Malva Zebrina
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Fri Nov-12-04 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #26 |
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Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 04:12 PM by Malva Zebrina
it becomes a "baby" and a "child" AFTER it is born. If it were declared a "baby" why that would lead to all sorts of legal ramifications. Why not take a tax break for the "child" and count it as one would count a born child for instance.
Fetus is the medical despcription and should be used in all legal tracts.
They got away with the "partial birth abortion" meme already, why seek to render some more false language into the equation. Or perhaps because it is more emotionally appealing to pro-life people--It is another misuse of the language.
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| -Second degree murder for a fetus? |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 03:33 PM |
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A baby who would have lived outside the womb. eom |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-12-04 03:34 PM |
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I don't know about would have |
Malva Zebrina |
Nov-12-04 03:37 PM |
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OK, a baby who presumably would have lived |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-12-04 04:43 PM |
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presumptions do not equal fact |
Malva Zebrina |
Nov-12-04 06:58 PM |
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The baby in the Peterson case was 1 month from delivery! |
ShaneGR |
Nov-12-04 07:04 PM |
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the fact is it was NOT a baby. |
Malva Zebrina |
Nov-12-04 07:16 PM |
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to compare a 8 and 1/3 month old |
H2O Man |
Nov-12-04 07:22 PM |
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I was born at 8 months, fully developed, over 8 lbs |
End of all Hope |
Nov-12-04 07:41 PM |
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It shared it's mother's system and until born, did not |
Malva Zebrina |
Nov-12-04 07:43 PM |
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It's obvious what your concern |
H2O Man |
Nov-12-04 07:48 PM |
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It doesn't matter if anyone agrees with me |
Malva Zebrina |
Nov-12-04 08:10 PM |
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yes, it seems that you don't. |
H2O Man |
Nov-12-04 08:59 PM |
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Between 8 and 8 1/2 months |
aprillcm |
Nov-12-04 07:06 PM |
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I understand the emotional connection. I have had children myself |
Malva Zebrina |
Nov-12-04 07:22 PM |
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Explaining the differance. |
aprillcm |
Nov-12-04 07:37 PM |
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Happy medium? |
George_S |
Nov-12-04 07:49 PM |
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We agree on those points |
Malva Zebrina |
Nov-12-04 07:53 PM |
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And now we see why this is a wedge issue |
aprillcm |
Nov-12-04 08:16 PM |
#125 |
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Lets just put it this way |
I7G0D |
Nov-12-04 08:30 PM |
#126 |
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Crystal Ball |
George_S |
Nov-12-04 08:50 PM |
#127 |
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You are engaging in a lot of presumption yourself. |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-12-04 11:17 PM |
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Bingo- |
comsymp |
Nov-12-04 03:34 PM |
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Absolutely. |
mountainvue |
Nov-12-04 03:34 PM |
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We've officially entered |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 03:35 PM |
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Yes. My heart goes out to |
mountainvue |
Nov-12-04 04:04 PM |
#32 |
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uhhh... that began in 1994 |
RPM |
Nov-12-04 05:47 PM |
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do you have facts that somehow prove him to be not guilty? |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Nov-12-04 03:40 PM |
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Wow |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-04 03:58 PM |
#31 |
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i agree...sorry for posing the question incorrectly |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Nov-12-04 04:06 PM |
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In a trial as public as this one |
Pithlet |
Nov-12-04 04:50 PM |
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Exactly! The Burden of Proof lies with the accuser |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 04:09 PM |
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Scott's alibi hung him |
asuusa |
Nov-12-04 07:57 PM |
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Were you? n/t |
mountainvue |
Nov-12-04 04:05 PM |
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nope... but people here are convicting and acquiting without |
ProdigalJunkMail |
Nov-12-04 04:08 PM |
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He's innocent until proven guilty. |
mountainvue |
Nov-12-04 04:32 PM |
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And you weren't on the jury...... |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Nov-12-04 07:33 PM |
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Someone has to prove the fetus was independent |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Nov-12-04 03:34 PM |
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It was. |
Athletic Grrl |
Nov-12-04 04:58 PM |
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Should the verdict have been different if Connor wasn't definitely healthy |
JudyM |
Nov-12-04 07:17 PM |
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A fetus which had reached the stage of viability |
Warpy |
Nov-12-04 03:35 PM |
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But not all states agree |
comsymp |
Nov-12-04 03:37 PM |
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The fetus was viable at 8 month gestation. |
lizzy |
Nov-12-04 03:35 PM |
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Couldn't agree more. |
Killarney |
