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Thu Nov-04-04 02:46 PM
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| 36. Our election system IS broken. |
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It needs to be standardized.. NOT left to each county to run in their own fashion. Poorer counties don't put the resources where they need to be.. the election organizations are often run so sloppily, and unprofessionally, you'd die if you saw how cavalier they are with something as precious as our vote.
The election process should be funded EQUALLY by the federal and state governments. But.. if you look at our schools in the nation, you'll see the same type of disparity. ALL voting methods should be standardized.. AND companies that are partisan, should NOT be allowed to do election business with the government. A bi-partisan organization, under the government umbrella, should be put in place to ANALYZE and design our NEW voting structure. IT HAS TO BE STANDARDIZED. If Polk County is using punch cards, then EVERYONE uses punchcards. The media should be bound by new rules that disallow the "calling" of states, until all votes are counted. Sorry.. to the media, and the advertisers, but this election was an even BIGGER fucking fiasco! They were calling states at 4pm WEst coast time, with less than 1% of returns for that state.
ALSO, criminal penalties for screwing with an election need to be SEVERE and agressively investigated. The numerous fliers distributed to suppress the black vote, the "caging" attempts by the GOP in Florida and Ohio, should ALL be prosecuted. We need ELECTION LAW that matches the new democracy.
An investigation needs to be initiated immediately of DIEBOLD, and the other companies supplying those machines. Michael Moore? The new Michael Moore's of the world? Can you do a film about our fucked up election system??
I am convinced this election was stolen in technological ways, beyond the documented FILTHY tactics to discourage and disenfranchise voters. It'll be a hard fight, as the people who have waged war on on our election system NOW control everything.. it's a bitch but that's how that works. You steal, lie, cheat, and intimidate your way into office.. then YOU set all the rules.
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| -Mark Crispin Miller: "First of all, this election was definitely rigged" |
Bush_Eats_Beef |
Nov-04-04 01:27 PM |
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it does seem hard to believe |
central scrutinizer |
Nov-04-04 01:29 PM |
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We didn't. This election was stolen in the machines. |
aquart |
Nov-04-04 01:31 PM |
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We need to question it. |
LiberalAndProud |
Nov-04-04 01:43 PM |
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early ballots simply not counted |
radiofreesrini |
Nov-04-04 04:38 PM |
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So why the fuck did Kerry concede? |
Sterling |
Nov-04-04 05:27 PM |
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I would love to know that. |
brainshrub |
Nov-04-04 05:36 PM |
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My thoughts right along... |
moosedog |
Nov-04-04 07:19 PM |
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oops, self delete |
Carolina |
Nov-04-04 08:30 PM |
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I think he conceded |
Carolina |
Nov-04-04 08:31 PM |
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Hmm - that is interesting. But it would mean he put party over country |
vidali |
Nov-04-04 11:34 PM |
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The 1% rich party? |
nolabels |
Nov-05-04 03:18 AM |
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no I don't mean he put party over country |
Carolina |
Nov-05-04 06:54 AM |
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i agree - |
demjomr313 |
Nov-05-04 07:25 AM |
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Well, if he didn't want the job |
WildClarySage |
Nov-05-04 12:24 PM |
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I don't understand it either. |
anotheryellowdog |
Nov-05-04 03:10 AM |
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Of course Kerry knew that. |
Zhade |
Nov-06-04 12:56 PM |
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that's my belief, as well |
American liberal |
Nov-04-04 08:00 PM |
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NPR |
KCS72000 |
Nov-05-04 11:22 AM |
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Excellent analogy. nt |
vidali |
Nov-04-04 01:32 PM |
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Well, there is corroboration here. |
bushbash |
Nov-04-04 01:37 PM |
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I can't find it.......... |
springhill |
Nov-04-04 03:59 PM |
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Series of articles |
michaelwb |
Nov-04-04 04:14 PM |
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Same here |
brainshrub |
Nov-04-04 05:08 PM |
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Mark Crispin Miller is a bright man |
SpikeTrees |
Nov-04-04 01:31 PM |
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But they did in Franklin County... |
chimpy the poopthrower |
Nov-04-04 01:36 PM |
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The gay initiative did it inOhio but everywhere the EV's were |
ladjf |
Nov-04-04 01:36 PM |
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I agree. They would have been more likely to stay home had that not been.. |
