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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-03 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #131
134. There's a finer distinction there
How about the difference between the Alexandrian, Gardnerian, and Feri trads?

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  -What was really "bad" with the ten commandments? Kamika  Aug-27-03 11:38 AM   #0 
  - That was not the point - the point is separation of church  molly   Aug-27-03 11:40 AM   #1 
  - I disagree  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 01:03 PM   #70 
  - It was intended to prevent the establishment of a defacto state religion.  Brian Sweat   Aug-27-03 01:25 PM   #78 
  - Oh and what is the defacto religion established by the 10?  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 01:34 PM   #82 
     - "not meant to impose secularism "  reprobate   Aug-27-03 02:58 PM   #98 
     - I disagree  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 03:25 PM   #102 
        - No connection.  edward   Aug-27-03 03:37 PM   #107 
        - Not so fast  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:03 PM   #118 
           - lol  sujan   Aug-27-03 04:09 PM   #121 
              - The use of land does come at public expense  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:12 PM   #124 
                 - so  sujan   Aug-27-03 04:16 PM   #128 
                    - Where did that come from?  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:18 PM   #132 
                       - I am just peeking thru your pipe dream  sujan   Aug-27-03 04:20 PM   #135 
                          - Well then pass the pipe  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:28 PM   #146 
                             - I'd like to see you react  sujan   Aug-27-03 04:31 PM   #148 
                                - The entire pledge is stupid  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:32 PM   #151 
        - There is a difference between private sponsorship using public  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 03:52 PM   #114 
        - Don't get me wrong Walt  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:05 PM   #119 
           - Just so long as you agree  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 04:11 PM   #123 
              - I don't agree with all of that  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:15 PM   #127 
                 - Sorry, but you have to take it  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 04:18 PM   #133 
                    - I disagree  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:30 PM   #147 
                       - You still don't get it  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 04:34 PM   #153 
                          - I wouldn't display that  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:39 PM   #160 
                             - We could do a statue of oral sex  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 04:41 PM   #162 
                                - What religion is that?  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 05:29 PM   #176 
        - church soccer  KinkyDem   Aug-27-03 04:07 PM   #120 
           - 4 ton statue would get in the way  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:17 PM   #130 
              - So long as a monument with "The Bible is nothing but a fairy tale"  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 04:22 PM   #138 
              - Right...  KinkyDem   Aug-27-03 04:50 PM   #168 
     - The big difference between...  DarkPhenyx   Aug-27-03 03:23 PM   #100 
     - I'm not questioning the wisdom  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 03:28 PM   #104 
     - You're awfully narrow in your interpretation!  Interrobang   Aug-27-03 03:33 PM   #105 
     - I don't buy it  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 03:35 PM   #106 
        - You conflate tolerance with law.  edward   Aug-27-03 03:41 PM   #109 
        - Then you have an issue  Nota_Robought   Aug-27-03 04:44 PM   #164 
           - I have an issue with all intolerant poeple that want the law  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 05:47 PM   #184 
     - It endorses a particular kind of religion  Sophree   Aug-27-03 03:49 PM   #113 
     - I disagree  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:11 PM   #122 
        - It not only endorses a specific religion, it establishes it as official  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 04:13 PM   #125 
        - That's different  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:20 PM   #136 
