainbowreflect   Nov-15-04 04:18 PM   #5 
  - I understand your feelings and I do feel the same way.  Nikepallas   Nov-15-04 04:18 PM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-15-04 04:19 PM   #7 
  - That and start organizing for Christs sake...send emails  DuaneBidoux   Nov-15-04 04:26 PM   #15 
  - I agree with you.  Blue State Native   Nov-15-04 04:20 PM   #9 
  - You are adding to the heartache of the good people in this forum  glarius   Nov-15-04 04:22 PM   #11 
  - If you're from Canada do your part too. I've tried to tell every  DuaneBidoux   Nov-15-04 04:31 PM   #24 
  - The good people of this forum...  DrWeird   Nov-15-04 05:02 PM   #44 
  - Pot and the Kettle sweets  HuskerDem   Nov-15-04 04:24 PM   #13 
  - Linkage?  Jack_DeLeon   Nov-15-04 04:24 PM   #14 
  - Mad Cowboys Have Stolen Our Elections and Hijacked Our Country  AndyTiedye   Nov-15-04 04:27 PM   #16 
  - Agreed!  GumboYaYa   Nov-15-04 04:28 PM   #17 
  - Whoa there.  cornermouse   Nov-15-04 04:28 PM   #18 
  - Well he did say "all the morons" who voted for him...  Pacifist Patriot   Nov-16-04 10:33 AM   #146 
  - I'm just glad that the soldiers of the Empire would never have  ArkDem   Nov-15-04 04:28 PM   #19 
  - Where are you?  scarletwoman   Nov-15-04 04:28 PM   #20 
  - where was this video shown?  Malva Zebrina   Nov-15-04 04:28 PM   #21 
  - It will be here:  mr blur   Nov-15-04 04:34 PM   #27 
  - Can't find the link. I did find a link but it said that broadband  DuaneBidoux   Nov-15-04 04:58 PM   #39 
  - It was just shown on Wolf Blitzer.  RebelOne   Nov-15-04 05:03 PM   #45 
  - Look, I'm sorry,  mr blur   Nov-15-04 04:29 PM   #22 
  - I understand your anger...  leftchick   Nov-15-04 04:37 PM   #28 
  - I'm So, So Sorry....  SudieJD   Nov-16-04 08:56 AM   #78 
  - we feel the same anger as you  Nordic   Nov-15-04 04:40 PM   #31 
  - He's not joking. That is all the coverage our press gives us.  Bluebear   Nov-15-04 04:42 PM   #32 
  - Is ok mr blur..  laylah   Nov-15-04 05:07 PM   #48 
  - It was a gut reaction I hold no heart feelings I'd probably go off myself  Nikepallas   Nov-15-04 05:09 PM   #49 
  - while I agree with your sentiment,  HamdenRice   Nov-15-04 07:13 PM   #63 
  - Don't blame me, I voted for John Kerry.  Sparkle   Nov-15-04 04:38 PM   #29 
  - Don't blame me, I voted for Kerry button  HuskerDem   Nov-15-04 05:18 PM   #54 
  - I assume you're in the UK . . .  Journeyman   Nov-15-04 04:39 PM   #30 
  - Well, I'm not sure  mr blur   Nov-15-04 04:50 PM   #35 
     - Why are you screaming at us? None of us voted for the sorry SOB  doni_georgia   Nov-15-04 04:55 PM   #38 
     - So is Labour going to dump the Poodle? I sure haven't seen  DuaneBidoux   Nov-15-04 05:00 PM   #42 
     - You really know a lot of Americans I see  Logansquare   Nov-15-04 05:17 PM   #53 
     - You obviously have a tabloid  KCabotDullesMarxIII   Nov-15-04 05:46 PM   #58 
  - If this truly happened...  manic expression   Nov-15-04 04:45 PM   #34 
  - Fuck me? No, fuck you!  Redleg   Nov-15-04 04:51 PM   #36 
  - You're preaching to the choir here---  Shopaholic   Nov-15-04 05:25 PM   #57 
  - Yeah, Fuck you!  HFishbine   Nov-16-04 12:34 PM   #198 
     - You're trying to change things by posting on DU?  Redleg   Nov-17-04 11:05 AM   #202 
  - We're Already Fucked  AndyTiedye   Nov-15-04 04:54 PM   #37 
  - What are you going to say when Tony Blair is re-elected?  istherehope   Nov-15-04 05:00 PM   #41 
  - Do you think it will be any different with a  peach720   Nov-16-04 05:55 AM   #68 
     - Oh, I see then................... Boo hoo hoo we can't do anything about  HuskerDem   Nov-16-04 10:18 AM   #132 
  - No need to get tribal on us, man!  jefferson_dem   Nov-15-04 05:00 PM   #43 
  - Story behind the Famous Picture  markclemens   Nov-15-04 10:27 PM   #64 
     - thanks for the background.  Hey Zeus   Nov-15-04 10:32 PM   #65 
  - we didn't elect him! They cheated using e-voting!  AIndependentTexan   Nov-15-04 05:04 PM   #46 
  - OMG... I just saw it on BBCAmerica..... I wish I hadn't....  leftchick   Nov-15-04 05:23 PM   #56 
  - It shouldn't suprise you ... this is war and he is a Marine  zeek   Nov-15-04 06:15 PM   #61 
     - uh yes it can be prevented....  leftchick   Nov-15-04 07:09 PM   #62 
     - Not to mention...  janesez   Nov-16-04 09:04 AM   #81 
