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How many times does this have to be posted here. The ten commandments HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH LAWS!!!
Four are specifically religious in nature and have nothing to do with the law.
One is about lying and only has any application to the law when under oath. Lying is not a crime otherwise.
One is about personal sexual morality and has nothing to do with the law.
Coveting is absolutely necessary for a healthy capitalistic society and has absolutely nothing to do with the law.
Honoring your parents is a personal thing and has nothing to do with the law.
What you're left with is stealing and murdering. Both are so universal as to indicate the ten commandments are unnecessary to make these two a part of the law. Every culture worldwide prohibits these regardless of religion.
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| -What was really "bad" with the ten commandments? |
Kamika |
Aug-27-03 11:38 AM |
#0 |
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That was not the point - the point is separation of church |
molly |
Aug-27-03 11:40 AM |
#1 |
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I disagree |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 01:03 PM |
#70 |
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It was intended to prevent the establishment of a defacto state religion. |
Brian Sweat |
Aug-27-03 01:25 PM |
#78 |
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Oh and what is the defacto religion established by the 10? |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 01:34 PM |
#82 |
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"not meant to impose secularism " |
reprobate |
Aug-27-03 02:58 PM |
#98 |
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I disagree |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 03:25 PM |
#102 |
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No connection. |
edward |
Aug-27-03 03:37 PM |
#107 |
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Not so fast |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:03 PM |
#118 |
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lol |
sujan |
Aug-27-03 04:09 PM |
#121 |
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The use of land does come at public expense |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:12 PM |
#124 |
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so |
sujan |
Aug-27-03 04:16 PM |
#128 |
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Where did that come from? |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:18 PM |
#132 |
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I am just peeking thru your pipe dream |
sujan |
Aug-27-03 04:20 PM |
#135 |
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Well then pass the pipe |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:28 PM |
#146 |
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I'd like to see you react |
sujan |
Aug-27-03 04:31 PM |
#148 |
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The entire pledge is stupid |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:32 PM |
#151 |
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There is a difference between private sponsorship using public |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 03:52 PM |
#114 |
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Don't get me wrong Walt |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:05 PM |
#119 |
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Just so long as you agree |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 04:11 PM |
#123 |
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I don't agree with all of that |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:15 PM |
#127 |
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Sorry, but you have to take it |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 04:18 PM |
#133 |
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I disagree |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:30 PM |
#147 |
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You still don't get it |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 04:34 PM |
#153 |
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I wouldn't display that |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:39 PM |
#160 |
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We could do a statue of oral sex |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 04:41 PM |
#162 |
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What religion is that? |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 05:29 PM |
#176 |
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church soccer |
KinkyDem |
Aug-27-03 04:07 PM |
#120 |
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4 ton statue would get in the way |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:17 PM |
#130 |
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So long as a monument with "The Bible is nothing but a fairy tale" |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 04:22 PM |
#138 |
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Right... |
KinkyDem |
Aug-27-03 04:50 PM |
#168 |
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The big difference between... |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-27-03 03:23 PM |
#100 |
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I'm not questioning the wisdom |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 03:28 PM |
#104 |