           - Nope, allow one and you must allow them all  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 04:24 PM   #143 
              - Step out of the thought box  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:31 PM   #150 
                 - Nope, not acceptable  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 04:35 PM   #156 
                    - I already told you  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:38 PM   #158 
                       - And I told you  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 04:44 PM   #163 
                          - So then  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 05:40 PM   #182 
                          - Its also possible to  Solomon   Aug-28-03 12:13 AM   #192 
        - You know what...  KinkyDem   Aug-27-03 04:18 PM   #131 
        - There's a finer distinction there  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 04:20 PM   #134 
        - yeah well...  KinkyDem   Aug-27-03 04:44 PM   #165 
           - I sort of see your point  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 04:46 PM   #166 
              - See when someone says  KinkyDem   Aug-27-03 04:58 PM   #169 
        - You should  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:22 PM   #140 
        - But you are all christians.  Solomon   Aug-28-03 12:16 AM   #193 
        - I can tell you the difference between  Nota_Robought   Aug-27-03 04:39 PM   #159 
        - HA! Look who's talking.  Sophree   Aug-27-03 04:21 PM   #137 
           - Great argument  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:23 PM   #142 
              - Butthead  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 04:27 PM   #145 
              - lol  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:32 PM   #152 
              - I was referring to your "separation of church and state  Sophree   Aug-27-03 04:31 PM   #149 
                 - Well then  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:35 PM   #155 
                    - Neutrality is the best option....  liberal_veteran   Aug-27-03 05:12 PM   #170 
                       - answers  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 05:36 PM   #179 
     - Your Avatar Image Says It All Blue_Chill  CO Liberal   Aug-27-03 05:17 PM   #171 
        - Please.....  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 05:39 PM   # 
        - And how would you enforce that?  liberal_veteran   Aug-27-03 05:53 PM   #185 
           - I'm not that petty and you aren't paying attention  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 06:00 PM   # 
           - I agree and they can display it on PRIVATE land.  liberal_veteran   Aug-27-03 06:12 PM   #188 
              - Why not?  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 11:52 PM   #191 
           - dupe  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 06:00 PM   #186 
        - duplicate  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 05:39 PM   #180 
        - duplicate  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 05:39 PM   #181 
  - what's the difference?  noiretblu   Aug-27-03 02:12 PM   #95 
     - Forcing to do what?  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 02:18 PM   #96 
        - Think about this for a minute BC  KinkyDem   Aug-27-03 04:22 PM   #139 
           - First off I'm scared shitless in front of any judge  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 04:37 PM   #157 
              - Ypou mean like  KinkyDem   Aug-27-03 04:41 PM   #161 
                 - Yes like Moore  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 05:42 PM   #183 
  - You Don't Know Crap About Separation of Church and State  Einstein   Aug-29-03 01:12 AM   #200 
  - Yes from Mesopotania  bahrbearian   Aug-27-03 11:43 AM   #2 
  - And before that the  Solomon   Aug-28-03 12:21 AM   #194 
  - The ten commandments have little to do with our laws.  Clete   Aug-27-03 11:43 AM   #3 
  - I agree  schrodinger_I   Aug-27-03 11:48 AM   #7 
  - Actually I don't think it was English Common Law  TSElliott   Aug-27-03 11:49 AM   #13 
  - The Magna Carta is more like the Bill of Rights  dpbrown   Aug-27-03 12:02 PM   #36 
  - I find it hard to believe  Twenty3   Aug-27-03 12:00 PM   #29 
  - My understanding is the Big Ten were a good fit for  Clete   Aug-27-03 01:00 PM   #69 
  - That's the kicker.  FlaGranny   Aug-27-03 03:39 PM   #108 
  - public buildings are for everyone  leftofthedial   Aug-27-03 11:46 AM   #4 
  - Jehova's Witnesses and Mormons are Christians too  monkeyboy   Aug-27-03 11:47 AM   #5 
