| 83. so My Lai for example |
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was purely the fault of LBJ not anyone further down the line? and if Calley, Medina etc and all the grunts were completely without blame for the massacre of innocent men women and children in their own village because they HAD to follow the chain of command unquestioningly how do you explain the actions of decent humane soldiers like Hugh Thompson?
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| -The Troops. |
sleipnir |
Nov-10-04 01:38 AM |
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You left out "It's not my problem" |
RummyTheDummy |
Nov-10-04 01:55 AM |
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well, just found out tonight that my husband is going back sooner |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 02:26 AM |
#2 |
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canada is really pretty this time of year. |
puttothesword |
Nov-11-04 12:13 AM |
#128 |
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Interesting. |
MagicalSpork |
Nov-10-04 02:56 AM |
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Nov-10-04 02:58 AM |
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I'm NOT AT ALL for the invasion & occupation of Iraq, and the troops who |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-10-04 03:09 AM |
#5 |
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Don't be shy, Lynn, tell us what you think! |
hinachan |
Nov-11-04 12:48 AM |
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#3 |
bling bling |
Nov-10-04 03:24 AM |
#6 |
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They're mostly confused kids. n/t |
dpt223 |
Nov-10-04 03:29 AM |
#7 |
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You are right |
donheld |
Nov-10-04 04:03 AM |
#31 |
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the troops ain't right in the head (better?) |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 03:33 AM |
#8 |
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maybe you should clarify by adding "some troops" |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 03:34 AM |
#9 |
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let the innocent ones come forward and exclaim their opposition... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 03:39 AM |
#10 |
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They're either FOR US or AGAINST us, huh. |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-10-04 03:42 AM |
#11 |
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i don't care if the troops are for me or against me- this isn't about me.. |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 03:46 AM |
#13 |
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But they're ALL BAD to you. |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-10-04 03:53 AM |
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Nov-10-04 03:56 AM |
#21 |
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Nov-10-04 04:02 AM |
#29 |
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yes, less emotion ESPECIALLY when you're being challenged |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:04 AM |
#34 |
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You're very condescending |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-10-04 04:07 AM |
# |
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i hadn't thought i was defending anything- thought i was attacking... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:09 AM |
#38 |
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And YOU are attacking ALL our troops pretty hard, though. |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-10-04 04:12 AM |
#44 |
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and i will continue to do so until they stop killing kids in iraq/afhan |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:14 AM |
#46 |
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I served in Iraq |
Columbia |
Nov-10-04 11:44 PM |
#103 |
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have you genuinely atoned, yet? |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 11:50 PM |
#106 |
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For what? |
Columbia |
Nov-10-04 11:56 PM |
#110 |
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you tell me |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 11:57 PM |
#112 |
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How am I supposed to answer a question you haven't asked? |
Columbia |
Nov-10-04 11:58 PM |
#113 |
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again- have you genuinely atoned, yet? |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:00 AM |
#115 |
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Again - for what? |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 12:02 AM |
#117 |
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you tell me, if you can |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:03 AM |
#118 |
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I would if there were such a thing |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 12:04 AM |
#119 |
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either you were way in the rear or way in denial |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:06 AM |
#121 |
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If believing that makes you feel better, go ahead |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 12:08 AM |
#123 |
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you're not very forthcoming on your adventures in iraq |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:09 AM |
#125 |
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What do you expect when you only ask vague questions |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 12:11 AM |
#126 |
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you were there- give some specifics |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:13 AM |
#129 |
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Ask a specific question |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 12:15 AM |
#132 |
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your job? |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:18 AM |
#134 |
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Civil Affairs |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 12:18 AM |
#135 |
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Civil affairs? |
alwynsw |
Nov-11-04 12:24 AM |
#141 |
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the slaughter of iraqis is quite uncivil, is it not? |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:26 AM |
#142 |
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Ouch |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 12:30 AM |
#144 |
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your job was to support the mission, yes? like all personell in |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:35 AM |
#145 |
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My job was to save lives |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 12:38 AM |
#146 |
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horseshit! armed forces don't do that- especially ours |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:39 AM |
#148 |
