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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-03-04 08:11 AM
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10. Sadly, I agree...
I knew when the Dems rolled over in 2000 and the corporate media blatantly began spewing Bush propaganda that we were in deep trouble.

I remember lots of posts here at DU in 2002 reassuring us that the Dems had a strategy to win back the House and/or the Senate. :evilfrown:

We can win, but it will take an enlivened, informed, and outraged democracy fighting not just Bush (who is but a symptom of the larger problem), but the corporatist/fascist oligarchy solidifying its power behind the scenes. Read this month's issue of Harper's about how neo-cons have been financing publications, think tanks, networks, professorial chairs, etc., since the early to mid-'70s. Read also Thomas Frank's "What's the Matter with Kansas" to see how the Right has used "values" to gain support of the working and middle classes, while the Right dismantles programs and policies designed to protect workers, minorities, the elderly, etc.

I hate to say it, but I don't see much evidence of an effective democratic (small d) counterbalance to what's happening in this country. I'm still pulling for Kerry, but his campaign is not filling me with much hope of victory in November.
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  -Take've been warned... Q  Sep-03-04 07:37 AM   #0 
  - The problem is that this is all talk, with few proposals for action  Shoeempress   Sep-03-04 07:41 AM   #1 
  - Proposals for 'action' have been ignored time and again...  Q   Sep-03-04 07:51 AM   #6 
     - and, so what are we supposed to do NOW, Nostradamus?  belle   Sep-03-04 07:06 PM   #72 
        - Figure out how  BeHereNow   Sep-03-04 07:12 PM   #74 
  - I don't mind gloom and doom if it's based on real facts  truthspeaker   Sep-03-04 07:44 AM   #2 
  - For 'no good reason'?  Q   Sep-03-04 08:03 AM   #9 
  - Again, read the speeches Kerry gave yesterday  truthspeaker   Sep-03-04 08:31 AM   #24 
  - Let me reverse the query...  Q   Sep-03-04 09:37 AM   #43 
     - So, essentially, your message is: it's too, we should, what  belle   Sep-03-04 07:12 PM   #73 
  - Correction, Q  wyldwolf   Sep-03-04 06:05 PM   #57 
  - Time Magazine's latest poll Bush 52% Kerry 41%  Capn Sunshine   Sep-03-04 07:01 PM   #70 
  - Allow me to add...  Q   Sep-03-04 07:44 AM   #3 
  - we're screwed whoever wins  mopaul   Sep-03-04 07:46 AM   #5 
  - SO True-  BeHereNow   Sep-03-04 07:05 PM   #71 
  - I do not believe that Kerry is part of the Shadow Gov't  mongo   Sep-03-04 08:37 PM   #82 
  - There's a difference  DoYouEverWonder   Sep-03-04 07:46 AM   #4 
  - But the reality is...neither Kerry or the Dem party...  Q   Sep-03-04 08:11 AM   #11 
     - I don't mind constructive criticism  louis c   Sep-03-04 09:11 AM   #38 
  - We draw the line here. $hrubco must be stopped.  jdolsen   Sep-03-04 07:53 AM   #7 
  - Need to shine a light on these dens of cockroaches...  BiggJawn   Sep-03-04 08:00 AM   #8 
  - Did you see the faces of the fanatics at the RNC convention?  Q   Sep-03-04 08:16 AM   #13 
     - Interesting note on the DLC:  deutsey   Sep-03-04 08:25 AM   #19 
  - Sadly, I agree...  deutsey   Sep-03-04 08:11 AM   #10 
  - like everyone saying the pro-IWR Dems had a "secret plan" to turn  MisterP   Sep-03-04 06:06 PM   #58 
  - blah blah blah blah blah  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Sep-03-04 08:14 AM   #12 
  - exactly.... it's in our hands... bust your ass to change things  cthrumatrix   Sep-03-04 08:16 AM   #14 
  -'s NOT in our hands...  Q   Sep-03-04 08:24 AM   #18 
     - SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Sep-03-04 08:31 AM   #25 
     - I want an answer too!  democratreformed   Sep-03-04 08:58 AM   #32 
