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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #97
122. For an alternative review
Check out Walter Chaw's.

And not looking for politics doesn't mean I don't look for cultural significance. I may have misspoken, as I didn't get my meaning across. I apologise.

What I was trying to convey is that I don't look for overt political messages in films that aren't intended to convey them. That path leads to things like charges of racism in the Lord of the Rings films, etc.

In my opinion, of course. And that's what art is all about. :D
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  -I just saw "Hero" and it's very right wing. AP  Sep-04-04 11:25 PM   #0 
  - Isn't that a Tarantino movie?  Ohio Dem   Sep-04-04 11:28 PM   #1 
  - I don't think he wrote or directed it. I've heard that he was involved  MirrorAshes   Sep-04-04 11:32 PM   #3 
  - He has a deal with Miramax to find movies for M to distribute.  AP   Sep-04-04 11:39 PM   #4 
  - Well, I haven't seen it. But I'm willing to take your word for this,  Ohio Dem   Sep-04-04 11:58 PM   #6 
     - It's interesting, and there are some amazing scenes, but it's just  AP   Sep-05-04 12:25 AM   #9 
        - Yeah, the end is what did it.  joshcryer   Sep-05-04 01:46 AM   #30 
  - I think you are being silly  Sailorman   Sep-05-04 06:29 PM   #45 
  - Read the articles in my posts at the very bottom.  AP   Sep-05-04 08:01 PM   #49 
  - oh come on now, everybody dies in Tarantino flicks  tinanator   Sep-06-04 12:10 PM   #103 
  - I Fell Asleep -  otohara   Sep-04-04 11:29 PM   #2 
  - The cowboys won, and apparently the indians should be happy about it.  AP   Sep-04-04 11:40 PM   #5 
  - Yeah...they should have a speed reading contest with that movie!  Tight_rope   Sep-06-04 12:03 AM   #67 
  - Actually, the message could be interpreted that way...  familydoctor   Sep-05-04 12:12 AM   #7 
  - What I  warrior1   Sep-05-04 12:17 AM   #8 
  - Sure, there was a lot going on, but that last scene pretty firmly set out  AP   Sep-05-04 12:32 AM   #11 
     - is this about the Qin dynasty?  NuttyFluffers   Sep-05-04 12:49 AM   #13 
        - The potential subject matter for a film is infinite. There's no...  AP   Sep-05-04 12:56 AM   #14 
        - yes, Qin dynasty  librechik   Sep-05-04 01:23 AM   #23 
           - The assassin wasn't sacrificing himself. He was telling the king that you  AP   Sep-05-04 01:30 AM   #26 
              - I think he *was* sacrificing himself.  joshcryer   Sep-05-04 01:53 AM   #32 
                 - He was taking a risk. But the upside was that the king was going...  AP   Sep-05-04 01:57 AM   #34 
                    - but, since it's the Qin dynasty, the emperor also lost.  NuttyFluffers   Sep-05-04 07:05 PM   #46 
                       - I made that same argument once about Europa, Europa...  AP   Sep-05-04 07:59 PM   #48 
  - I'd call it more authoritarian than right wing. (nt)  FeebMaster   Sep-05-04 12:28 AM   #10 
  - It was about imperialism.  AP   Sep-05-04 12:34 AM   #12 
  - I thought the same thing.  BillyBunter   Sep-05-04 01:05 AM   #15 
  - I think about 30 seconds of editing and a different title card at the end  AP   Sep-05-04 01:09 AM   #17 
  - I haven't seen it yet so I can't comment on the film itself  gee double you bee   Sep-05-04 01:07 AM   #16 
  - I should make it clear that I'm not trying to discourage anyone from pay-  AP   Sep-05-04 01:12 AM   #18 
  - .  gee double you bee   Sep-05-04 01:18 AM   #20 
     - Why are you blowing your cover in a thread about a movie?  AP   Sep-05-04 01:26 AM   #25 
        - Stop being foolish  gee double you bee   Sep-05-04 01:31 AM   #29 
           - Welcome to DU gee double you bee  Tight_rope   Sep-06-04 12:07 AM   #69 
  - DON'T WASTE YOU MONEY GOING TO SEE IT...IT'S BULLSHIT!  Tight_rope   Sep-06-04 12:05 AM   #68 
  - It begs the question then....****** spoiler alert *****  familydoctor   Sep-05-04 01:17 AM   #19 
  - No, I think it would have been better if it didn't make the argument  AP   Sep-05-04 01:22 AM   #22 
     - Yeah...I know what you mean....  familydoctor   Sep-05-04 01:31 AM   #28 
  - I saw it and thought it pro-fascist in the theme.  ezmojason   Sep-05-04 01:22 AM   #21 
  - Message: "we're killing you for peace -- it's for your own good"  AP   Sep-05-04 01:25 AM   #24 
     - Kind of like Luke Skywalker joining...  ezmojason   Sep-05-04 01:31 AM   #27 