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And where do you get your knowledge of the armed forces from? |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 02:04 AM |
#167 |
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irrelevent, irrelevent, irrelevent- first, i'm an informed citizen, then.. |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 02:23 AM |
#170 |
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Citizen, you may be. Informed, you decidedly are not |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 02:39 AM |
#173 |
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am, too- you, on the other hand have offered nothing but weak... |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 02:42 AM |
#174 |
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Grow up |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 02:45 AM |
#175 |
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you grow up, soldier- you've got nothing but fairy tales and fluff... |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 02:54 AM |
#177 |
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Ok, one last thing, for real |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 03:01 AM |
#180 |
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so sorry- you are 'through w/ this thread'- good cheer to ya'! |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 03:05 AM |
#181 |
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Yeah well... |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 12:27 AM |
#143 |
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okay! |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:38 AM |
#147 |
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Here's a specific question. |
alwynsw |
Nov-11-04 12:21 AM |
#137 |
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Semper Fi! |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 12:24 AM |
#139 |
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awh, that's sweet, jar |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:24 AM |
#140 |
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So...... |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Nov-10-04 07:37 PM |
#90 |
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Here's what I think of your opinion of the troops in Iraq/Afganistan |
alwynsw |
Nov-10-04 08:53 PM |
#96 |
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Count me in too. |
geek tragedy |
Nov-11-04 12:59 AM |
#158 |
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Me too eom |
leftynyc |
Nov-11-04 10:43 AM |
#190 |
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I entirely concur, and for likely the same reasons. (n/t) |
T Town Jake |
Nov-10-04 03:47 AM |
#14 |
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nice, very nice |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 03:48 AM |
#15 |
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i've talked w/every troop i can who's been there and they're... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 03:52 AM |
#17 |
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I live on a military post next to a town |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 03:58 AM |
#24 |
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please read the intl news- the troops are killing civilians & kids |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:00 AM |
#27 |
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and yet you lump ALL troops |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 04:02 AM |
#30 |
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yes, either directly or in supporting jobs |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:05 AM |
# |
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you are clueless |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 04:08 AM |
#37 |
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no basis for calling me clueless- is that all you got, now? |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:10 AM |
#41 |
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no, but you prove my point |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 04:13 AM |
#45 |
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do what?! |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:15 AM |
#48 |
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do I need to speak more clearly? |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 04:16 AM |
#51 |
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yes, you need to dump the emotional stuff- are you biased for the... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:18 AM |
#53 |
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apparently I do |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 04:22 AM |
#56 |
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the children of iraq, made dead by the troops, received no trials to... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:26 AM |
#58 |
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but wanting the troops to come home doesn't mean supporting killing kids |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 04:30 AM |
#60 |
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wanting them to come home is one thing- failing to keep them from... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:38 AM |
#62 |
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my husband killed no one |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 04:44 AM |
#63 |
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you accuse me, now, of accusing you of things i never accused you of... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:48 AM |
#64 |
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my last words |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 04:53 AM |
#65 |
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Forget it, this one's not worth the time |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-10-04 04:19 AM |
#55 |
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"same shit, different pile" |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 04:24 AM |
#57 |
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good effort, troopers, but the nuremburg defense went out with... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:29 AM |
#59 |
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you're just becoming funny |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 04:32 AM |
#61 |
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Yeah, and 50 years of social-psychology research since the trials |
Redleg |
Nov-10-04 05:37 PM |
#80 |
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normal adults don't join a homicidal and belicose armed force... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 11:40 PM |
#102 |
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You don't know what you are talking about. |
Redleg |
Nov-11-04 08:15 AM |
#184 |
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yes, i do- you're the one serving up fascist fairy tales- i mean... |
JSJ |
Nov-12-04 03:49 AM |
#193 |
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Right on, Lynn. n/t |
sr_pacifica |
Nov-11-04 12:17 AM |
#133 |
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Amen! |
alwynsw |
Nov-11-04 12:43 AM |
#151 |
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by the way |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 04:03 AM |
