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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:37 PM
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11. 2 things. Get the oilnguns out, and flood them with stuff

Now we both know that neither of these things, much less both, will never happen, but if a miracle occurred and the US decided to use its resources for the good of many as opposed to the wealth of a few, then the thing to do would be first, stop doing harm.

That means get out. Out of the oil, out of the politics, out of the arms trade there.

The second thing, and the thing that I believe could have been done even after 1991, and could be done right this minute, if you want to encourage democracy, and defeat the mullahs, flood the place with stuff. Do it covertly and overtly, early and often. Flood them with Gap jeans and penicillin and Fritos and Dell laptops and fiberoptic cable and rice and Britney and playstations and Nikes and books.

Flood them with DVD players and surgical equipment and Spiderman and tractors and pvc pipe to fix the water system, you get the idea.

Flood them with the things the world DOES love and admire about America, the things that are good.

That would get democracy, although it would probably not be what Americans accept as democracy, and it would not make them like the things that are not good about America, like hatred and greed and bigotry.

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  -Could Saddam have been contained without Gulf War 1? Darranar  Aug-28-03 10:08 PM   #0 
  - Of course  xray s   Aug-28-03 10:12 PM   #1 
  - I meant after...  Darranar   Aug-28-03 10:16 PM   #3 
  - Once he invaded military force probably was the only way to get him out  xray s   Aug-28-03 10:24 PM   #6 
     - Okay, let me change the situation a bit...  Darranar   Aug-28-03 10:30 PM   #8 
        - You forget  shamgar50   Aug-29-03 10:50 AM   #56 
        - How could we have made him comply?  Darranar   Aug-29-03 10:52 AM   #58 
        - PAY attention  shamgar50   Aug-29-03 11:29 AM   #61 
           - Interesting idea  Darranar   Aug-29-03 01:34 PM   #62 
        - How could we have made him comply?  Darranar   Aug-29-03 10:53 AM   #59 
        - You forget  shamgar50   Aug-29-03 10:51 AM   #57 
  - Saddam could have been contained the same way the US has  Kbowe   Aug-29-03 08:27 AM   #52 
  - Saddam was never a threat in the first place  lcordero   Aug-28-03 10:14 PM   #2 
  - That wasn't the point...  Darranar   Aug-28-03 10:17 PM   #4 
     - Bull  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-29-03 01:00 AM   #39 
        - I don't get it...  Darranar   Aug-29-03 06:33 AM   #41 
           - Control  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-29-03 07:49 AM   #48 
              - Bush could have put US troops into Saudi Arabia...  Darranar   Aug-29-03 07:56 AM   #51 
                 - At the time  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-29-03 08:39 AM   #53 
                    - No, it wouldn't have...  Darranar   Aug-29-03 09:05 AM   #54 
                       - You mean Kuwait wasn't?  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-29-03 09:07 AM   #55 
  - "Kuwait" was a result of Western carving of ancient lands 4 fun & profit  DuctapeFatwa   Aug-28-03 10:21 PM   #5 
  - Once again...  Darranar   Aug-28-03 10:26 PM   #7 
     - Why should the US be containing  Maple   Aug-28-03 10:35 PM   #10 
     - I agree...  Darranar   Aug-28-03 10:38 PM   #12 
        - Well NATO is wandering around loose  Maple   Aug-28-03 10:49 PM   #18 
           - If you haven't noticed...  Darranar   Aug-28-03 10:52 PM   #20 
              - Yes, it was set up that way deliberately  Maple   Aug-28-03 11:00 PM   #25 