UCLA Dem |
Nov-04-04 02:26 PM |
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He understands quite well the problems in Ohio |
vidali |
Nov-04-04 01:37 PM |
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you can still fix an election with paper ballots.. |
qcsoapbox |
Nov-04-04 01:39 PM |
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True. Paperless electronic machines aren't the ONLY way to steal votes... |
chimpy the poopthrower |
Nov-04-04 01:43 PM |
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it's not just the voting machines |
lazarus |
Nov-04-04 01:40 PM |
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Yes, errors in the card reader |
SpikeTrees |
Nov-04-04 01:42 PM |
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There were other dirty tricks |
Dancing_Dave |
Nov-04-04 01:45 PM |
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What can we do about |
zidzi |
Nov-04-04 03:43 PM |
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Here is the plan it is just the core a little rough but a start |
Vincardog |
Nov-04-04 04:08 PM |
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DUH????? Did you just see what you WROTE??? |
loudsue |
Nov-04-04 06:30 PM |
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I believe 7 counties in Ohio use electronic voting. |
Zorra |
Nov-04-04 07:06 PM |
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Without the slightest doubt! Keep on hammering the bastards. |
ladjf |
Nov-04-04 01:35 PM |
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The GOP stealing the election "just didn't register" with Kerry? OMG. |
highplainsdem |
Nov-04-04 01:37 PM |
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What I get from the article is that the premise sounded too "tinfoil hat" |
Bush_Eats_Beef |
Nov-04-04 01:40 PM |
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uh, what about kerry and BCCI, Iran Contra |
GreenArrow |
Nov-04-04 03:12 PM |
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I'm speaking strictly within the context of the article... |
Bush_Eats_Beef |
Nov-04-04 03:19 PM |
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no, the article, as written, makes sense |
GreenArrow |
Nov-04-04 03:49 PM |
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That could be it, easily. |
Bush_Eats_Beef |
Nov-04-04 05:16 PM |
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Or JK had heard this story before and knew a lot more he was willing to |
wrate |
Nov-04-04 05:57 PM |
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Could Iowa hold the key to "hope" to open pandoras box? |
shuffnew |
Nov-05-04 01:55 PM |
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We can always try to ask |
zidzi |
Nov-04-04 03:49 PM |
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I just asked him to come post here |
Stephanie |
Nov-04-04 03:57 PM |
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Thank you, Stephanie! |
zidzi |
Nov-04-04 04:00 PM |
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Thanks Stephanie |
Bush_Eats_Beef |
Nov-04-04 05:12 PM |
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That makes sense. I introduced the BBV people to Move On |
Sterling |
Nov-04-04 05:45 PM |
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Democratic Kerry Operative "Pete, NYC" just posted this in a thread. |
KoKo01 |
Nov-04-04 02:53 PM |
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Why? |
JohnyCanuck |
Nov-04-04 03:03 PM |
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Kerry can't be caught tinfoiling |
Tangledog |
Nov-04-04 03:33 PM |
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Kerry is an honorable and honest guy.... |
MedusaSaur |
Nov-04-04 04:03 PM |
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I think Kerry's been down the tinfoil hat road before |
Geek_Girl |
Nov-04-04 05:13 PM |
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I think Gore was the same way. They are honest folks and expect others |
KoKo01 |
Nov-04-04 08:02 PM |
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The really big problem here |
Eloriel |
Nov-04-04 08:51 PM |
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What would be "tinfoil" |
CAcyclist |
Nov-04-04 10:38 PM |
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Come on "BIg Red Flag" over Lake Erie.... |
shuffnew |
Nov-05-04 03:05 AM |
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Think of it this way. |
K-W |
Nov-04-04 05:21 PM |
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how come the "liberal" media doesn't pick up on this? n/t |
Gut Check |
Nov-04-04 01:38 PM |
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It picks up on it, put after a day or so puts it back on the shelf |
Bush_Eats_Beef |
Nov-04-04 01:52 PM |
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Fascinating. I sure thought it was odd that all those black people were |
janeaustin |
Nov-04-04 01:38 PM |
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Like in 2000 |
michaelwb |
Nov-04-04 04:19 PM |
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well then. |
sui generis |
Nov-04-04 01:38 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-04-04 01:40 PM |
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Aren't you in the wrong forum? (trying to be polite, though you weren't) |
highplainsdem |
Nov-04-04 01:48 PM |
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Maybe I am in the wrong forum |
Monist |
Nov-04-04 01:53 PM |
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You have your thoughts on this and |