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You're awfully narrow in your interpretation! |
Interrobang |
Aug-27-03 03:33 PM |
#105 |
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I don't buy it |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 03:35 PM |
#106 |
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You conflate tolerance with law. |
edward |
Aug-27-03 03:41 PM |
#109 |
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Then you have an issue |
Nota_Robought |
Aug-27-03 04:44 PM |
#164 |
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I have an issue with all intolerant poeple that want the law |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 05:47 PM |
#184 |
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It endorses a particular kind of religion |
Sophree |
Aug-27-03 03:49 PM |
#113 |
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I disagree |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:11 PM |
#122 |
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It not only endorses a specific religion, it establishes it as official |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 04:13 PM |
#125 |
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That's different |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:20 PM |
#136 |
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Nope, allow one and you must allow them all |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 04:24 PM |
#143 |
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Step out of the thought box |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:31 PM |
#150 |
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Nope, not acceptable |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 04:35 PM |
#156 |
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I already told you |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:38 PM |
#158 |
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And I told you |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 04:44 PM |
#163 |
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So then |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 05:40 PM |
#182 |
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Its also possible to |
Solomon |
Aug-28-03 12:13 AM |
#192 |
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You know what... |
KinkyDem |
Aug-27-03 04:18 PM |
#131 |
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There's a finer distinction there |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 04:20 PM |
#134 |
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yeah well... |
KinkyDem |
Aug-27-03 04:44 PM |
#165 |
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I sort of see your point |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 04:46 PM |
#166 |
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See when someone says |
KinkyDem |
Aug-27-03 04:58 PM |
#169 |
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You should |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:22 PM |
#140 |
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But you are all christians. |
Solomon |
Aug-28-03 12:16 AM |
#193 |
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I can tell you the difference between |
Nota_Robought |
Aug-27-03 04:39 PM |
#159 |
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HA! Look who's talking. |
Sophree |
Aug-27-03 04:21 PM |
#137 |
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Great argument |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:23 PM |
#142 |
| -
Butthead |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 04:27 PM |
#145 |
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lol |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:32 PM |
#152 |
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I was referring to your "separation of church and state |
Sophree |
Aug-27-03 04:31 PM |
#149 |
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Well then |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:35 PM |
#155 |
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Neutrality is the best option.... |
liberal_veteran |
Aug-27-03 05:12 PM |
#170 |
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answers |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 05:36 PM |
#179 |
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Your Avatar Image Says It All Blue_Chill |
CO Liberal |
Aug-27-03 05:17 PM |
#171 |
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Please..... |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 05:39 PM |
# |
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And how would you enforce that? |
liberal_veteran |
Aug-27-03 05:53 PM |
#185 |
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I'm not that petty and you aren't paying attention |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 06:00 PM |
# |
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I agree and they can display it on PRIVATE land. |
liberal_veteran |
Aug-27-03 06:12 PM |
#188 |
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Why not? |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 11:52 PM |
#191 |
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dupe |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 06:00 PM |
#186 |
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duplicate |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 05:39 PM |
#180 |
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duplicate |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 05:39 PM |