     - "Message: "we're killing you for peace -- it's for your own good""  gee double you bee   Sep-05-04 01:51 AM   #31 
        - No. It doesn't. There's a title card at the end of the movie which  AP   Sep-05-04 01:54 AM   #33 
        - I would like to suggest seeing it before...  ezmojason   Sep-05-04 01:59 AM   #35 
  - It's visually very beautiful  Kitsune   Sep-05-04 02:13 AM   #36 
  - Arguable.  DrWeird   Sep-05-04 02:24 AM   #37 
  - Actually No  Orion82   Sep-05-04 02:30 AM   #38 
  - You mean the story of a bloody tyrant and the victims who love him.  ezmojason   Sep-05-04 02:43 AM   #39 
  - Hero is pro-Fascism - one of the stars supports the Tiananmen massacre!  Democat   Sep-05-04 05:59 PM   #40 
  - I think you completely missed the point of "Hero"  Nlighten1   Sep-05-04 06:08 PM   #41 
  - I've done a little research, and it turns out a lot of Chinese scholars...  AP   Sep-05-04 06:11 PM   #42 
  - Link?  Nlighten1   Sep-05-04 08:46 PM   #51 
     - Two posts down. Mr. Chen, I believe is his name.  AP   Sep-05-04 10:15 PM   #59 
        - I read that one already...  Nlighten1   Sep-06-04 02:25 AM   #84 
           - Evans Chan is a film scholar  AP   Sep-06-04 10:01 AM   #91 
              - he is "a" film scholar  Nlighten1   Sep-06-04 10:13 AM   #96 
  - ...furthermore, I've been much more generous to Yimou than others.  AP   Sep-05-04 06:20 PM   #43 
  - Here's another person who agrees:  AP   Sep-05-04 06:25 PM   #44 
     - that's a great link, thanks  NuttyFluffers   Sep-05-04 07:52 PM   #47 
  - Love the picture in your signature  Comicstripper   Sep-05-04 08:38 PM   #50 
  - Have'nt seen it yet  walldude   Sep-05-04 08:53 PM   #52 
  - Good Grief, AP! You and I can't agree on anything! "Hero" was to me an  KoKo01   Sep-05-04 08:53 PM   #53 
  - Read the links in posts 43 and 44 and do a Google search.  AP   Sep-05-04 10:16 PM   #60 
     - But isn't that the point of opinions about art?  lazarus   Sep-06-04 01:40 AM   #75 
        - These aren't votes. These are arguments.  AP   Sep-06-04 10:15 AM   #97 
           - For an alternative review  lazarus   Sep-06-04 02:25 PM   #122 
              - Hero is SO MUCH about politics. It's about the formation of the country  AP   Sep-06-04 02:52 PM   #126 
                 - First  lazarus   Sep-06-04 03:28 PM   #128 
                    - The right-wing part is this:  AP   Sep-06-04 03:34 PM   #129 
                    - One more thing:  AP   Sep-06-04 03:38 PM   #131 
                       - Understood  lazarus   Sep-06-04 04:15 PM   #133 
  - Ha!  adamrsilva   Sep-05-04 08:53 PM   #54 
  - Did you get that Itzak Perleman played the cello for the soundtrack and  KoKo01   Sep-05-04 09:00 PM   #55 
     - One of the stars of the movie supported the Tiananmen Square massacre!  Democat   Sep-05-04 10:53 PM   #63 
        - So?  lazarus   Sep-06-04 01:41 AM   #76 
           - The person I replied to was talking about the cello player!  Democat   Sep-06-04 05:16 AM   #85 
           - I misunderstood  lazarus   Sep-06-04 02:26 PM   #123 
           - The point isn't that an actor in the film had this opinion.  AP   Sep-06-04 10:11 AM   #95 
  - Utter Bullshit  Northwind   Sep-05-04 09:11 PM   #56 
  - Read the links in posts 43 and 44. They go into more detail and are  AP   Sep-05-04 10:18 PM   #61 
     - Read 'em, so what?  Northwind   Sep-06-04 07:21 AM   #88 
        - I'm going to guess from that nonesense...  AP   Sep-06-04 10:09 AM   #94 
  - Are You Serious?  InfoMinister   Sep-05-04 09:12 PM   #57 
  - Very ironic statement given your name.  ezmojason   Sep-05-04 09:15 PM   #58 
     - Excellent comment.  AP   Sep-05-04 10:18 PM   #62 
     - I Think Some People Take Films Too Seriously  InfoMinister   Sep-06-04 01:21 AM   #73 
        - I thought it was a pretty good film...  ezmojason   Sep-06-04 01:34 AM   #74 
        - and Battleship Potemkin and Alexander Nevsky are also great movies  AP   Sep-06-04 10:06 AM   #92 
        - Right wing sites aren't going to use cultural criticism to discredit...  AP   Sep-06-04 10:08 AM   #93 
           - Conspiracies Are What I'm Talking About  InfoMinister   Sep-06-04 10:58 AM   #99 
              - And I could take quotes from the freepers or Lucianniacs  meluseth   Sep-06-04 01:22 PM   #107 
                 - It's Subjective  InfoMinister   Sep-06-04 01:34 PM   #110 
                    - Some people are trained historians  meluseth   Sep-06-04 01:37 PM   #111 