  - Or how about one of Ron Hubbard's Scientology tomes?  Clete   Aug-27-03 11:49 AM   #9 
  - Or an inflatable Santa Claus...  monkeyboy   Aug-27-03 11:55 AM   #23 
  - well youre missing my point  Kamika   Aug-27-03 11:54 AM   #21 
     - No, you're missing MY point  monkeyboy   Aug-27-03 11:58 AM   #27 
     - Historical or not, they don't belong in a public building.  LibertyChick   Aug-27-03 12:10 PM   #47 
     - That was not the intent of the display  Az   Aug-27-03 12:28 PM   #55 
     - That's where you're wrong  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 03:57 PM   #116 
     - What a leap  HFishbine   Aug-27-03 04:25 PM   #144 
  - Couple of things  a_random_joel   Aug-27-03 11:47 AM   #6 
  - Well said!!!  schrodinger_I   Aug-27-03 11:49 AM   #12 
  - Just a minor point  rock   Aug-27-03 12:16 PM   #52 
  - Laws of Hammurabi are the origination of civilized law written in 1750 BC,  radwriter0555   Aug-27-03 11:48 AM   #8 
  - Well it was their municipal code.  Clete   Aug-27-03 11:52 AM   #18 
  - Kill, Steal, Perjury  ComerPerro   Aug-27-03 11:49 AM   #10 
  - I don't count lying  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 11:58 AM   #28 
  - Thats how I meant to refer to it  ComerPerro   Aug-27-03 01:21 PM   #75 
  - Funny...  RobertSeattle   Aug-27-03 12:01 PM   #34 
  - I will have you know that the God of Alablama  ComerPerro   Aug-27-03 01:18 PM   #74 
  - Twice now...  DarkPhenyx   Aug-27-03 12:49 PM   #60 
  - I love that George Carlin bit  ComerPerro   Aug-27-03 01:38 PM   #84 
     - I think it is in all 50 states.  DarkPhenyx   Aug-27-03 01:46 PM   #87 
        - Im not clear on that one  ComerPerro   Aug-27-03 01:59 PM   #89 
           - It's one of those things...  DarkPhenyx   Aug-27-03 02:09 PM   #93 
  - God doesn't like it when  Virginian   Aug-27-03 04:34 PM   #154 
  - It would be fine if the 10Cs were in there with  eyesroll   Aug-27-03 11:49 AM   #11 
  - I'll tell you why thery were bad  DuctapeFatwa   Aug-27-03 11:50 AM   #14 
  - Sweetie, the ten commandments are part of the Torah.  aquart   Aug-27-03 12:14 PM   #50 
     - I know that and you know that, but do Alabama fundies know that?  DuctapeFatwa   Aug-27-03 12:23 PM   #54 
  - 1. It was an act of pure vandalism....  liberal_veteran   Aug-27-03 11:50 AM   #15 
  - Gawd damn right  monkeyboy   Aug-27-03 12:00 PM   #31 
  - We have laws about worshipping false gods?  vi5   Aug-27-03 11:51 AM   #16 
  - "Thou shall not feed the poor,  edward   Aug-27-03 12:10 PM   #48 
  - Sorry but do some research before saying something patently false  Caution   Aug-27-03 11:51 AM   #17 
  - When countries are governed by religious law, burnings, hangings  Aristus   Aug-27-03 11:52 AM   #19 
  - BULLSHIT!!!!  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 11:54 AM   #20 
  - Western legal theory owes as much to Hammurabi as to Moses  dpbrown   Aug-27-03 11:55 AM   #22 
  - With all respect for Kamika  HereSince1628   Aug-27-03 11:56 AM   #24 
  - Because the foyer of the Supreme Court  dsc   Aug-27-03 11:56 AM   #25 
  - Where did those 10 commandments come from?  BurtWorm   Aug-27-03 11:57 AM   #26 
  - And the Code of Hammurabi is posted in the SCOTUS  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 12:00 PM   #30 
  - This is exactly what the people on the steps are saying.  Ripley   Aug-27-03 12:01 PM   #32 
  - Weakening of Chritianity?  hexola   Aug-27-03 12:01 PM   #33 
  - Well said  Uzybone   Aug-27-03 05:28 PM   #175 
  - That's a great point.  screembloodymurder   Aug-28-03 01:08 AM   #196 
  - Is it okay if I chisel hieroglyphs of Osiris and Isis on public property?  liberal_veteran   Aug-27-03 12:02 PM   #35 
  - Speaking of Egypt  Mairead   Aug-27-03 01:39 PM   #86 
  - Our laws did not "originate" from the ten commandments.  aquart   Aug-27-03 12:02 PM   #37 
  - More pure hypocracy than homage  party_line   Aug-27-03 12:02 PM   #38 
  - right wing zealots  sujan   Aug-27-03 12:03 PM   #39 
  - If people didn't covet their neighbors' possessions, the economy would...  jchild   Aug-27-03 12:04 PM   #40 
  - Good point, Capitalism depends on Coveting  dpbrown   Aug-27-03 12:10 PM   #46 
  - The basis of our laws, perhaps, but not of our government  rocknation   Aug-27-03 12:04 PM   #41 
  - Lets examine some of the problems with this notion  Az   Aug-27-03 12:05 PM   #42 
  - "god ordered the death of a man for picking up sticks on the sabbath"  Bandit   Aug-27-03 12:36 PM   #57 
     - good catch!  ima_sinnic   Aug-27-03 12:50 PM   #61 
  - Actually...  atreides1   Aug-27-03 12:07 PM   #43 
  - Because 7 out of the 10 commandments are not  mandyky   Aug-27-03 12:08 PM   #44 