  - don't forget . . . these guys that are being trained and prompted to . . .  OneBlueSky   Nov-15-04 06:05 PM   #59 
  - or one of them  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 10:16 AM   #131 
  - BBC World on local public station censored the video.  Postman   Nov-15-04 06:10 PM   #60 
  - german news sources didn't  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 08:47 AM   #73 
  - england sucks too.  Hey Zeus   Nov-15-04 10:33 PM   #67 
  - Actually  peach720   Nov-16-04 06:02 AM   #69 
  - I don't believe you have the whole story...  tryn2getit   Nov-16-04 06:11 AM   #70 
  - did you watch the video (unedited video link)  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 08:50 AM   #75 
  - What I am sickened by  FlaGranny   Nov-16-04 09:31 AM   #94 
  - Seems You Are Speculating To Fit Facts To Your Belief System  mhr   Nov-16-04 09:36 AM   #97 
  - "he shot in self-defense..."  mike_c   Nov-16-04 09:49 AM   #112 
  - Up yours freeper....  truebrit71   Nov-16-04 11:56 AM   #195 
  - CNN just showed it.  in_cog_ni_to   Nov-16-04 06:31 AM   #71 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-16-04 08:29 AM   #72 
  - Yeah, I saw it too. What do you want, mr blur, an apology?  End of all Hope   Nov-16-04 08:49 AM   #74 
  - we haven't done shit  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 09:00 AM   #80 
     - So what exactly would you have us do?  End of all Hope   Nov-16-04 09:10 AM   #82 
        - well . . .  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 09:57 AM   #117 
  - Well Stated. A Sentiment Shared By Many Who Live Here...  arwalden   Nov-16-04 08:50 AM   #76 
  - Just because they call themselves Christian doesn't  leftynyc   Nov-16-04 09:29 AM   #91 
     - That's Why I See It As An "-ism" (izzum)  arwalden   Nov-16-04 09:36 AM   #98 
  - your expectations of us are too high  SlavesandBulldozers   Nov-16-04 08:54 AM   #77 
  - Here is a clue for you...  TryingToWarnYou   Nov-16-04 08:59 AM   #79 
  - SUPPORT FOR OUR TROOPS  janesez   Nov-16-04 09:17 AM   #84 
  - You believe propaganda and lies?  RBHam   Nov-16-04 09:18 AM   #85 
  - BBC America and NPR are propaganda and lies?  janesez   Nov-16-04 09:20 AM   #86 
     - And that's your biggest problem.  Selwynn   Nov-16-04 09:38 AM   #103 
     - I'll just use duplicate posts here.  janesez   Nov-16-04 09:44 AM   #108 
        - please  CWebster   Nov-16-04 09:47 AM   #110 
     - Yes  RBHam   Nov-16-04 09:54 AM   #115 
        - BBC and NPR are the most non-partial sources I've been able to find.  janesez   Nov-16-04 10:04 AM   #121 
           - That.... is why you fail. :)  Selwynn   Nov-16-04 10:20 AM   #137 
  - These marines must be tried for murder.  The Stranger   Nov-16-04 09:25 AM   #88 
  - Well, duh. But how are the Marines responsible for that?  janesez   Nov-16-04 09:26 AM   #89 
     - Then you concede the point.  The Stranger   Nov-16-04 09:27 AM   #90 
     - They have no choice in the matter.  janesez   Nov-16-04 09:31 AM   #93 
        - What are they supposed to do?  The Stranger   Nov-16-04 09:37 AM   #102 
        - What, lay down their gun and surrender?  janesez   Nov-16-04 09:40 AM   #106 
           - yes, fight  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 10:12 AM   #126 
              - Well, BBC America said this morning that many Iraqi insurgents  janesez   Nov-16-04 10:16 AM   #129 
                 - Maybe you should think about this:  The Stranger   Nov-16-04 10:19 AM   #136 
                 - I am a pacifist MYSELF: I don't require everyone else to be.  janesez   Nov-16-04 10:25 AM   #140 
                    - For Peace to exist (as in Pacifism),it usually takes more than one person.  The Stranger   Nov-16-04 10:43 AM   #150 
                 - well geez  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 10:25 AM   #141 
                 - How long is the "one man" excuse going to hold water...  Selwynn   Nov-16-04 10:27 AM   #142 
        - You not only have a choice, you have an OBLIGATION to refuse an illegal...  Selwynn   Nov-16-04 10:22 AM   #138 
     - Just Following Orders  RBHam   Nov-16-04 09:29 AM   #92 
  - We SUPPORT the troops by not excusing, condoning or rationalizing murder.  Selwynn   Nov-16-04 09:33 AM   #95 