                       - That Doesn't Make Any Sense  InfoMinister   Sep-06-04 01:45 PM   #113 
                          - A movie is not just entertainment, is the point  meluseth   Sep-06-04 01:49 PM   #114 
                             - I Read The Books  InfoMinister   Sep-06-04 01:52 PM   #115 
                                - I don't know why you are determined to separate movies from other  meluseth   Sep-06-04 02:01 PM   #117 
                                   - Why Do You Feel It's So Important To Change My Mind?  InfoMinister   Sep-06-04 02:02 PM   #118 
                                      - I'm not trying to change your mind, just pointing out flaws in your logic  meluseth   Sep-06-04 02:12 PM   #119 
                                         - I Say It's All Based on Perception  InfoMinister   Sep-06-04 02:15 PM   #120 
                                            - Well, that's very postmodernist, isn't it?  meluseth   Sep-06-04 02:18 PM   #121 
  - Funny, Ive heard it describe as sympathetic with commies.  cosmicvortex20   Sep-05-04 11:01 PM   #64 
  - Michael Tapper might say it's sympathetic with some of the fascistic  AP   Sep-06-04 12:35 AM   #71 
     - I think their is a better term for these type systems...  cosmicvortex20   Sep-06-04 01:20 AM   #72 
  - Actually it's (probably) very Chinese...  amjsjc   Sep-05-04 11:26 PM   #65 
  - See post 44 for Mr Chan's argument about that issue.  AP   Sep-06-04 12:32 AM   #70 
     - Yes, perfectly plausible  amjsjc   Sep-06-04 01:56 AM   #80 
  - I saw that stupid movie today too...Totally BULLSHIT!  Tight_rope   Sep-06-04 12:02 AM   #66 
  - That's a shame  lazarus   Sep-06-04 01:45 AM   #77 
  - Review from the Asia Times  meluseth   Sep-06-04 01:50 AM   #78 
  - Exactly spot on.  ezmojason   Sep-06-04 01:58 AM   #81 
  - From the Salon.com Review that does not share your view  Susang   Sep-06-04 01:54 AM   #79 
  - That is an incredibly weak argument, and very circumstantial evidence.  AP   Sep-06-04 09:17 AM   #90 
     - I can play the "support my point of view" game too  Susang   Sep-06-04 12:07 PM   #101 
        - What's your argument about the film?  AP   Sep-06-04 12:10 PM   #102 
        - "Simply descriptive"?  Susang   Sep-06-04 12:43 PM   #104 
           - That isn't really a counterargument.  AP   Sep-06-04 01:08 PM   #106 
           - Interpret as you will  Susang   Sep-06-04 01:30 PM   #109 
              - I think what those reviews show...  AP   Sep-06-04 01:53 PM   #116 
                 - Then you and I disagree  Susang   Sep-06-04 02:37 PM   #124 
                    - I just don't think that's much of an argument.  AP   Sep-06-04 02:49 PM   #125 
           - Thanks Susang...The movie has incredible symbolism. I'm planning on  KoKo01   Sep-06-04 01:22 PM   #108 
              - It usually takes me several viewings  Susang   Sep-06-04 01:37 PM   #112 
                 - I Need To See It Again, Because It Read So Damn Fast  otohara   Sep-06-04 03:37 PM   #130 
        - Chinese culture is a lot different than US culture  NewJeffCT   Sep-07-04 12:10 PM   #137 
  - For those who care, some biographical info on the director  Susang   Sep-06-04 01:58 AM   #82 
  - Other biographies note that he eventually gives in to the powers that be  Democat   Sep-06-04 05:19 AM   #86 
     - You lose!  mkuhl   Sep-06-04 10:32 AM   #98 
     - The movie makes a hero of another murderous megalomaniac leader  Democat   Sep-06-04 03:05 PM   #127 
        - Actually, it makes a hero of a murderous assassin.  DrWeird   Sep-07-04 11:58 AM   #136 
     - Yes, obviously this director is exactly the same as Leni Riefenstahl  Susang   Sep-06-04 11:08 AM   #100 
        - You have to remember  sir_captain   Sep-07-04 12:34 PM   #138 
  - Hate the politics, but love the art  Columbia   Sep-06-04 02:20 AM   #83 
  - "Hero" is not as mainstream as "Crouching Tiger"  0007   Sep-06-04 05:28 AM   #87 
  - Usualy I'm at odds with you on other subjects, but  Capt_Nemo   Sep-06-04 07:33 AM   #89 
  - Does it feel tacked on? Some sort of Beijing influence on the film?  jpgray   Sep-06-04 12:50 PM   #105 
  - I heard  RedDragon   Sep-06-04 03:39 PM   #132 
  - How so? I would say it is more anti-Bush, who just happens to be  Vickers   Sep-07-04 11:50 AM   #134 
  - Assumptions about who the Hero is?  RichardRay   Sep-07-04 11:55 AM   #135 
 

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