#181 |
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what's the difference? |
noiretblu |
Aug-27-03 02:12 PM |
#95 |
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Forcing to do what? |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 02:18 PM |
#96 |
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Think about this for a minute BC |
KinkyDem |
Aug-27-03 04:22 PM |
#139 |
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First off I'm scared shitless in front of any judge |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 04:37 PM |
#157 |
| -
Ypou mean like |
KinkyDem |
Aug-27-03 04:41 PM |
#161 |
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Yes like Moore |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 05:42 PM |
#183 |
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You Don't Know Crap About Separation of Church and State |
Einstein |
Aug-29-03 01:12 AM |
#200 |
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Yes from Mesopotania |
bahrbearian |
Aug-27-03 11:43 AM |
#2 |
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And before that the |
Solomon |
Aug-28-03 12:21 AM |
#194 |
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The ten commandments have little to do with our laws. |
Clete |
Aug-27-03 11:43 AM |
#3 |
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I agree |
schrodinger_I |
Aug-27-03 11:48 AM |
#7 |
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Actually I don't think it was English Common Law |
TSElliott |
Aug-27-03 11:49 AM |
#13 |
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The Magna Carta is more like the Bill of Rights |
dpbrown |
Aug-27-03 12:02 PM |
#36 |
| -
I find it hard to believe |
Twenty3 |
Aug-27-03 12:00 PM |
#29 |
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My understanding is the Big Ten were a good fit for |
Clete |
Aug-27-03 01:00 PM |
#69 |
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That's the kicker. |
FlaGranny |
Aug-27-03 03:39 PM |
#108 |
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public buildings are for everyone |
leftofthedial |
Aug-27-03 11:46 AM |
#4 |
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Jehova's Witnesses and Mormons are Christians too |
monkeyboy |
Aug-27-03 11:47 AM |
#5 |
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Or how about one of Ron Hubbard's Scientology tomes? |
Clete |
Aug-27-03 11:49 AM |
#9 |
| -
Or an inflatable Santa Claus... |
monkeyboy |
Aug-27-03 11:55 AM |
#23 |
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well youre missing my point |
Kamika |
Aug-27-03 11:54 AM |
#21 |
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No, you're missing MY point |
monkeyboy |
Aug-27-03 11:58 AM |
#27 |
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Historical or not, they don't belong in a public building. |
LibertyChick |
Aug-27-03 12:10 PM |
#47 |
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That was not the intent of the display |
Az |
Aug-27-03 12:28 PM |
#55 |
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That's where you're wrong |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 03:57 PM |
#116 |
| -
What a leap |
HFishbine |
Aug-27-03 04:25 PM |
#144 |
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Couple of things |
a_random_joel |
Aug-27-03 11:47 AM |
#6 |
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Well said!!! |
schrodinger_I |
Aug-27-03 11:49 AM |
#12 |
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Just a minor point |
rock |
Aug-27-03 12:16 PM |
#52 |
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Laws of Hammurabi are the origination of civilized law written in 1750 BC, |
radwriter0555 |
Aug-27-03 11:48 AM |
#8 |
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Well it was their municipal code. |
Clete |
Aug-27-03 11:52 AM |
#18 |
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Kill, Steal, Perjury |
ComerPerro |
Aug-27-03 11:49 AM |
#10 |
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I don't count lying |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 11:58 AM |
#28 |
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Thats how I meant to refer to it |
ComerPerro |
Aug-27-03 01:21 PM |
#75 |
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Funny... |
RobertSeattle |
Aug-27-03 12:01 PM |
#34 |
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I will have you know that the God of Alablama |
ComerPerro |
Aug-27-03 01:18 PM |
#74 |
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Twice now... |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-27-03 12:49 PM |
#60 |
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I love that George Carlin bit |
ComerPerro |
Aug-27-03 01:38 PM |
#84 |
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I think it is in all 50 states. |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-27-03 01:46 PM |
#87 |
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Im not clear on that one |
ComerPerro |
Aug-27-03 01:59 PM |
#89 |
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It's one of those things... |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-27-03 02:09 PM |
#93 |
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God doesn't like it when |
Virginian |
Aug-27-03 04:34 PM |
#154 |
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It would be fine if the 10Cs were in there with |
eyesroll |
Aug-27-03 11:49 AM |
#11 |
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I'll tell you why thery were bad |
DuctapeFatwa |
Aug-27-03 11:50 AM |