                 - The problem of the UN...  Darranar   Aug-28-03 11:02 PM   #27 
                    - The UN has been working on  Maple   Aug-28-03 11:27 PM   #31 
                       - Listen...  Darranar   Aug-29-03 06:37 AM   #42 
     - 2 things. Get the oilnguns out, and flood them with stuff  DuctapeFatwa   Aug-28-03 10:37 PM   #11 
        - That was the theory I was thinking of as well...  Darranar   Aug-28-03 10:40 PM   #13 
  - BTW...sanctions are just another name for SIEGE  lcordero   Aug-28-03 10:35 PM   #9 
  - I guess taht's a matter of opinion...  Darranar   Aug-28-03 10:41 PM   #14 
  - Sanctions and boycotts are legit  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-29-03 01:01 AM   #40 
     - Sanctions are ways...  Darranar   Aug-29-03 06:39 AM   #43 
        - No  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-29-03 10:18 PM   #69 
           - Uh...  Darranar   Aug-29-03 10:24 PM   #72 
  - What difference did it make to us if Kuwait or Iraq owned the oil?  aquart   Aug-28-03 10:43 PM   #15 
  - To the Kuwaitis it made a difference...  Darranar   Aug-28-03 10:45 PM   #17 
  - Everyone keeps forgetting Sadam asked Bush if it was OK  FloridaPat   Aug-28-03 10:44 PM   #16 
  - Yes, Saddam had a reason for invading Kuwait  Maple   Aug-28-03 10:54 PM   #23 
  - If you want to contain Saddam  Blue_Chill   Aug-28-03 10:50 PM   #19 
  - Clearly.  Darranar   Aug-28-03 10:52 PM   #21 
  - Why not stop supporting dictators with money, weapons, and diplomats?  WhoCountsTheVotes   Aug-28-03 10:53 PM   #22 
  - Of course...  Darranar   Aug-28-03 10:54 PM   #24 
     - We don't  Maple   Aug-28-03 11:02 PM   #26 
        - And what would the UN do?  Darranar   Aug-28-03 11:04 PM   #28 
           - A UN that was liberated from the US could have potential  DuctapeFatwa   Aug-28-03 11:19 PM   #29 
           - First thing that UN would do would be to  Yupster   Aug-28-03 11:58 PM   #36 
           - Ahh somebody want's to be  Maple   Aug-29-03 12:01 AM   #37 
           - Sorry, I disagree...  Darranar   Aug-29-03 06:41 AM   #44 
           - Finish the inspections  Maple   Aug-28-03 11:32 PM   #34 
              - Look...  Darranar   Aug-29-03 06:44 AM   #45 
  - well for starters, Whistle Ass the First's State Department could  leftofthedial   Aug-28-03 11:20 PM   #30 
  - Listen, here's what a career military officer with top-secret clearance  maggrwaggr   Aug-28-03 11:30 PM   #32 
  - Didn't the The Iron Lady get Bush Senior stirred up over Sadaam?  Alex88   Aug-29-03 02:51 PM   #65 
  - Didn't the The Iron Lady get Bush Senior stirred up over Sadaam?  Alex88   Aug-29-03 02:53 PM   #66 
  - He was contained. Reagan sent him to Iran and Bush let him into Kuwait.  JohnOneillsMemory   Aug-28-03 11:30 PM   #33 
  - What maggrwaggr says in post #32 supports this. Attrition of capacity.  JohnOneillsMemory   Aug-29-03 12:21 AM   #38 
  - Remember the Soviet Union?  BeFree   Aug-28-03 11:35 PM   #35 
  - Okay...  Darranar   Aug-29-03 06:55 AM   #46 
  - Cut off trade  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-29-03 07:50 AM   #49 
  - And, of course...  Darranar   Aug-29-03 07:55 AM   #50 
     - Slaughter  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-29-03 01:58 PM   #64 
        - But this time...  Darranar   Aug-29-03 10:20 PM   #70 
  - For starters  shamgar50   Aug-29-03 11:05 AM   #60 
  - Kick  Darranar   Aug-29-03 07:41 AM   #47 
  - He offered to leave during the air raids.  Ein   Aug-29-03 01:39 PM   #63 
  - Slant-drilling  Ein   Aug-29-03 09:33 PM   #68 
  - Good question  Alex88   Aug-29-03 09:31 PM   #67 
  - I can agree with that...  Darranar   Aug-29-03 10:23 PM   #71 
  - We could have not goaded him to invade  dansolo   Aug-29-03 10:54 PM   #73 
 

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