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Reply #15: You can't overturn a verdict on the evidence anyway. Only on the law. [View All]

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Fri Nov-12-04 04:33 PM
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15. You can't overturn a verdict on the evidence anyway. Only on the law.

The appeals court has to respect a jury's finding of fact unless it is way beyond what a reasonable person would conclude -- only if it totally defies logic.

Do you have a link for an explanation why the juror was dismissed. I doubt it was because he was a holdout. It was either because he prejudged the evidence or based his decision on something he heard outside the trial.

If he said he was basing his judgment that the evidence was bunk on something he saw on entertainment tonight then they would have been right to dismiss him.

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-Scott Peterson case dismissed foreman: "The evidence was garbage"	Bluebear	Nov-12-04 03:58 PM	#0
- Agreed.	DrWeird	Nov-12-04 03:59 PM	#1
- I think we may be in the minority	Bluebear	Nov-12-04 04:00 PM	#3
- Nothing brings out the bloodthirsty conservative in people...	DrWeird	Nov-12-04 04:12 PM	#6
- I never thought...	Bluebear	Nov-12-04 04:21 PM	#9
- How the HELL can they dismiss a juror just because...	PROGRESSIVE1	Nov-12-04 03:59 PM	#2
- How the hell can they throw ballots out just because...	Ducks In A Row	Nov-12-04 04:02 PM	#4
- Indeed. nt	Bluebear	Nov-12-04 04:03 PM	#5
- "The evidence is garbage" is probably why	sangh0	Nov-12-04 04:17 PM	#7
- Huh?	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 04:20 PM	#8
- Wonderful avatar....I met her a few years ago	Bluebear	Nov-12-04 04:22 PM	#10
- Inspirational	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 04:37 PM	#20
- I'll clarify	sangh0	Nov-12-04 04:37 PM	#19
- This is how prosecutors work, they throw all the spaghetti	kostya	Nov-12-04 05:44 PM	#71
- Sounds like he said it AFTER seeing the evidence	Ducks In A Row	Nov-12-04 04:43 PM	#27
- Read H2O Man's post near the end of the thread	sangh0	Nov-12-04 04:51 PM	#34
- An anonymous source	H2O Man	Nov-12-04 05:23 PM	#53
- Thanks	sangh0	Nov-12-04 05:26 PM	#55
- Sure.	H2O Man	Nov-12-04 05:32 PM	#58
- Now THAT I completely missed	sangh0	Nov-12-04 05:32 PM	#60
- Not unless they had two stories	H2O Man	Nov-12-04 05:46 PM	#75
- Okay. Got it. n/t	mountainvue	Nov-12-04 05:45 PM	#73
- And he was dismissed	mountainvue	Nov-12-04 05:43 PM	#69
- No he was not.	H2O Man	Nov-12-04 05:48 PM	#77
- Fry in hell!	Generator	Nov-12-04 04:22 PM	#11
- Well, excuse me for posting!	Bluebear	Nov-12-04 04:26 PM	#12
- Contrary to popular opinion, "circumstantial" evidence isn't bad evidence,	AP	Nov-12-04 04:28 PM	#13
- I never meant to imply it's bad evidence	Bluebear	Nov-12-04 04:30 PM	#14
- You can't overturn a verdict on the evidence anyway. Only on the law.	AP	Nov-12-04 04:33 PM	#15
- No I think it's still too early for links about the jurors	Bluebear	Nov-12-04 04:34 PM	#16
- Then maybe it's too early for posts like the OP here?	AP	Nov-12-04 04:37 PM	#18
- The OP said 'reported on CNN.'	Bluebear	Nov-12-04 04:38 PM	#22
- Usually a bit more conclusive	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 04:36 PM	#17
- TMOT, there's been MUCH flimsier	sangh0	Nov-12-04 04:39 PM	#23
- Well that's true	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 04:45 PM	#28
- The circumstantial evidence was a bit overwhelming.	AP	Nov-12-04 04:40 PM	#24
- A bunch of shit?	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 04:47 PM	#31
- Where'd they find her body?	AP	Nov-12-04 04:47 PM	#32
- That's what I said	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 04:52 PM	#35
- How many bodies do they pull from the East Bay every year? Three? How	AP	Nov-12-04 04:56 PM	#38
- Gee	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 05:35 PM	#61
- Bad analogy	sangh0	Nov-12-04 05:40 PM	#65
- They did find Ms H's wallet at her bf's place of work.	AP	Nov-12-04 05:44 PM	#70
- Electrocute him, you bet	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 06:09 PM	#
- Don't worry. That guy hasn't even been charged.	AP	Nov-12-04 06:12 PM	#88
- That's the whole point	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 06:13 PM	#89
- Hello? If they didn't have evidence on Peterson they would have treated	AP	Nov-12-04 06:16 PM	#91
- Different prosecutors	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 06:23 PM	#92
- Same America. Here's what I think: white middle class men who commit	AP	Nov-12-04 06:29 PM	#96
- Uhm, you side-stepped my question	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 06:38 PM	#99
- I don't understand the question or its relevance.	AP	Nov-12-04 06:50 PM	#103
- Let's call it	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 07:32 PM	#109
- I have no idea	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 05:58 PM	#84
- I see.	sangh0	Nov-12-04 08:14 PM	#110