#14 |
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Sweetie, the ten commandments are part of the Torah. |
aquart |
Aug-27-03 12:14 PM |
#50 |
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I know that and you know that, but do Alabama fundies know that? |
DuctapeFatwa |
Aug-27-03 12:23 PM |
#54 |
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1. It was an act of pure vandalism.... |
liberal_veteran |
Aug-27-03 11:50 AM |
#15 |
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Gawd damn right |
monkeyboy |
Aug-27-03 12:00 PM |
#31 |
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We have laws about worshipping false gods? |
vi5 |
Aug-27-03 11:51 AM |
#16 |
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"Thou shall not feed the poor, |
edward |
Aug-27-03 12:10 PM |
#48 |
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Sorry but do some research before saying something patently false |
Caution |
Aug-27-03 11:51 AM |
#17 |
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When countries are governed by religious law, burnings, hangings |
Aristus |
Aug-27-03 11:52 AM |
#19 |
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BULLSHIT!!!! |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 11:54 AM |
#20 |
| -
Western legal theory owes as much to Hammurabi as to Moses |
dpbrown |
Aug-27-03 11:55 AM |
#22 |
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With all respect for Kamika |
HereSince1628 |
Aug-27-03 11:56 AM |
#24 |
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Because the foyer of the Supreme Court |
dsc |
Aug-27-03 11:56 AM |
#25 |
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Where did those 10 commandments come from? |
BurtWorm |
Aug-27-03 11:57 AM |
#26 |
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And the Code of Hammurabi is posted in the SCOTUS |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 12:00 PM |
#30 |
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This is exactly what the people on the steps are saying. |
Ripley |
Aug-27-03 12:01 PM |
#32 |
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Weakening of Chritianity? |
hexola |
Aug-27-03 12:01 PM |
#33 |
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Well said |
Uzybone |
Aug-27-03 05:28 PM |
#175 |
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That's a great point. |
screembloodymurder |
Aug-28-03 01:08 AM |
#196 |
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Is it okay if I chisel hieroglyphs of Osiris and Isis on public property? |
liberal_veteran |
Aug-27-03 12:02 PM |
#35 |
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Speaking of Egypt |
Mairead |
Aug-27-03 01:39 PM |
#86 |
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Our laws did not "originate" from the ten commandments. |
aquart |
Aug-27-03 12:02 PM |
#37 |
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More pure hypocracy than homage |
party_line |
Aug-27-03 12:02 PM |
#38 |
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right wing zealots |
sujan |
Aug-27-03 12:03 PM |
#39 |
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If people didn't covet their neighbors' possessions, the economy would... |
jchild |
Aug-27-03 12:04 PM |
#40 |
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Good point, Capitalism depends on Coveting |
dpbrown |
Aug-27-03 12:10 PM |
#46 |
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The basis of our laws, perhaps, but not of our government |
rocknation |
Aug-27-03 12:04 PM |
#41 |
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Lets examine some of the problems with this notion |
Az |
Aug-27-03 12:05 PM |
#42 |
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"god ordered the death of a man for picking up sticks on the sabbath" |
Bandit |
Aug-27-03 12:36 PM |
#57 |
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good catch! |
ima_sinnic |
Aug-27-03 12:50 PM |
#61 |
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Actually... |
atreides1 |
Aug-27-03 12:07 PM |
#43 |
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Because 7 out of the 10 commandments are not |
mandyky |
Aug-27-03 12:08 PM |
#44 |
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ah, the "basis of our laws" lie.... |
arcane1 |
Aug-27-03 12:09 PM |
#45 |
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Nothing wrong with the 10C... |
Zolok |
Aug-27-03 12:11 PM |
#49 |
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In fact I do know where much of it came from. |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-27-03 12:14 PM |
#51 |
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The problem is Hypocrisy |
makeanoise |
Aug-27-03 12:22 PM |
#53 |
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Kamika, Posting Them Gives a False Picture of Our Founding Fathers |
ribofunk |
Aug-27-03 12:30 PM |
#56 |
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I can not understand why smart people still believe this deist lie |
ChesWickatWork |
Aug-27-03 12:43 PM |
#59 |
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that doesn't mean they are Christians, either |
arcane1 |
Aug-27-03 01:00 PM |
#68 |
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The Deist Thing is Absolutely True |
ribofunk |
Aug-27-03 03:20 PM |
#99 |
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The ten commandments were not a basis of our laws. |
Liberal_Guerilla |
Aug-27-03 12:43 PM |
#58 |
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Why hasn't anyone mentioned the Napoleonic Code? |
Wwagsthedog |
