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36. OK. Except you never hear a politician or a voter describe
themselves as Socially X, Economically Y, and Fiscally Z.

You have to admit, the dichotomy you hear here and in the press and from the candidates is "social X/economic Y."

And regardless of what they think the definition of economics is in the academy, I think most voters are interpreting "economic" without separateing from "fiscal" policy.
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  -I beginning to get very suspicious of the dichotomy: socially liberal and AP  Aug-28-03 10:32 AM   #0 
  - Seems to me he's more like 100% opportunistic!  glarius   Aug-28-03 10:34 AM   #1 
  - And the masses are  PurpHaze69   Aug-28-03 10:41 AM   #2 
  - Hi PurpHaze69!!  newyawker99   Aug-28-03 12:29 PM   #37 
  - 'Economically conservative' is a label  wtmusic   Aug-28-03 10:42 AM   #3 
  - It's a code word for pro-corporate  WhoCountsTheVotes   Aug-28-03 10:44 AM   #5 
  - Yeah, except Dean calls himself  wtmusic   Aug-28-03 10:46 AM   #6 
  - same difference  WhoCountsTheVotes   Aug-28-03 10:49 AM   #9 
     - So you're equating fair trade  wtmusic   Aug-28-03 10:58 AM   #15 
     - It wasn't just one interview.  ryharrin   Aug-28-03 01:24 PM   #45 
  - I believe Keynes liked a deficit when you  AP   Aug-28-03 10:51 AM   #10 
  - Keynes advocated spurring growth through deficit spending  IrateCitizen   Aug-28-03 12:51 PM   #43 
  - Exactly  AP   Aug-28-03 11:11 AM   #21 
  - I think the meaning has been firmed up in the last 4 years  AP   Aug-28-03 10:49 AM   #8 
  - Arnold would probably get a great ADA rating if he was a democrat..  StandWatie   Aug-28-03 10:44 AM   #4 
  - Only if you give no weight to what really makes a conservative--  AP   Aug-28-03 10:52 AM   #12 
  - Let me pose a couple of simple questions  Liberal Classic   Aug-28-03 10:47 AM   #7 
  - Higher taxes doesn't even address the whole issue.  AP   Aug-28-03 10:57 AM   #14 
     - Those're not the only points of economic consevratism  redeye   Aug-28-03 11:04 AM   #16 
     - What I'm arguing is that, today, it IS easy to place economic  AP   Aug-28-03 11:16 AM   #25 
     - What I'm arguing is that, today, it IS easy to place economic  AP   Aug-28-03 11:16 AM   #26 
     - How can someone be against "the benefits of society?"  Liberal Classic   Aug-28-03 11:12 AM   #22 
        - The issue is not whether you have them, but who gets them  AP   Aug-28-03 11:21 AM   #30 
  - economically conservative means you're going to cut taxes,and cut service?  papau   Aug-28-03 10:52 AM   #11 
  - exactly. It's shifting burdens and benefits.  AP   Aug-28-03 11:10 AM   #20 
  - It also means making sure money is spent wisely  slackmaster   Aug-28-03 11:17 AM   #27 
  - That's the Keynsian angle. Debt is good if it's being invested  AP   Aug-28-03 11:25 AM   #31 
     - Yes, but we still need a couple of guarantees  slackmaster   Aug-28-03 12:34 PM   #41 
        - The guarantee would be in having an informed public debate  AP   Aug-28-03 01:22 PM   #44 
  - Exactly. Means don't waste the good you've got.  aquart   Aug-29-03 01:00 AM   #69 
  - First, let's agree on one thing:  redeye   Aug-28-03 10:54 AM   #13 
  - Don't get me wrong.  AP   Aug-28-03 11:08 AM   #19 
     - Gephardt is close to 100% economic but sucks socially  redeye   Aug-28-03 11:14 AM   #23 