  - I saw it.  janesez   Nov-16-04 09:37 AM   #101 
     - I am so sure  Selwynn   Nov-16-04 09:52 AM   #113 
  - Blame the victims, okay.  FlaGranny   Nov-16-04 09:35 AM   #96 
  - Shoot back, of course.  janesez   Nov-16-04 09:38 AM   #104 
     - I blame the insurgents when they commit crimes, just like I do soldiers  Selwynn   Nov-16-04 09:54 AM   #114 
        - So do I.  janesez   Nov-16-04 09:56 AM   #116 
        - let's use the right terms here  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 10:04 AM   #122 
           - That's a good catch, thanks. I blame patriots when they commit crimes.  Selwynn   Nov-16-04 10:16 AM   #130 
  - "Support our troops" is a publicity ploy  CWebster   Nov-16-04 09:36 AM   #99 
  - I do not support the war.  janesez   Nov-16-04 09:39 AM   #105 
     - Someone above noted  CWebster   Nov-16-04 09:44 AM   #107 
     - What's that old rule? Whenever somebody brings up the Nazis  janesez   Nov-16-04 09:45 AM   #109 
        - What's winning got to do with it?  CWebster   Nov-16-04 09:49 AM   #111 
        - My point is that  janesez   Nov-16-04 10:00 AM   #118 
           - Look around - it is not only if you are blind to the facts.  TankLV   Nov-16-04 10:08 AM   #124 
           - You need to take two steps back and apologize for the word "honorably"  Selwynn   Nov-16-04 10:15 AM   #127 
           - Why not?  CWebster   Nov-16-04 10:18 AM   #133 
              - Listen carefully: I AGREE WITH YOU.  janesez   Nov-16-04 10:22 AM   #139 
                 - but we do KNOW  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 10:28 AM   #143 
                    - Exactly. (nt)  Selwynn   Nov-16-04 10:36 AM   #147 
        - What's that old rule? When it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck,  TankLV   Nov-16-04 10:05 AM   #123 
     - they have a choice  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 10:19 AM   #135 
  - branding/marketing ploy  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 10:00 AM   #119 
  - Did you see Farenheit 9-11?  janesez   Nov-16-04 10:03 AM   #120 
     - look  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 10:09 AM   #125 
     - Now you are changing your tune?  TankLV   Nov-16-04 10:15 AM   #128 
     - I disagree.  janesez   Nov-16-04 10:18 AM   #134 
        - I do to. But this not yesterday's honerable military.  TankLV   Nov-16-04 11:19 AM   #164 
     - It is not true that only the poor  MISSDem   Nov-16-04 12:17 PM   #196 
  - I cannot believe I am the only person on this thread who thinks  janesez   Nov-16-04 10:30 AM   #144 
  - don't get mad  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 10:31 AM   #145 
  - Psyops is working!  pbl   Nov-16-04 11:47 AM   #192 
  - like clint eastwood said in "unforgiven"...  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 10:36 AM   #148 
  - boy  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 10:39 AM   #149 
     - is it your contention that he was not armed to start  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 10:44 AM   #151 
        - i won't do your work for you . . .  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 10:47 AM   #152 
           - i have seen it.  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 10:50 AM   #153 
              - well your recanting  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 10:57 AM   #154 
                 - do you feel all our troops are liars and murderers..  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 10:58 AM   #155 
                    - can you please ask  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:00 AM   #156 
                       - your disgust with our armed forces makes no sense to me  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:01 AM   #157 
                          - yeah  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:10 AM   #159 
                             - you don't seem to like..  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:11 AM   #160 
                                - yes  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:14 AM   #161 
                                - innocent as in civilian...  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:16 AM   #162 
