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Sun Sep-05-04 08:53 PM
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I see your point but it was clearly communist propoganda/Chinese nationalist! Not that I didn't like it.  |
| -I just saw "Hero" and it's very right wing. |
AP |
Sep-04-04 11:25 PM |
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Isn't that a Tarantino movie? |
Ohio Dem |
Sep-04-04 11:28 PM |
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I don't think he wrote or directed it. I've heard that he was involved |
MirrorAshes |
Sep-04-04 11:32 PM |
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He has a deal with Miramax to find movies for M to distribute. |
AP |
Sep-04-04 11:39 PM |
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Well, I haven't seen it. But I'm willing to take your word for this, |
Ohio Dem |
Sep-04-04 11:58 PM |
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It's interesting, and there are some amazing scenes, but it's just |
AP |
Sep-05-04 12:25 AM |
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Yeah, the end is what did it. |
joshcryer |
Sep-05-04 01:46 AM |
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I think you are being silly |
Sailorman |
Sep-05-04 06:29 PM |
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Read the articles in my posts at the very bottom. |
AP |
Sep-05-04 08:01 PM |
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oh come on now, everybody dies in Tarantino flicks |
tinanator |
Sep-06-04 12:10 PM |
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I Fell Asleep - |
otohara |
Sep-04-04 11:29 PM |
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The cowboys won, and apparently the indians should be happy about it. |
AP |
Sep-04-04 11:40 PM |
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Yeah...they should have a speed reading contest with that movie! |
Tight_rope |
Sep-06-04 12:03 AM |
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Actually, the message could be interpreted that way... |
familydoctor |
Sep-05-04 12:12 AM |
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What I |
warrior1 |
Sep-05-04 12:17 AM |
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Sure, there was a lot going on, but that last scene pretty firmly set out |
AP |
Sep-05-04 12:32 AM |
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is this about the Qin dynasty? |
NuttyFluffers |
Sep-05-04 12:49 AM |
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The potential subject matter for a film is infinite. There's no... |
AP |
Sep-05-04 12:56 AM |
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yes, Qin dynasty |
librechik |
Sep-05-04 01:23 AM |
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The assassin wasn't sacrificing himself. He was telling the king that you |
AP |
Sep-05-04 01:30 AM |
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I think he *was* sacrificing himself. |
joshcryer |
Sep-05-04 01:53 AM |
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He was taking a risk. But the upside was that the king was going... |
AP |
Sep-05-04 01:57 AM |
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but, since it's the Qin dynasty, the emperor also lost. |
NuttyFluffers |
Sep-05-04 07:05 PM |
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I made that same argument once about Europa, Europa... |
AP |
Sep-05-04 07:59 PM |
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I'd call it more authoritarian than right wing. (nt) |
FeebMaster |
Sep-05-04 12:28 AM |
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It was about imperialism. |
AP |
Sep-05-04 12:34 AM |
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I thought the same thing. |
BillyBunter |
Sep-05-04 01:05 AM |
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I think about 30 seconds of editing and a different title card at the end |
AP |
Sep-05-04 01:09 AM |
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I haven't seen it yet so I can't comment on the film itself |
gee double you bee |
Sep-05-04 01:07 AM |
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I should make it clear that I'm not trying to discourage anyone from pay- |
AP |
Sep-05-04 01:12 AM |
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. |
gee double you bee |
Sep-05-04 01:18 AM |
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Why are you blowing your cover in a thread about a movie? |
AP |
Sep-05-04 01:26 AM |
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Stop being foolish |
gee double you bee |
Sep-05-04 01:31 AM |
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Welcome to DU gee double you bee |
Tight_rope |
Sep-06-04 12:07 AM |
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DON'T WASTE YOU MONEY GOING TO SEE IT...IT'S BULLSHIT! |
Tight_rope |
Sep-06-04 12:05 AM |
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It begs the question then....****** spoiler alert ***** |
familydoctor |
Sep-05-04 01:17 AM |
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No, I think it would have been better if it didn't make the argument |
AP |
Sep-05-04 01:22 AM |
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Yeah...I know what you mean.... |
familydoctor |
Sep-05-04 01:31 AM |
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I saw it and thought it pro-fascist in the theme. |
ezmojason |
Sep-05-04 01:22 AM |
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Message: "we're killing you for peace -- it's for your own good" |
AP |
Sep-05-04 01:25 AM |
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Kind of like Luke Skywalker joining... |
ezmojason |
Sep-05-04 01:31 AM |
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"Message: "we're killing you for peace -- it's for your own good"" |
gee double you bee |
Sep-05-04 01:51 AM |
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No. It doesn't. There's a title card at the end of the movie which |
AP |
Sep-05-04 01:54 AM |
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I would like to suggest seeing it before... |
