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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 10:55 AM
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45. Okay, I'll admit
I hadn't had my caffine fix this morning...

We are in agreement on a number of things, including the difference between faith and dogma. That seems to be the problem with people here. They keep hearing the word FUNDIE every time someone says the word spirituality.

I don't even try to reconcile my "western" mind to my belief system. I'm fairly internally consistent when it comes to my spirituality and morality meshing. Where I would get dissonance between my "magical" (following the terms of your argument) abilities and my rational, orderly science-oriented mind, I simply let the western side claim it's superiority as it will. I think folks who can't admit that they are, by nature, internally incosistent are the ones who try to disprove it most. Usually by claiming religious superiority (Fundie Southern Baptist) or moral or intellectual superiority (Many DU-er's in this thread). Either way, it suggests an inability to view things critically or holistically.

Thanks for your patience with my impatience and thanks for taking the time to expand your thesis a bit. It did help.

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     - My point?  aneerkoinos   Nov-15-04 10:24 AM   #37 
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              - Runs what risk?  sangh0   Nov-15-04 01:42 PM   #72 
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                    - Boy, is that the stupidest argument I've heard today  sangh0   Nov-15-04 03:28 PM   #97 
                       - Oh come now!  IMModerate   Nov-15-04 04:00 PM   #108 
                          - Wrong again  sangh0   Nov-15-04 04:09 PM   #112 
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        - Please  aneerkoinos   Nov-15-04 12:41 PM   #54 
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                    - You lecture too much  sangh0   Nov-15-04 03:44 PM   #102 
                       - You denigrate yourself  aneerkoinos   Nov-15-04 04:38 PM   #118 
                          - Making more stuff up won't help you  sangh0   Nov-15-04 04:43 PM   #120 
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     - let's see if I understand  m berst   Nov-15-04 01:41 PM   #71 
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           - false association  m berst   Nov-15-04 01:57 PM   #79 
           - the concept of "evil"  m berst   Nov-15-04 02:01 PM   #80 
              - are you saying that without religion there would be no evil?  lil-petunia   Nov-15-04 02:08 PM   #81 
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                 - "Christians" aren't a species  m berst   Nov-15-04 02:35 PM   #89 
                    - You conveniently ignore my point.  IMModerate   Nov-15-04 03:02 PM   #92 
                       - false assumptions here  m berst   Nov-15-04 03:29 PM   #99 
                          - I am not criticizing all Christians.  IMModerate   Nov-15-04 03:47 PM   #104 
                             - Why don't you know anything about what you post?  sangh0   Nov-15-04 03:55 PM   #107 
                             - Grasp those straws!  IMModerate   Nov-15-04 05:49 PM   #127 
                                - back  m berst   Nov-15-04 10:59 PM   #139 
                                   - You said Hitler was an atheist.  IMModerate   Nov-16-04 08:58 AM   #142 
                                      - Hitler WAS an atheist  sangh0   Nov-16-04 09:44 AM   #143 
                                         - That describes a lunatic, not an atheist.  IMModerate   Nov-16-04 09:51 AM   #144 
                                         - Hitler was a lunatic?  sangh0   Nov-16-04 09:58 AM   #145 
                                         - Your description.  IMModerate   Nov-16-04 10:10 AM   #148 
                             - define "good"  m berst   Nov-15-04 04:07 PM   #111 
                                - I have no religion and I can tell good from evil.  IMModerate   Nov-15-04 06:17 PM   #129 
                                   - Evaluating religions  aneerkoinos   Nov-15-04 06:52 PM   #132 
                                   - I agree.  IMModerate   Nov-15-04 07:10 PM   #137 
                                   - good and evil  m berst   Nov-15-04 10:26 PM   #138 
                 - you are arguing with a straw man  m berst   Nov-15-04 02:28 PM   #87 
                 - Philosophy  aneerkoinos   Nov-15-04 03:30 PM   #101 
                    - Wrong again  sangh0   Nov-15-04 03:45 PM   #103 
                    - yes  m berst   Nov-15-04 03:53 PM   #106 
                 - Good and evil  aneerkoinos   Nov-15-04 03:28 PM   #98 
     - Ratio and music  aneerkoinos   Nov-15-04 03:16 PM   #93 
        - good point  m berst   Nov-15-04 05:03 PM   #123 
           - Actually  aneerkoinos   Nov-15-04 06:23 PM   #130 
              - fascinating  m berst   Nov-15-04 07:05 PM   #135 
  - Credo quid absurdum est  aneerkoinos   Nov-15-04 01:35 PM   #67 
     - Holistic is not based on or related to holy  IMModerate   Nov-15-04 02:13 PM   #83 
        - Correct me if I'm wrong  aneerkoinos   Nov-15-04 03:02 PM   #91 
           - Etymologically connected.  IMModerate   Nov-15-04 03:20 PM   #94 
              - Differences and samenesses  aneerkoinos   Nov-15-04 04:06 PM   #110 
                 - science has reached it's limits, it's far from done,  rman   Nov-15-04 06:44 PM   #131 
                 - I think materialism is non-dualistic.  IMModerate   Nov-15-04 06:52 PM   #133 
                    - Dualism  aneerkoinos   Nov-16-04 07:28 AM   #140 
                    - I am using dualism to represent separation of mind and body.  IMModerate   Nov-16-04 11:33 AM   #149 
                       - Mind and body  aneerkoinos   Nov-16-04 01:51 PM   #150 
                    - Non-dualism  aneerkoinos   Nov-16-04 10:06 AM   #147 
  - The Puritan gene Pool  Axel   Nov-15-04 01:53 PM   #76 
  - I like it as a theory.  lil-petunia   Nov-15-04 01:56 PM   #78 
     - I just started reading this post and was going to add my 2 cents..  Radicalliberal   Nov-15-04 05:31 PM   #125 
  - God gene? sounds more like bi-polar  Javaman   Nov-15-04 02:26 PM   #86 
  - they've got genes for everything now...  seaj11   Nov-15-04 02:41 PM   #90 
  - Bow down to your god, DU-ers  Politicub   Nov-15-04 04:09 PM   #113 
  - There was an article published about 2 years ago ....  Trajan   Nov-15-04 06:03 PM   #128 
  - Surprise, surprise.  Orion523   Nov-15-04 07:07 PM   #136 
  - It's cultural  shrike   Nov-16-04 10:03 AM   #146 
 

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