zidzi |
Nov-04-04 03:53 PM |
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"whine, cry, celebrate victimhood" |
sui generis |
Nov-04-04 04:25 PM |
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if we don't examine what has happened |
ballcap1776 |
Nov-05-04 10:51 AM |
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I agree |
blurp |
Nov-04-04 04:31 PM |
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Bullshit |
Kipepeo |
Nov-05-04 11:29 AM |
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Your dismissing the electronic voting issue as tin-foil hat proves you |
ElementaryPenguin |
Nov-04-04 05:56 PM |
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Yep, wrong forum |
Is It Fascism Yet |
Nov-05-04 02:25 AM |
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ummm |
SpikeTrees |
Nov-04-04 01:48 PM |
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Thank you |
Monist |
Nov-04-04 01:54 PM |
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Starting when? n/t |
Eloriel |
Nov-04-04 08:59 PM |
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A "better message"? |
trotsky |
Nov-04-04 01:56 PM |
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And you know what, people believe this, and will |
Angrillori |
Nov-04-04 04:44 PM |
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I've felt this since the returns started coming in. |
Borgnine |
Nov-04-04 01:42 PM |
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Me too. |
skryabushka |
Nov-04-04 02:51 PM |
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ME TOO! Exit polls and other polls were showing Kerry much |
barb1622000 |
Nov-04-04 03:37 PM |
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And what's truly baffling about this is... |
punpirate |
Nov-04-04 01:43 PM |
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We need to launch a letter-writing campaign. Ensure the integrity of |
LiberalAndProud |
Nov-04-04 01:46 PM |
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oh yeah write letters |
T Bone |
Nov-05-04 12:19 AM |
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Quite BLAMING THE MACHINE |
byronm |
Nov-04-04 01:49 PM |
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Our election system IS broken. |
Caliphoto |
Nov-04-04 02:46 PM |
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Oh, i don't disagree with you at all.. |
byronm |
Nov-04-04 04:54 PM |
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They kept the hearings secret and only activists or folks here on DU |
KoKo01 |
Nov-04-04 02:58 PM |
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Agree-- any suggestions |
spooked911 |
Nov-04-04 10:29 PM |
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As soon as someone raises doubt |
rniel |
Nov-04-04 01:57 PM |
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Bev Harris is trying to get that evidence. See |
highplainsdem |
Nov-04-04 02:04 PM |
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I'm with you. |
yardwork |
Nov-04-04 02:42 PM |
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Did you see the nationwide map of all the e-voting machines |
ModerateGal |
Nov-04-04 02:53 PM |
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Tx Early Voting - Nationwide Map? |
shuffnew |
Nov-05-04 02:17 AM |
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Part of the issue, maybe? |
tej |
Nov-04-04 02:57 PM |
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There is No doubt |
brettdale |
Nov-04-04 03:14 PM |
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Miller will be on AAR's "Morning Sedition" tomorrow |
Bush_Eats_Beef |
Nov-04-04 03:23 PM |
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Are you going to listen? |
zidzi |
Nov-04-04 03:57 PM |
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I will try to catch it and post, but if I miss it... |
Bush_Eats_Beef |
Nov-04-04 05:14 PM |
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You can always listen later to the mp3 |
vidali |
Nov-04-04 11:45 PM |
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Make believe campaign (W) for a make believe election |
robbedvoter |
Nov-04-04 03:24 PM |
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It's no coincidence |
nebula |
Nov-04-04 03:27 PM |
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the election was stolen, I firmly believe this. I am SO angry, so |
barb1622000 |
Nov-04-04 03:35 PM |
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Thank you, Mark Crispin Miller! |
zidzi |
Nov-04-04 03:40 PM |
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Could someone take a sec to define |
progressivehere |
Nov-04-04 04:17 PM |
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You put one on to ward off dangerous alien death rays |
Stephanie |
Nov-04-04 04:22 PM |
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I lost mine |
AZCat |
Nov-04-04 04:35 PM |
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The rest of the US |
CAcyclist |
Nov-04-04 11:05 PM |
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Update, please: Uncounted votes in FL, OH? |
MedusaSaur |
Nov-04-04 04:15 PM |
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2004 e-voting US map |
ModerateGal |
Nov-04-04 04:27 PM |
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A Patriot Act |
Amy6627 |
Nov-04-04 04:32 PM |
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A good start: Donate to blackboxvoting.com so they can proceed |
moonbeams |
Nov-04-04 06:19 PM |
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Correction! blackboxvoting.org |