Nov-12-04 03:38 PM |
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Thank you....GEEEEEZUS.... |
hollywood926 |
Nov-12-04 03:43 PM |
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I am shocked that 2 jurors were replaced......... |
Bluebear |
Nov-12-04 03:49 PM |
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That stinks to high heaven. |
mountainvue |
Nov-12-04 04:07 PM |
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It wasn't instant |
mzpip |
Nov-12-04 04:33 PM |
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It's not a matter of "believing in" abortion. |
petersgirl |
Nov-12-04 04:16 PM |
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Yep, that sums it up nicely. Thank you. n/t |
chiburb |
Nov-12-04 07:51 PM |
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They're already squawking that it wasn't first degree murder |
Bluebear |
Nov-12-04 03:37 PM |
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This is Calif. law whether you like it or not! |
napi21 |
Nov-12-04 03:38 PM |
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you say fetus like its a bad word |
Middle Finger Bush |
Nov-12-04 03:39 PM |
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The definition of murder |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 03:45 PM |
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the law is no substitute for common sense |
Middle Finger Bush |
Nov-12-04 03:47 PM |
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The common law |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 04:16 PM |
#43 |
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dunno about that, but |
Middle Finger Bush |
Nov-12-04 05:14 PM |
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Here are my thoughts... |
NYCparalegal |
Nov-12-04 03:40 PM |
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I agree |
Bamabelle |
Nov-12-04 04:05 PM |
#33 |
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Nice mental gymnastics |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 04:44 PM |
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WTF is your problem? |
Jack_DeLeon |
Nov-12-04 11:38 PM |
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So if Laci... |
George_S |
Nov-12-04 04:07 PM |
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It's an interesting call. So long as you can only be convicted of... |
AP |
Nov-12-04 03:41 PM |
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By that logic (if I'm reading correctly) |
Killarney |
Nov-12-04 03:44 PM |
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That's actually how the law does work. |
AP |
Nov-12-04 03:50 PM |
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If he knew she was pregnant, and he did... |
hollywood926 |
Nov-12-04 03:46 PM |
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Well, he's guilty of one murder, and then he's guilty of the second crime |
AP |
Nov-12-04 03:47 PM |
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If the baby is viable outside of the womb then yes, it should be murder |
Mike Daniels |
Nov-12-04 03:44 PM |
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Strangely enough, this really has nothing to do with Roe |
0rganism |
Nov-12-04 03:47 PM |
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Have you actually read Roe v. Wade? |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 03:56 PM |
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Why yes, I have |
0rganism |
Nov-12-04 04:31 PM |
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Ah, but they will be |
sandnsea |
Nov-12-04 04:13 PM |
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How can they, it is entirely consistent with Roe vs. Wade! |
Walt Starr |
Nov-12-04 03:48 PM |
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Agreed... |
rinsd |
Nov-12-04 04:35 PM |
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why are you using the word "fetus" |
Nordic |
Nov-12-04 03:48 PM |
#26 |
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that is the correct word |
Malva Zebrina |
Nov-12-04 04:11 PM |
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I think it's a misuse of language to call it a fetus |
Nordic |
Nov-12-04 05:00 PM |
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wrong |
Malva Zebrina |
Nov-12-04 05:32 PM |
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How is that a misuse of language? |
petersgirl |
Nov-12-04 06:26 PM |
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You just answered your own question. n/t |
Nordic |
Nov-12-04 09:05 PM |
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Excuse me? |
petersgirl |
Nov-13-04 08:05 AM |
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How about this scenario |
Malva Zebrina |
Nov-12-04 07:07 PM |
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Fetus is the technical term. |
Connie_Corleone |
Nov-12-04 04:22 PM |
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THAT WAS MY FIRST THOUGHT. like...WTF???? |
PretzelWarrior |
Nov-12-04 03:50 PM |
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Since you asked for opinions... |
Connie_Corleone |
Nov-12-04 04:18 PM |
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A dirtbag correctly convicted |
Fescue4u |
Nov-12-04 04:12 PM |
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The baby was viable; 'fetus' was only a technical term. |
Padraig18 |
Nov-12-04 04:14 PM |
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... the Irony is sickening... |
Swamp Rat |
Nov-12-04 04:22 PM |
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So if the baby kills the mother |
mainegreen |
Nov-12-04 04:24 PM |
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Would that not be considered |
Bamabelle |
Nov-12-04 04:38 PM |
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I don't think anyone would logically conclude that |
DemBones DemBones |
Nov-12-04 04:50 PM |
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The baby would be a juvenile offender |
0rganism |
Nov-12-04 05:19 PM |
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raising hand, what it was all about n/t |
seabeyond |
Nov-12-04 04:45 PM |
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Too many here are missing the forest for the trees |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 04:48 PM |
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i didnt read all replies, well any lol |
seabeyond |
Nov-12-04 04:56 PM |
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If killing an 8 month old fetus is murder |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 05:04 PM |
