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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-04-04 05:28 PM
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Russian Special Forces blew up & then stormed the Caucasus school.
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I don't know who decided to take a school of little kids hostages, but I will point out that you couldn't come up with any plan to make Chechen rebels appear more heinous.

According to some of the survivors, the terrorists kept control of their hostages by saying that for every person who moved, they'd shoot 15 random people. This I buy completely. But the official story of what happened on the last day goes something like this:

http://www.novinite.com/view_news.php?id=38844

Troops surrounding School Number One in the small Caucasus town of Beslan were expecting another long day of waiting and negotiations when suddenly all planning was thrown out of the window shortly after 10:20 BST. Reports suggested the militants had agreed to let Russian authorities retrieve the bodies of 10 to 20 hostages who had been killed. Emergency personnel went to get the bodies, and the gunmen began setting off bombs and opening fire on people around the school.

A group of near naked children and their mothers then began fleeing from the school. Some gunmen - or women - left the school and began chasing the escapees, and Russian special forces began firing back. An explosion - thought to be the gunmen detonating charges - blew the roof off the school gym where hundreds of hostages where being held.

In the mayhem some of the gunmen - and at least two gun women - escaped with the fleeing hostages and were being hunted throughout the North Ossetia town toward the Chechen border.

About 100 bodies laid on the floor of the school gymnasium where the hostages were held for three days - some apparently killed when the roof collapsed.


The Russian Special Forces (RSFs) also reportly blew a hole in school "to help the hostages escape."


Sorry, but this "explanation" makes no sense whatsoever.

1) I suppose it was just a coincidence that the explosions starting going off shortly after the RSFs were allowed to approach the school.

2) 1000 people were being universally controlled by just 30 gunmen because of threats that if anybody even tried to escape, 15 others would be killed. So if the first explosions were "terrorist accidents" that had nothing to do with the special forces storming the building, why would a number of teachers and kids suddenly decide the time was right to make a break for it -- knowing what might happen to the others they left behind? This really doesn't make much sense. However, if the explosions were the initial part of a RSFs' assault on the terrorists, then their flight makes perfect sense.

3) Even if some hostages did decide to attempt escape in the confusion caused by a "terrorist accident", would any of the surviving terrorists really have run out of the building chasing them -- knowing that the whole school was surrounded by thousands of crack-shot RSFs? That would make them sitting ducks. And even if 100 hostages escaped in the confusion, the terrorists would still have 900 more to terrorize. So why let the entire hostage situation dissolve into immediate suicidal chaos just to go after a few escapees unless they were already under assault?

4) Finally, I suppose that it was just a coincidence that bombs that were supposedly located inside the gym later caused the roof to collapse, killing over 100 people and opening up the building so that they would be indistinguishable from bombs that came from above. And I'm sure the RSFs blew that hole in the side of building "to help the hostages escape" only long after the terrorists started chasing after hostages to gun them down for trying to escape -- making themselves sitting ducks for the RSFs in the process. Yes, to think that the RSFs actually blew holes in the building's side and roof as part of an initial assault on the terrorists would be simply ludicrous! Right?

Note that I'm not saying that the RSFs were necessarily wrong to storm the building. But I am saying that they are obviously lying through their teeth about what happened.

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  -Russian Special Forces blew up & then stormed the Caucasus school. stickdog  Sep-04-04 05:28 PM   #0 
  - Blowing entrances in doors, roofs and walls...  Tandalayo_Scheisskopf   Sep-04-04 05:33 PM   #1 
  - Ah, but the real question is: did they have white plastic chairs, too?  Wonk   Sep-04-04 05:35 PM   #2 
  - So I'm a tinfoil hatter because I think that Russian officials lied?  stickdog   Sep-04-04 05:49 PM   #6 
  - Smithsonian magazine on white plastic chairs  Argumentus   Sep-04-04 05:55 PM   #8 
  - Apparently, the Russians apply the rules used in US prisons  The_Casual_Observer   Sep-04-04 05:36 PM   #3 
  - A girl who escaped said the first thing the terrorists did  librechik   Sep-04-04 05:41 PM   #4 
  - I saw an interview with a girl (before the storming, end event)...  TexasSissy   Sep-04-04 10:13 PM   #25 
  - I wouldn't be surprised, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it was really  kayell   Sep-04-04 05:44 PM   #5 
  - I wouldn't be so fast to stick this on the Russkies  mikehiggins   Sep-04-04 05:52 PM   #7 
  - Who is sticking it on the Russians? Whether or not they fired first,  stickdog   Sep-04-04 06:13 PM   #12 
  - although with 340 people killed including alot kids  gasperc   Sep-04-04 06:01 PM   #9 
  - I believe nothing, everything is sacred. I believe everything, nothing is  TrustingDog   Sep-04-04 06:02 PM   #10 
  - Got any proof or military knowledge to go with the tin foil?  Zynx   Sep-04-04 06:13 PM   #11 
  - Is this what it's come to? Suspecting ANY government of lying makes one  stickdog   Sep-04-04 06:32 PM   #13 
  - Read some history - to say the Russians embrace western values...  stavka   Sep-04-04 06:49 PM   #14 
  - NYT eyewitness update  stickdog   Sep-04-04 07:49 PM   #15 
  - All a cover up I tell ya  The Straight Story   Sep-04-04 07:58 PM   #16 
  - Well, either the terrorists did illogical things or the Russians did  stickdog   Sep-04-04 08:16 PM   #17 
  - Far be it from me  The Straight Story   Sep-04-04 08:46 PM   #18 
     - That's cool.  stickdog   Sep-04-04 08:57 PM   #20 
        - Maybe he should have waited  The Straight Story   Sep-04-04 10:49 PM   #27 
           - Not letting anyone drink water  burrowowl   Sep-05-04 12:03 AM   #32 
  - Yes, I see. Glory Halleluyah! I see the light!  TexasSissy   Sep-04-04 10:15 PM   #26 
     - come on down the aisle sister  The Straight Story   Sep-04-04 10:56 PM   #28 
        - I shall never speak the name "La La" again (he carries a purse!).  TexasSissy   Sep-04-04 11:49 PM   #31 
  - stickdog, I think the bigger mystery is "Who did this?". So does Putin...  Junkdrawer   Sep-04-04 08:53 PM   #19 
  - Agreed. That's the $640 billion dollar question. (nt)  stickdog   Sep-04-04 09:06 PM   #21 
  - Putin and Bush are Buds, both dimwits.  kohodog   Sep-04-04 09:19 PM   #22 
  - Word from Moscow  GoldenOldie   Sep-04-04 09:54 PM   #23 
  - Hold your horses, there. I heard on TV BEFORE the "storming" from  TexasSissy   Sep-04-04 10:09 PM   #24 
  - Who is sticking it on the Russians? Whether or not they fired first,  stickdog   Sep-04-04 11:17 PM   #29 
  - It sounds like Waco, only more so.  belle   Sep-04-04 11:17 PM   #30 
 

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