GregD |
Nov-04-04 10:39 PM |
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thx for the website address correction |
moonbeams |
Nov-04-04 11:26 PM |
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There is nothing we can DO! |
Amy6627 |
Nov-05-04 03:17 PM |
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Nicely said. |
Laelth |
Nov-04-04 07:16 PM |
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So hwo the F do we get through to the only |
Stew225 |
Nov-04-04 04:32 PM |
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Thank you Stephanie |
progressivehere |
Nov-04-04 04:42 PM |
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The results don't pass the smell test, that's for sure. |
forradalom |
Nov-04-04 05:39 PM |
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The land of the free...my my |
Ardee |
Nov-04-04 05:53 PM |
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I am certain that at least OH and FL were stolen from Kerry. You need |
wrate |
Nov-04-04 06:28 PM |
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We need to have a paper trail for EVERY vote! |
V Lee |
Nov-04-04 06:18 PM |
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vote rigging is a form of (electronic) assassination |
ngant17 |
Nov-04-04 06:24 PM |
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Welcome to DU and |
zidzi |
Nov-04-04 07:21 PM |
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why oh why is NO ONE screaming to rescind the non-taxable status |
crozet4clark |
Nov-04-04 06:24 PM |
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The IRS is too busy going after the NAACP. nt |
Patiod |
Nov-05-04 02:24 PM |
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From now on |
montana_hazeleyes |
Nov-04-04 06:31 PM |
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Word! |
zidzi |
Nov-04-04 07:22 PM |
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We have a way out |
stupidgit |
Nov-04-04 07:53 PM |
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The vote-stealing situation on the ground should be in all our minds. |
bigmonkey |
Nov-04-04 08:59 PM |
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the implications of Republican electronic warfare |
teryang |
Nov-04-04 09:56 PM |
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That is the most astounding feature of this whole millenium. So far. |
vidali |
Nov-04-04 11:40 PM |
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What's wrong with the Democrats? Why didn't they fight these machines |
Kimber Scott |
Nov-04-04 10:58 PM |
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Can someone give me a working link to this article? |
XanthaS |
Nov-04-04 11:05 PM |
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First of all, Crispin is an idiot |
Nederland |
Nov-05-04 12:00 AM |
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#of Right-Wing Christians? |
shuffnew |
Nov-05-04 02:33 AM |
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The exit polls were crap |
Nederland |
Nov-05-04 11:13 AM |
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Those figures are even higher than I remembered. |
Cat Atomic |
Nov-05-04 10:58 AM |
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Born Again % Count of 44% (not correct) |
shuffnew |
Nov-05-04 01:50 PM |
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There is something that can be done |
PATRICK |
Nov-05-04 12:03 AM |
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Yes, "Stolen Election 2004"!!! Kerry-Edwards HELP! |
shuffnew |
Nov-05-04 12:04 AM |
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They stole this election again! |
PROGRESSIVE1 |
Nov-05-04 12:07 AM |
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If even 1/4 of us doubt this election, |
justgamma |
Nov-05-04 12:19 AM |
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MCM I love ya! |
Qst4Q |
Nov-05-04 12:23 AM |
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I know you're probably not going to like what I think but.... |
dragndust |
Nov-05-04 12:55 AM |
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well said |
teryang |
Nov-05-04 05:26 AM |
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michael |
merliecurlie |
Nov-05-04 01:59 AM |
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Michael Moore's Email? |
shuffnew |
Nov-05-04 02:10 AM |
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322, Mark |
grasswire |
Nov-05-04 02:20 AM |
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What does that mean? |
Stephanie |
Nov-05-04 07:29 AM |
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322 |
Minstrel Boy |
Nov-05-04 08:14 AM |
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it's the secret sign of Bonesmen |
grasswire |
Nov-05-04 11:22 AM |
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It's Skull and Bones code. |
grasswire |
Nov-05-04 11:24 AM |
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322 is the S&B Lodge Number |
shuffnew |
Nov-05-04 02:12 PM |
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More on S&B & Lodge 322 |
shuffnew |
Nov-05-04 02:27 PM |
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S&B Lodge 322 - Bush Presidential Speech 2004 & Hitlers Speech 1933 |
shuffnew |
Nov-05-04 03:08 PM |
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Kerry's wife ,hire the best investigators ? |
NicRic |
Nov-05-04 08:13 AM |
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kick (nt) |
Skinner |
Nov-05-04 03:41 PM |
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