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yes, further, it declares fetus is life, so doesnt matter 8 month fetus |
seabeyond |
Nov-12-04 05:06 PM |
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My daughter was born at 8 months 5 days - she was no fetus |
RUTalking2me |
Nov-12-04 05:12 PM |
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Fetus by definition |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 05:14 PM |
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a woman is 8 months preg, and is said if she |
seabeyond |
Nov-12-04 05:15 PM |
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this is so rare situation like this. |
seabeyond |
Nov-12-04 05:18 PM |
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Not murder. Remove the baby. If it lives, it lives. If it dies, it dies. |
Kathryn7 |
Nov-12-04 05:19 PM |
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this is when i became wishy washy, except |
seabeyond |
Nov-12-04 05:28 PM |
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Does that happen? |
RUTalking2me |
Nov-12-04 05:27 PM |
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your reasoning is not the reasoning of law though |
seabeyond |
Nov-12-04 05:31 PM |
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Actually, my reasoning IS the reasoning of law |
RUTalking2me |
Nov-12-04 05:34 PM |
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because laci wanted the baby |
seabeyond |
Nov-12-04 05:37 PM |
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The wingnuts will make any argument they can........ |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Nov-12-04 07:59 PM |
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I wasn't convinced |
sunsetbeachdem |
Nov-12-04 05:21 PM |
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People are so quick to blame the husband |
seabeyond |
Nov-12-04 05:35 PM |
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you know they will |
helnwhls |
Nov-12-04 04:48 PM |
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I dont think Roe V Wade is in danger from that |
RUTalking2me |
Nov-12-04 05:09 PM |
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So you're conceding |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 05:17 PM |
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Roe specifies that the State can statutorally protect 3rd-trimester unborn |
0rganism |
Nov-12-04 05:25 PM |
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Maybe you should read a little more closely |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 05:29 PM |
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The deciding factor applicable to the Peterson case is fetal viability |
0rganism |
Nov-12-04 05:52 PM |
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this case is not the precident for the law |
Middle Finger Bush |
Nov-12-04 05:25 PM |
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The law is already on the books in 31 states. |
Kimber Scott |
Nov-12-04 07:51 PM |
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The verdict has nothing to do |
Contrary1 |
Nov-12-04 05:28 PM |
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that is NOT going to happen |
restorefreedom |
Nov-12-04 05:42 PM |
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So the new definition of life hinges on |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 05:47 PM |
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it also has to do with viability |
restorefreedom |
Nov-12-04 05:50 PM |
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If that's the case........ |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Nov-12-04 07:56 PM |
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I dont care what anyone says, it was murder... |
Jack_DeLeon |
Nov-12-04 06:54 PM |
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I would hardly call an 8 month old "fetus" a fetus |
ShaneGR |
Nov-12-04 07:03 PM |
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did they put the clarification in |
seabeyond |
Nov-12-04 07:06 PM |
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This is not an abortion issue.......... |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Nov-12-04 07:20 PM |
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THIS is why reasonable people turn on the choice issue. |
alcuno |
Nov-12-04 07:35 PM |
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You are correct. Nevermind the fact......... |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Nov-12-04 07:39 PM |
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Again the definition of Fetus is |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 10:56 PM |
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Your question implies that you don't consider it a worthy conviction. |
alcuno |
Nov-12-04 11:13 PM |
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And again, I'll say |
Sandpiper |
Nov-12-04 11:23 PM |
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Just why do you think this was on TV for so long? It's a test case |
Cronus Protagonist |
Nov-12-04 07:37 PM |
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If Laci fell down the stairs & miscarried..... would that be |
annabanana |
Nov-12-04 07:43 PM |
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I have no idea, but now.... who knows? |
Cronus Protagonist |
Nov-13-04 12:07 AM |
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In case anyone here hasn't actually read California's murder statute |
slackmaster |
Nov-12-04 07:37 PM |
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oh well cool, that kinda changes everything, huh |
seabeyond |
Nov-12-04 07:42 PM |
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That is the law in California and in 30 other states. I agree with it. |
Kimber Scott |
Nov-12-04 07:47 PM |
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Once the baby can live outside of womb |
Poor Richard Lex |
Nov-12-04 09:21 PM |
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Quickening??? I didn't know that. |
demochik |
Nov-13-04 12:12 AM |
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No, that's not what "quickening" is. |
petersgirl |
Nov-13-04 08:08 AM |
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I was living in Modesto when it happened |
marlakay |
Nov-12-04 09:49 PM |
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He's probably a psychopath |
slackmaster |
Nov-13-04 08:15 AM |
#141 |
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