#33 |
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You really need this. |
alwynsw |
Nov-10-04 08:56 PM |
#97 |
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And I live on the largest military base in the free world. |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-10-04 03:59 AM |
#25 |
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how do you know? did you go in the voting booth with them? |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:01 AM |
#28 |
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EXCUSE me, SIR. |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-10-04 04:05 AM |
#35 |
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guilty feelings, if not addressed, will lead to a chameleon-type... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:07 AM |
#36 |
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and you apparently only hear what you want to hear |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 04:09 AM |
#39 |
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i'm not hearing anything i want to hear, here. |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:11 AM |
#42 |
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Now that's a switch & bait right out of the rightwingnut playbook! |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-10-04 04:09 AM |
#40 |
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it's simple psychology- the human mind will conjure up just about... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:12 AM |
#43 |
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Get bent. |
Redleg |
Nov-11-04 08:16 AM |
#185 |
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do tell, then, why 'the troops' are worthy of praise... |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 11:05 PM |
#192 |
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Bullcrap. |
Redleg |
Nov-10-04 05:38 PM |
#81 |
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Good points. Arguing with these fools is like pissing in the wind. |
Redleg |
Nov-10-04 05:32 PM |
#79 |
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it's not as black and white as people make out here |
Djinn |
Nov-10-04 05:47 PM |
#82 |
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Nov-10-04 08:57 PM |
#98 |
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Thanks ever so much for providing... |
T Town Jake |
Nov-10-04 03:43 AM |
#12 |
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yes, I believe it is |
Qanisqineq |
Nov-10-04 03:52 AM |
#16 |
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let's all march in lock-step, like the gop and good germans |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 03:54 AM |
#19 |
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And what are YOU doing but marching in lockstep by denigrating ALL |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-10-04 04:15 AM |
#47 |
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i march to my own drummer- and look who's bait and switching... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:17 AM |
#52 |
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SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
impeachdubya |
Nov-10-04 03:54 AM |
#20 |
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trials first |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 03:57 AM |
#22 |
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Nov-10-04 05:27 AM |
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Nov-10-04 05:55 AM |
#67 |
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In my Opinion, The people responsible for the conduct of the war- any war- |
impeachdubya |
Nov-10-04 03:04 PM |
#68 |
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so My Lai for example |
Djinn |
Nov-10-04 06:02 PM |
#83 |
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Individual soldiers are not universally absolved of their conduct, no. |
impeachdubya |
Nov-10-04 06:20 PM |
#84 |
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I don't "seem to think" anything |
Djinn |
Nov-10-04 07:04 PM |
#88 |
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Let me make a few points: |
impeachdubya |
Nov-10-04 07:26 PM |
#89 |
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this is where this argument gets confused I think |
Djinn |
Nov-10-04 08:51 PM |
#95 |
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I totally concur- there needs to be accountability for behavior in war. |
impeachdubya |
Nov-11-04 12:48 AM |
#154 |
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"Face it, Rambo, the troops are manly [Sic] killers of children" |
T Town Jake |
Nov-10-04 03:25 PM |
#69 |
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Well, they did kill some 40,000 children. So far. |
DrWeird |
Nov-10-04 03:35 PM |
#71 |
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I spell "manly" manly but "mainly" mainly...and I mainly see |
T Town Jake |
Nov-10-04 03:51 PM |
#72 |
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That's great. |
DrWeird |
Nov-10-04 03:58 PM |
#74 |
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My favorite piece of morally challenged "Weird" logic |
geek tragedy |
Nov-11-04 01:02 AM |
#159 |
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I have a sliding scale |
donheld |
Nov-10-04 03:58 AM |
#23 |
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what about |
lucabrasi |
Nov-10-04 04:00 AM |
#26 |
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naw, they're perfect angels, too- maybe when the troops start killing... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:03 AM |
#32 |
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EITHER/OR...FOR/AGAINST...GOOD/EVIL... |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-10-04 04:16 AM |
#49 |
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i see the red blood of murdered iraqi children- what do you see? |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 04:18 AM |
#54 |
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You've obviously never been in uniform, or if so, never quite got "it" |
alwynsw |
Nov-10-04 09:05 PM |
#99 |
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don't have to pitch myself off a clift- like a lemming- to know... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 11:44 PM |
#104 |
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Thankfully, your opinion isn't worth much outside of your own mind. |
alwynsw |
Nov-10-04 11:57 PM |
#111 |
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no, you mean outside your own mind- do not pretend to speak for... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 11:59 PM |
#114 |
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Now you read minds? This just keeps getting better and better. |
alwynsw |
Nov-11-04 12:05 AM |
#120 |
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can you get any more juvenile- please, get off my computer |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:07 AM |
#122 |
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Juvenile? |
Columbia |
Nov-11-04 12:14 AM |
#130 |
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Just stepping down to the level of the arguments offered. |
alwynsw |
Nov-11-04 12:14 AM |
#131 |
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the troops did not kill for me or maim for me- they did rain fire from... |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:22 AM |