  - ah, the "basis of our laws" lie....  arcane1   Aug-27-03 12:09 PM   #45 
  - Nothing wrong with the 10C...  Zolok   Aug-27-03 12:11 PM   #49 
  - In fact I do know where much of it came from.  DarkPhenyx   Aug-27-03 12:14 PM   #51 
  - The problem is Hypocrisy  makeanoise   Aug-27-03 12:22 PM   #53 
  - Kamika, Posting Them Gives a False Picture of Our Founding Fathers  ribofunk   Aug-27-03 12:30 PM   #56 
  - I can not understand why smart people still believe this deist lie  ChesWickatWork   Aug-27-03 12:43 PM   #59 
     - that doesn't mean they are Christians, either  arcane1   Aug-27-03 01:00 PM   #68 
     - The Deist Thing is Absolutely True  ribofunk   Aug-27-03 03:20 PM   #99 
  - The ten commandments were not a basis of our laws.  Liberal_Guerilla   Aug-27-03 12:43 PM   #58 
  - Why hasn't anyone mentioned the Napoleonic Code?  Wwagsthedog   Aug-27-03 12:52 PM   #62 
  - If people didn't like it they could have walked past it  corarose   Aug-27-03 12:53 PM   #63 
  - Satan  ezmojason   Aug-27-03 12:56 PM   #65 
  - Only if you put it up in his son's hometown  AntiCoup2k   Aug-27-03 06:12 PM   #187 
  - If I had a religion it would be one of the pagan ones.  Clete   Aug-27-03 01:16 PM   #73 
  - I would prefer a statue of The Goddess and The God engaged in the sex act  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 01:29 PM   #80 
  - "Love it or leave it."  edward   Aug-27-03 01:25 PM   #77 
  - Moore refused to do that  sandnsea   Aug-27-03 01:26 PM   #79 
  - Five Precepts  Kusala   Aug-27-03 12:56 PM   #64 
  - thou shalt have no other God's before me?  StandWatie   Aug-27-03 12:56 PM   #66 
  - OK! Challenge Accepted!  mikeytherat   Aug-27-03 01:00 PM   #67 
  - Laws come from society period  Blue_Chill   Aug-27-03 01:05 PM   #71 
  - lol  sujan   Aug-27-03 01:12 PM   #72 
  - The 10C can stay if I can put this statue beside it....  liberal_veteran   Aug-27-03 01:22 PM   #76 
  - Yea that one too.  ezmojason   Aug-27-03 01:32 PM   #81 
  - I want a statue of a male and female engaged in the sex act  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 01:35 PM   #83 
     - kamasutra  sujan   Aug-27-03 01:38 PM   #85 
     - The HECK with statues. I want performance art!  Kanzeon   Aug-27-03 02:00 PM   #90 
        - Simulated safe sex acts are so passe'  Walt Starr   Aug-27-03 03:53 PM   #115 
        - Here ya go!  Clete   Aug-27-03 04:00 PM   #117 
  - I like that statue!  DarkPhenyx   Aug-27-03 02:12 PM   #94 
  - You can buy one here.....  liberal_veteran   Aug-27-03 05:21 PM   #172 
     - Like the site.  Clete   Aug-27-03 05:32 PM   #177 
  - and this one (if the mods allow it)  Uzybone   Aug-27-03 05:36 PM   #178 
  - I can't believe you haven't been reading about this.  Kanzeon   Aug-27-03 01:58 PM   #88 
  - That wasn't the purpose of the monument in AL  donco6   Aug-27-03 02:03 PM   #91 
  - Please see post #67  mikeytherat   Aug-27-03 02:08 PM   #92 
  - NO they DID NOT originate with the 10 c's.  Tyler Durden   Aug-27-03 02:32 PM   #97 
  - I waited all the way to the end to see if anyone would go to  Solomon   Aug-28-03 12:43 AM   #195 
  - Some of our laws derive from English Law too, but  SoCalDem   Aug-27-03 03:25 PM   #101 
  - Anyone  K-W   Aug-27-03 03:27 PM   #103 
  - Are they the basis of our law?  zeemike   Aug-27-03 03:44 PM   #110 
  - Every society has religious dogma designed to prevent it from collapsing  SaveABug   Aug-27-03 03:46 PM   #111 
  - This poster has been tombstoned  goobergunch   Aug-27-03 03:46 PM   #112 
  - I can't say I wish her/him to rest in peace.  BurtWorm   Aug-27-03 04:14 PM   #126 
     - I'm guessing a younger individual  SaveABug   Aug-27-03 04:17 PM   #129 
        - Don't hang there too long, SaveaBug.  BurtWorm   Aug-27-03 04:22 PM   #141 
           - yeah  Kamika   Aug-29-03 12:27 PM   #202 
           - yeah  Kamika   Aug-29-03 12:27 PM   #203 
  - Because Americans are coveters and idolators  mandyky   Aug-27-03 04:48 PM   #167 
  - totally disagree  Uzybone   Aug-27-03 05:21 PM   #173 
  - I usually stay off of threads  pbl   Aug-27-03 05:22 PM   #174 
  - Nothing "bad" about the ten commandments - you miss the point  Booberdawg   Aug-27-03 06:21 PM   #189 
  - The government shall not favor one religion over another  rustydog   Aug-27-03 06:24 PM   #190 
  - God is in the heart and soul, not in a chunk of granite  Section_43   Aug-28-03 01:15 AM   #197 
  - You're full of it.  Ein   Aug-28-03 01:18 AM   #198 
  - The Supreme Court Priority System  Einstein   Aug-29-03 01:10 AM   #199 
  - There's only two commandments that are laws  janekat   Aug-29-03 01:35 AM   #201 
 

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