                                   - what do you mean by source?  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:22 AM   #166 
                                      - i simply reserve judgement to hear the facts...  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:23 AM   #167 
                                         - how do you know  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:27 AM   #171 
                                            - source for what?  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:32 AM   #177 
                                               - i was being sarcastic  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:33 AM   #178 
                                                  - actually..  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:34 AM   #180 
                                                  - what do i not know?  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:37 AM   #181 
                                                  - i have not tried to convince you of anything...  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:37 AM   #183 
                                                  - then why are you still posting?  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:40 AM   #186 
                                                  - not really...  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:48 AM   #194 
                                                  - btw  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:38 AM   #184 
                                                  - not you. or me.  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:40 AM   #185 
                                                  - do you refuse  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:44 AM   #189 
                                                  - the soldiers on the ground, their commanding officers...  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:46 AM   #191 
                                - or how about  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:18 AM   #163 
                                   - i support our troops in their mission...  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:19 AM   #165 
                                      - they fight for my freedom  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:23 AM   #168 
                                         - do you hate them so?  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:26 AM   #170 
                                            - woo boy  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:28 AM   #173 
                                               - ok, do you dislike them so?(nt)  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:30 AM   #175 
                                                  - what are you?/what are you on?  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:31 AM   #176 
                                                     - really...  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:37 AM   #182 
                                                     - *Could*  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:42 AM   #187 
                                                     - *could* indicating some experience.  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:44 AM   #188 
                                                     - why'd you make the transition  datasuspect   Nov-16-04 11:45 AM   #190 
                                                     - what transition?  Hey Zeus   Nov-16-04 11:47 AM   #193 
  - Another thing to consider...  RBHam   Nov-16-04 11:02 AM   #158 
  - Abu Ghraib made the prisoner option a bit less desirable  NewYorkerfromMass   Nov-16-04 11:30 AM   #174 
  - And so far, American citizens  Karenina   Nov-16-04 11:33 AM   #179 
  - i say FUCK that Marine FUCK bush FUCK rumsfeld may they ROT in HELL  ElsewheresDaughter   Nov-16-04 11:24 AM   #169 
  - I wish I could apologize for this and make it all go away, but I can't.  Ironpost   Nov-16-04 12:41 PM   #199 
  - Real nice  JohnJohnson   Nov-16-04 01:32 PM   #200 
     - Considering Blair's party is expected to win the next election...  SemiCharmedQuark   Nov-16-04 04:42 PM   #201 
 

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