#138 |
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Today's military is nothing more than a continuation of a much needed |
alwynsw |
Nov-11-04 12:39 AM |
#149 |
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you've become irrational in your efforts to defend the indefensible |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:46 AM |
#152 |
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Thank you, Dr. Phil. |
alwynsw |
Nov-11-04 12:50 AM |
#156 |
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name calling doesn't befit a noble warrior, jack! get some shut-eye... |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:52 AM |
#157 |
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EITHER/OR...FOR/AGAINST...GOOD/EVIL... |
LynnTheDem |
Nov-10-04 04:16 AM |
#50 |
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The 17% who voted "fuck 'em" confirmed my post about troop bashing. |
Redleg |
Nov-10-04 03:32 PM |
#70 |
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And you're sure that all these votes weren't posted by trolls? |
Greyskye |
Nov-10-04 03:57 PM |
#73 |
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No, I'm not sure. |
Redleg |
Nov-10-04 04:04 PM |
#75 |
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I can't "support" the troops because ... |
Tracer |
Nov-10-04 04:05 PM |
#76 |
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As the wife of an 10% disabled Army veteran |
nonconformist |
Nov-10-04 04:30 PM |
#77 |
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JSJ - Why aren't you in the streets? |
RichardRay |
Nov-10-04 05:30 PM |
#78 |
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my message? don't join the fucking american armed forces in... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 11:47 PM |
#105 |
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OK, that's the easy one |
RichardRay |
Nov-11-04 09:23 AM |
#187 |
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he joined a branch of the most fascist nation in history's military... |
JSJ |
Nov-12-04 03:55 AM |
#194 |
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I support the ones whose families belong to MFSO. . . |
frankzappa |
Nov-10-04 06:21 PM |
#85 |
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Blaming The Troops... |
impeachdubya |
Nov-10-04 06:37 PM |
#86 |
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They've been hijacked, just like the rest of our country. |
Mike Niendorff |
Nov-10-04 06:41 PM |
#87 |
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Nov-10-04 07:43 PM |
#91 |
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They are pawns in the BushCo game...... |
ProudToBeBlueInRhody |
Nov-10-04 07:43 PM |
#92 |
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I don't support the war... |
malmapus |
Nov-10-04 07:56 PM |
#93 |
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They're enforcers and cannon fodder for Bush and the capitalists. |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Nov-10-04 08:13 PM |
#94 |
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NEVER confuse the war with the warrior |
Francine Frensky |
Nov-10-04 09:07 PM |
#100 |
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and don't confuse a warrior with a person of peace and light |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 11:55 PM |
#108 |
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The war couldn't happen without the warrior n/t |
sr_pacifica |
Nov-11-04 12:20 AM |
#136 |
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Must i care? |
sweetheart |
Nov-10-04 09:10 PM |
#101 |
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no, instead, care about people who don't mistreat or kill people... |
JSJ |
Nov-10-04 11:53 PM |
#107 |
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Nov-10-04 11:55 PM |
#109 |
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you are correct, sir! |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:02 AM |
#116 |
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ma'am actually... |
puttothesword |
Nov-11-04 12:08 AM |
#124 |
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women, with their superior sensitivity, are less likely to do something... |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:12 AM |
#127 |
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The officer's oath |
MADem |
Nov-11-04 01:34 AM |
#163 |
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21% of you are troubled |
FM Arouet666 |
Nov-11-04 12:39 AM |
#150 |
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you've no right to display guevara's pic in your sig |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 12:50 AM |
#155 |
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Right as rain my dear JSJ |
FM Arouet666 |
Nov-11-04 01:15 AM |
#162 |
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i speak only to those contemplating a stint |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 02:02 AM |
#166 |
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I would hope no American has to contemplate a stint |
FM Arouet666 |
Nov-11-04 02:25 AM |
#171 |
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i am a citizen and will pass judgement on any employee of my gov... |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 02:33 AM |
#172 |
| -
You make a loud noise |
FM Arouet666 |
Nov-11-04 02:49 AM |
#176 |
| -
i make sense- one needs only to open thine eyes and ears... |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 02:56 AM |
#178 |
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Good luck to you too |
FM Arouet666 |
Nov-11-04 03:00 AM |
#179 |
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Well said. n/t |
MADem |
Nov-11-04 02:15 AM |
#169 |
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I'm in the "I'll be damned if I'm against" camp AND |
LittleClarkie |
Nov-11-04 01:08 AM |
#160 |
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Great Link |
FM Arouet666 |
Nov-11-04 01:57 AM |
#165 |
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I never support the troops when it comes to an immoral war, but |
sr_pacifica |
Nov-11-04 01:13 AM |
#161 |
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I am a #3 |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Nov-11-04 01:41 AM |
#164 |
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people with guns have the power- that's what's so attractive to the... |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 02:06 AM |
#168 |
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You and I have already had this dance. |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Nov-11-04 03:12 AM |
#182 |
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okay- but if i'm bashing anything it's the indoctrination americans... |
JSJ |
Nov-11-04 03:28 AM |
#183 |
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"Not really for the war" |
Fifth of Five |
Nov-11-04 08:26 AM |
#186 |
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My thoughts on the troops. |
Canavar |
Nov-11-04 09:56 AM |
#188 |
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Support the troops, not the CiC |
LiberalPersona |
Nov-11-04 09:59 AM |
#189 |
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Support the Troops |
NCN007 |
Nov-11-04 11:24 AM |
#191 |
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