     - Gephardt is 100% labor. That isn't the same thing.  AP   Aug-28-03 11:29 AM   #32 
        - Would you mind proving your theory...  redeye   Aug-28-03 12:33 PM   #40 
           - It's a theory based on obeservation  AP   Aug-28-03 01:25 PM   #46 
     - That is just plain false  dsc   Aug-28-03 11:05 PM   #58 
        - The BNP in Britain...  redeye   Aug-28-03 11:41 PM   #60 
           - I admit to never having heard of them  dsc   Aug-28-03 11:43 PM   #61 
           - When were ther communist governments? 30 years ago?  AP   Aug-29-03 12:02 AM   #67 
           - the BNP are avowed fascists.  AP   Aug-29-03 12:00 AM   #66 
  - its not possible  Terwilliger   Aug-28-03 11:06 AM   #17 
  - "Sparing no expense" is a sure way to fiscal Hell  slackmaster   Aug-28-03 11:20 AM   #29 
     - See, this is where the real public policy debate should  AP   Aug-28-03 11:33 AM   #34 
     - I think you picked an atrocious example but generally agree  slackmaster   Aug-28-03 12:35 PM   #42 
        - way to change the subject, slack  Terwilliger   Aug-28-03 01:46 PM   #50 
     - thats all well and good in your capitalist system  Terwilliger   Aug-28-03 01:45 PM   #49 
  - Agree  jos   Aug-28-03 11:08 AM   #18 
  - It's a response to the religious element in the Republican Party.  Cat Atomic   Aug-28-03 11:15 AM   #24 
  - I think Republican wedge issues have to vary by geographical region  AP   Aug-28-03 11:38 AM   #35 
  - Hi Cat Atomic!!  newyawker99   Aug-28-03 12:30 PM   #38 
  - Your Penultimate Paragraph is The Problem  ProfessorGAC   Aug-28-03 11:17 AM   #28 
  - OK. Except you never hear a politician or a voter describe  AP   Aug-28-03 11:42 AM   #36 
  - I consider myself an economic moderate and fiscal conservative.  TahitiNut   Aug-28-03 02:05 PM   #51 
  - We believe in "Tax and SERVE" Liberalism  Liberator_Rev   Aug-28-03 11:30 AM   #33 
  - You should be suspicious.  TreasonousBastard   Aug-28-03 12:31 PM   #39 
  - its not just DK supporters who know this  JohnKleeb   Aug-28-03 01:28 PM   #47 
  - Todays anniversary of March on Washington offers good example of my point  AP   Aug-28-03 01:32 PM   #48 
  - Nice try  mandyky   Aug-28-03 02:08 PM   #52 
  - Actually, it's motivated by Arnold and California politics,  AP   Aug-28-03 09:55 PM   #56 
  - Thomas Frank's "One Market Under God"  JVS   Aug-28-03 02:25 PM   #53 
  - It's amazing to me that so many people buy into candidates who  DemBones DemBones   Aug-28-03 03:01 PM   #54 
  - yep  JohnKleeb   Aug-28-03 03:12 PM   #55 
  - spoken as one  dsc   Aug-28-03 11:57 PM   #65 
     - Abraham Lincoln gave lots of people legal rights. Didn't matter til FDR  AP   Aug-29-03 12:05 AM   #68 
  - Coming from our prime proponent of Blairism and "Blair Dems"  hedda_foil   Aug-28-03 10:33 PM   #57 
  - "knickers in a twist" do you mean. You know, Hugo Chavez's  AP   Aug-28-03 11:52 PM   #63 
  - I disagree with your premise  RowWellandLive   Aug-28-03 11:29 PM   #59 
  - You haven't been paying attention if you think most Republicans  AP   Aug-28-03 11:55 PM   #64 
     - I've looked at it all  RowWellandLive   Aug-29-03 01:16 AM   #70 
        - How in the world is any of the things I've listed  AP   Aug-29-03 10:34 AM   #71 
  - Bush is 100% thief.  SharonAnn   Aug-28-03 11:47 PM   #62 
  - I'm with you on this.  blm   Aug-29-03 10:38 AM   #72 
 

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