ezmojason |
Sep-05-04 01:59 AM |
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It's visually very beautiful |
Kitsune |
Sep-05-04 02:13 AM |
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Arguable. |
DrWeird |
Sep-05-04 02:24 AM |
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Actually No |
Orion82 |
Sep-05-04 02:30 AM |
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You mean the story of a bloody tyrant and the victims who love him. |
ezmojason |
Sep-05-04 02:43 AM |
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Hero is pro-Fascism - one of the stars supports the Tiananmen massacre! |
Democat |
Sep-05-04 05:59 PM |
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I think you completely missed the point of "Hero" |
Nlighten1 |
Sep-05-04 06:08 PM |
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I've done a little research, and it turns out a lot of Chinese scholars... |
AP |
Sep-05-04 06:11 PM |
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Link? |
Nlighten1 |
Sep-05-04 08:46 PM |
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Two posts down. Mr. Chen, I believe is his name. |
AP |
Sep-05-04 10:15 PM |
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I read that one already... |
Nlighten1 |
Sep-06-04 02:25 AM |
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Evans Chan is a film scholar |
AP |
Sep-06-04 10:01 AM |
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he is "a" film scholar |
Nlighten1 |
Sep-06-04 10:13 AM |
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...furthermore, I've been much more generous to Yimou than others. |
AP |
Sep-05-04 06:20 PM |
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Here's another person who agrees: |
AP |
Sep-05-04 06:25 PM |
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that's a great link, thanks |
NuttyFluffers |
Sep-05-04 07:52 PM |
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Love the picture in your signature |
Comicstripper |
Sep-05-04 08:38 PM |
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Have'nt seen it yet |
walldude |
Sep-05-04 08:53 PM |
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Good Grief, AP! You and I can't agree on anything! "Hero" was to me an |
KoKo01 |
Sep-05-04 08:53 PM |
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Read the links in posts 43 and 44 and do a Google search. |
AP |
Sep-05-04 10:16 PM |
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But isn't that the point of opinions about art? |
lazarus |
Sep-06-04 01:40 AM |
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These aren't votes. These are arguments. |
AP |
Sep-06-04 10:15 AM |
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For an alternative review |
lazarus |
Sep-06-04 02:25 PM |
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Hero is SO MUCH about politics. It's about the formation of the country |
AP |
Sep-06-04 02:52 PM |
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First |
lazarus |
Sep-06-04 03:28 PM |
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The right-wing part is this: |
AP |
Sep-06-04 03:34 PM |
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One more thing: |
AP |
Sep-06-04 03:38 PM |
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Understood |
lazarus |
Sep-06-04 04:15 PM |
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Ha! |
adamrsilva |
Sep-05-04 08:53 PM |
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Did you get that Itzak Perleman played the cello for the soundtrack and |
KoKo01 |
Sep-05-04 09:00 PM |
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One of the stars of the movie supported the Tiananmen Square massacre! |
Democat |
Sep-05-04 10:53 PM |
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So? |
lazarus |
Sep-06-04 01:41 AM |
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The person I replied to was talking about the cello player! |
Democat |
Sep-06-04 05:16 AM |
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I misunderstood |
lazarus |
Sep-06-04 02:26 PM |
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The point isn't that an actor in the film had this opinion. |
AP |
Sep-06-04 10:11 AM |
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Utter Bullshit |
Northwind |
Sep-05-04 09:11 PM |
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Read the links in posts 43 and 44. They go into more detail and are |
AP |
Sep-05-04 10:18 PM |
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Read 'em, so what? |
Northwind |
Sep-06-04 07:21 AM |
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I'm going to guess from that nonesense... |
AP |
Sep-06-04 10:09 AM |
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Are You Serious? |
InfoMinister |
Sep-05-04 09:12 PM |
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Very ironic statement given your name. |
ezmojason |
Sep-05-04 09:15 PM |
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Excellent comment. |
AP |
Sep-05-04 10:18 PM |
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I Think Some People Take Films Too Seriously |
InfoMinister |
Sep-06-04 01:21 AM |
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I thought it was a pretty good film... |
ezmojason |
Sep-06-04 01:34 AM |
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and Battleship Potemkin and Alexander Nevsky are also great movies |
AP |
Sep-06-04 10:06 AM |
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Right wing sites aren't going to use cultural criticism to discredit... |
AP |
Sep-06-04 10:08 AM |
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Conspiracies Are What I'm Talking About |
InfoMinister |
Sep-06-04 10:58 AM |
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And I could take quotes from the freepers or Lucianniacs |
meluseth |
Sep-06-04 01:22 PM |
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It's Subjective |
InfoMinister |
Sep-06-04 01:34 PM |
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Some people are trained historians |