Aug-27-03 12:52 PM |
#62 |
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If people didn't like it they could have walked past it |
corarose |
Aug-27-03 12:53 PM |
#63 |
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Satan |
ezmojason |
Aug-27-03 12:56 PM |
#65 |
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Only if you put it up in his son's hometown |
AntiCoup2k |
Aug-27-03 06:12 PM |
#187 |
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If I had a religion it would be one of the pagan ones. |
Clete |
Aug-27-03 01:16 PM |
#73 |
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I would prefer a statue of The Goddess and The God engaged in the sex act |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 01:29 PM |
#80 |
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"Love it or leave it." |
edward |
Aug-27-03 01:25 PM |
#77 |
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Moore refused to do that |
sandnsea |
Aug-27-03 01:26 PM |
#79 |
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Five Precepts |
Kusala |
Aug-27-03 12:56 PM |
#64 |
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thou shalt have no other God's before me? |
StandWatie |
Aug-27-03 12:56 PM |
#66 |
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OK! Challenge Accepted! |
mikeytherat |
Aug-27-03 01:00 PM |
#67 |
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Laws come from society period |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-27-03 01:05 PM |
#71 |
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lol |
sujan |
Aug-27-03 01:12 PM |
#72 |
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The 10C can stay if I can put this statue beside it.... |
liberal_veteran |
Aug-27-03 01:22 PM |
#76 |
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Yea that one too. |
ezmojason |
Aug-27-03 01:32 PM |
#81 |
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I want a statue of a male and female engaged in the sex act |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 01:35 PM |
#83 |
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kamasutra |
sujan |
Aug-27-03 01:38 PM |
#85 |
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The HECK with statues. I want performance art! |
Kanzeon |
Aug-27-03 02:00 PM |
#90 |
| -
Simulated safe sex acts are so passe' |
Walt Starr |
Aug-27-03 03:53 PM |
#115 |
| -
Here ya go! |
Clete |
Aug-27-03 04:00 PM |
#117 |
| -
I like that statue! |
DarkPhenyx |
Aug-27-03 02:12 PM |
#94 |
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You can buy one here..... |
liberal_veteran |
Aug-27-03 05:21 PM |
#172 |
| -
Like the site. |
Clete |
Aug-27-03 05:32 PM |
#177 |
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and this one (if the mods allow it) |
Uzybone |
Aug-27-03 05:36 PM |
#178 |
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I can't believe you haven't been reading about this. |
Kanzeon |
Aug-27-03 01:58 PM |
#88 |
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That wasn't the purpose of the monument in AL |
donco6 |
Aug-27-03 02:03 PM |
#91 |
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Please see post #67 |
mikeytherat |
Aug-27-03 02:08 PM |
#92 |
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NO they DID NOT originate with the 10 c's. |
Tyler Durden |
Aug-27-03 02:32 PM |
#97 |
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I waited all the way to the end to see if anyone would go to |
Solomon |
Aug-28-03 12:43 AM |
#195 |
| -
Some of our laws derive from English Law too, but |
SoCalDem |
Aug-27-03 03:25 PM |
#101 |
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Anyone |
K-W |
Aug-27-03 03:27 PM |
#103 |
| -
Are they the basis of our law? |
zeemike |
Aug-27-03 03:44 PM |
#110 |
| -
Every society has religious dogma designed to prevent it from collapsing |
SaveABug |
Aug-27-03 03:46 PM |
#111 |
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This poster has been tombstoned |
goobergunch |
Aug-27-03 03:46 PM |
#112 |
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I can't say I wish her/him to rest in peace. |
BurtWorm |
Aug-27-03 04:14 PM |
#126 |
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I'm guessing a younger individual |
SaveABug |
Aug-27-03 04:17 PM |
#129 |
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Don't hang there too long, SaveaBug. |
BurtWorm |
Aug-27-03 04:22 PM |
#141 |
| -
yeah |
Kamika |
Aug-29-03 12:27 PM |
#202 |
| -
yeah |
Kamika |
Aug-29-03 12:27 PM |
#203 |
| -
Because Americans are coveters and idolators |
mandyky |
Aug-27-03 04:48 PM |
#167 |
| -
totally disagree |
Uzybone |
Aug-27-03 05:21 PM |
#173 |
| -
I usually stay off of threads |
pbl |
Aug-27-03 05:22 PM |
#174 |
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Nothing "bad" about the ten commandments - you miss the point |
Booberdawg |
Aug-27-03 06:21 PM |
#189 |
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The government shall not favor one religion over another |
rustydog |
Aug-27-03 06:24 PM |
#190 |
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God is in the heart and soul, not in a chunk of granite |
Section_43 |
Aug-28-03 01:15 AM |
#197 |
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You're full of it. |
Ein |
Aug-28-03 01:18 AM |
#198 |
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The Supreme Court Priority System |
Einstein |
Aug-29-03 01:10 AM |
#199 |
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There's only two commandments that are laws |
janekat |
Aug-29-03 01:35 AM |
#201 |
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