- I think you're proving my point. Pregnant women with cheating boyfriends	AP	Nov-12-04 05:42 PM	#68
- Which isn't proof of guilt	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 05:51 PM	#79
- Which is why they haven't pressed charges yet. Duh.	AP	Nov-12-04 05:56 PM	#83
- Looking for evidence	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 06:07 PM	#85
- And they wouldn't have charged Peterson with as little evidence.	AP	Nov-12-04 06:09 PM	#86
- I had a "hunch"	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 06:11 PM	#87
- What are you basing this antipathy towards the Peterson jury upon?	AP	Nov-12-04 06:14 PM	#90
- Where he went fishing and where the body was found was an hour away	Quixote1818	Nov-12-04 08:26 PM	#111
- No.	mountainvue	Nov-12-04 05:15 PM	#50
- Some people have been convicted of murder without a body being produced.	AP	Nov-12-04 06:23 PM	#93
- Very very few	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 06:46 PM	#102
- They didn't spend months talking about three pieces of evidence. There...	AP	Nov-12-04 06:55 PM	#106
- Motive	sandnsea	Nov-12-04 07:08 PM	#108
- it was very lame here because ...	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 04:41 PM	#25
- And that's according to Entertainment Tonight?	AP	Nov-12-04 04:43 PM	#26
- hey, it won a Peabody or something ...	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 04:55 PM	#37
- It's a court of law, not a science laboratory	sangh0	Nov-12-04 04:58 PM	#39
- Maybe the jury heard that he bought duct tape and plastic wrap and they...	AP	Nov-12-04 05:01 PM	#40
- geez, AP, I bought some duct tape last week.	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 05:02 PM	#42
- Are you cheating on your pregnant wife? Is she going to turn up dead	AP	Nov-12-04 05:08 PM	#44
- well ...	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 05:20 PM	#52
- Physical evidence is not what you think it is	sangh0	Nov-12-04 05:31 PM	#57
- exactly, even that ...	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 05:32 PM	#59
- But that point isn't accurate	sangh0	Nov-12-04 05:36 PM	#63
- how ...	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 05:38 PM	#64
- I saw you	sangh0	Nov-12-04 05:40 PM	#67
- You saw me?	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 05:46 PM	#74
- You can't distract me,	sangh0	Nov-12-04 05:50 PM	#78
- ok ...	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 06:26 PM	#94
- Yes, it's a "swearing match"	sangh0	Nov-12-04 06:54 PM	#104
- crap cases ...	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 07:01 PM	#107
- Sorry but ...	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 05:01 PM	#41
- You think there weren't people like you on that jury, and that the judge	AP	Nov-12-04 05:05 PM	#43
- remember this ...	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 05:13 PM	#47
- Justice fails when innocent people have incompetent defenses.	AP	Nov-12-04 05:18 PM	#51
- Well said.	H2O Man	Nov-12-04 05:40 PM	#66
- I think it's important to note, that no one here was on that jury	Castilleja	Nov-12-04 05:47 PM	#76
- Well, I"m glad to hear that	sangh0	Nov-12-04 05:09 PM	#45
- You'd want Peppbelly on your jury if you were justly accused.	AP	Nov-12-04 05:14 PM	#48
- Well	sangh0	Nov-12-04 05:15 PM	#49
- I do not know why ...	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 05:26 PM	#54
- Lighten up. It was joke. If you'll only convict people with direct totally	AP	Nov-12-04 05:36 PM	#62
- peace and to tell the truth ... many shouldn't be who are convicted.	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 05:44 PM	#72
- What exactly was your role in these criminal investigations?	AP	Nov-12-04 05:51 PM	#80
- I was a criminal ...	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 06:28 PM	#95
- How many middle class white men charged with crimes against	AP	Nov-12-04 06:33 PM	#98
- didn't get to deal much with white middle class men ...	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 06:39 PM	#100
- And then you take that to court, and if the defendant doesn't have a good	AP	Nov-12-04 06:43 PM	#101
- maybe ...	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 06:55 PM	#105
- There is very little chance of the death penalty	H2O Man	Nov-12-04 05:51 PM	#81
- He's also a white man who committed a crime against his wife. I suspect	AP	Nov-12-04 05:53 PM	#82
- If it were in Texas, Oklahoma, or Florida, he would get dripolated. nt	Pepperbelly	Nov-12-04 06:30 PM	#97
- True and false.	H2O Man	Nov-12-04 04:45 PM	#29
- Direct evidence: video camera footage. A written admission of guilt.	AP	Nov-12-04 04:50 PM	#33
- hundreds of cases go to trial	H2O Man	Nov-12-04 05:29 PM	#56
- And how many people get released years later when real evidence shows up	Ducks In A Row	Nov-12-04 04:46 PM	#30
- When some real evidence comes along to exhonerate Peterson, they can	AP	Nov-12-04 04:52 PM	#36
- CNN had a story	H2O Man	Nov-12-04 04:38 PM	#21
- Where the hell was Geragos? n/t	mountainvue	Nov-12-04 05:10 PM	#46

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