meluseth |
Sep-06-04 01:37 PM |
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That Doesn't Make Any Sense |
InfoMinister |
Sep-06-04 01:45 PM |
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A movie is not just entertainment, is the point |
meluseth |
Sep-06-04 01:49 PM |
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I Read The Books |
InfoMinister |
Sep-06-04 01:52 PM |
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I don't know why you are determined to separate movies from other |
meluseth |
Sep-06-04 02:01 PM |
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Why Do You Feel It's So Important To Change My Mind? |
InfoMinister |
Sep-06-04 02:02 PM |
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I'm not trying to change your mind, just pointing out flaws in your logic |
meluseth |
Sep-06-04 02:12 PM |
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I Say It's All Based on Perception |
InfoMinister |
Sep-06-04 02:15 PM |
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Well, that's very postmodernist, isn't it? |
meluseth |
Sep-06-04 02:18 PM |
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Funny, Ive heard it describe as sympathetic with commies. |
cosmicvortex20 |
Sep-05-04 11:01 PM |
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Michael Tapper might say it's sympathetic with some of the fascistic |
AP |
Sep-06-04 12:35 AM |
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I think their is a better term for these type systems... |
cosmicvortex20 |
Sep-06-04 01:20 AM |
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Actually it's (probably) very Chinese... |
amjsjc |
Sep-05-04 11:26 PM |
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See post 44 for Mr Chan's argument about that issue. |
AP |
Sep-06-04 12:32 AM |
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Yes, perfectly plausible |
amjsjc |
Sep-06-04 01:56 AM |
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I saw that stupid movie today too...Totally BULLSHIT! |
Tight_rope |
Sep-06-04 12:02 AM |
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That's a shame |
lazarus |
Sep-06-04 01:45 AM |
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Review from the Asia Times |
meluseth |
Sep-06-04 01:50 AM |
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Exactly spot on. |
ezmojason |
Sep-06-04 01:58 AM |
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From the Salon.com Review that does not share your view |
Susang |
Sep-06-04 01:54 AM |
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That is an incredibly weak argument, and very circumstantial evidence. |
AP |
Sep-06-04 09:17 AM |
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I can play the "support my point of view" game too |
Susang |
Sep-06-04 12:07 PM |
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What's your argument about the film? |
AP |
Sep-06-04 12:10 PM |
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"Simply descriptive"? |
Susang |
Sep-06-04 12:43 PM |
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That isn't really a counterargument. |
AP |
Sep-06-04 01:08 PM |
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Interpret as you will |
Susang |
Sep-06-04 01:30 PM |
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I think what those reviews show... |
AP |
Sep-06-04 01:53 PM |
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Then you and I disagree |
Susang |
Sep-06-04 02:37 PM |
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I just don't think that's much of an argument. |
AP |
Sep-06-04 02:49 PM |
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Thanks Susang...The movie has incredible symbolism. I'm planning on |
KoKo01 |
Sep-06-04 01:22 PM |
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It usually takes me several viewings |
Susang |
Sep-06-04 01:37 PM |
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I Need To See It Again, Because It Read So Damn Fast |
otohara |
Sep-06-04 03:37 PM |
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Chinese culture is a lot different than US culture |
NewJeffCT |
Sep-07-04 12:10 PM |
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For those who care, some biographical info on the director |
Susang |
Sep-06-04 01:58 AM |
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Other biographies note that he eventually gives in to the powers that be |
Democat |
Sep-06-04 05:19 AM |
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You lose! |
mkuhl |
Sep-06-04 10:32 AM |
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The movie makes a hero of another murderous megalomaniac leader |
Democat |
Sep-06-04 03:05 PM |
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Actually, it makes a hero of a murderous assassin. |
DrWeird |
Sep-07-04 11:58 AM |
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Yes, obviously this director is exactly the same as Leni Riefenstahl |
Susang |
Sep-06-04 11:08 AM |
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You have to remember |
sir_captain |
Sep-07-04 12:34 PM |
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Hate the politics, but love the art |
Columbia |
Sep-06-04 02:20 AM |
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"Hero" is not as mainstream as "Crouching Tiger" |
0007 |
Sep-06-04 05:28 AM |
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Usualy I'm at odds with you on other subjects, but |
Capt_Nemo |
Sep-06-04 07:33 AM |
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Does it feel tacked on? Some sort of Beijing influence on the film? |
jpgray |
Sep-06-04 12:50 PM |
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I heard |
RedDragon |
Sep-06-04 03:39 PM |
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How so? I would say it is more anti-Bush, who just happens to be |
Vickers |
Sep-07-04 11:50 AM |
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Assumptions about who the Hero is? |
RichardRay |
Sep-07-04 11:55 AM |
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