        - I don't think we'll get an answer  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Sep-03-04 09:03 AM   #33 
        - Me neither......  democratreformed   Sep-03-04 09:05 AM   #35 
        - The admins have very thoughtfully provided you with an option  Kanary   Sep-03-04 04:27 PM   #47 
           - Thanks, but I didn't say anyone was killing my spirits.  democratreformed   Sep-03-04 04:42 PM   #49 
           - Paranoia doesn't become you. That little square still works.  Kanary   Sep-03-04 06:23 PM   #59 
              - Paranoia?!?  democratreformed   Sep-03-04 06:41 PM   #63 
                 - Yup, that's right, PARANOID.  Kanary   Sep-03-04 06:48 PM   #64 
                    - You're exactly right. It is.  democratreformed   Sep-03-04 06:55 PM   #67 
           - Ok but I'd rather discuss than ignore people  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Sep-03-04 08:39 PM   #83 
     - "...because the only power we have is our votes."  LibertyorDeath   Sep-03-04 05:14 PM   #52 
     - We have more power than just our votes ... at least SOME of us do...  wyldwolf   Sep-03-04 06:27 PM   #60 
  - I've been out there doing something about it since the 2000 theft  deutsey   Sep-03-04 08:17 AM   #15 
  - It's foolish pointing of fingers  sangh0   Sep-03-04 08:20 AM   #17 
  - exactly  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Sep-03-04 08:30 AM   #23 
  - It's not foolish to point out those who have helped bring us  deutsey   Sep-03-04 08:32 AM   #26 
  - It's foolish to say it's the Democrats who committed a coup  sangh0   Sep-03-04 09:32 AM   #40 
  - poster has a history of this  wyldwolf   Sep-03-04 06:29 PM   #61 
     - Poster has been here longer than you.  Sterling   Sep-03-04 06:56 PM   #68 
        - No. He hasn't. Seriously. And what would that have to do with his..  wyldwolf   Sep-03-04 06:58 PM   #69 
  - We've all been fighting since 2000 and before...  Q   Sep-03-04 08:28 AM   #21 
  - Whining is NOT fighting  sangh0   Sep-03-04 09:33 AM   #41 
  - What he's saying is valid - what is the point though?  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Sep-03-04 08:29 AM   #22 
     - Duetsey's activity does NOT excuse Q's defeatism  sangh0   Sep-03-04 09:35 AM   #42 
  - Don't worry...I'm only part of the 'focus group'...  Q   Sep-03-04 08:19 AM   #16 
     - What the fuck are you talking about?  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Sep-03-04 08:28 AM   #20 
        - I've encountered...  Q   Sep-03-04 08:36 AM   #28 
           - I already know everything you're talking about and have the whole time  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Sep-03-04 08:40 AM   #30 
              - You're not's not up to 'us''s up to our leadership...  Q   Sep-03-04 09:04 AM   #34 
                 - I admit its fucking broken - however you can do something  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Sep-03-04 09:09 AM   #37 
  - You are a degree  johnnie   Sep-03-04 08:34 AM   #27 
  - thanks  Rabelais   Sep-03-04 08:39 AM   #29 
  - It's like the 'crazy aunt in the attic' syndrome...  Q   Sep-03-04 08:52 AM   #31 
  - I agree with you Q - I read Palasts book recently and was reminded...  Selwynn   Sep-03-04 09:05 AM   #36 
  - And the Bushies have heaped insult upon injury since then...  Q   Sep-03-04 09:18 AM   #39 
  - Bringing "freedom" to the world  LunaC   Sep-03-04 09:58 AM   #44 
  - And you can see the manipulation of the polls...  Q   Sep-03-04 04:11 PM   #45 
     - The multitudes took to the NYC streets in peaceful protest  LunaC   Sep-03-04 04:55 PM   #50 
  - Its the readership  sweetheart   Sep-03-04 04:18 PM   #46 
  - Here you go Q: Indymedia article  BeHereNow   Sep-03-04 04:35 PM   #48 
  - Crying "We're Gonna Lose" is counterproductive.  UdoKier   Sep-03-04 05:05 PM   #51 
  - We take back the WH and Congress and don't stop until we wipe  Zorra   Sep-03-04 05:30 PM   #53 
  - In support of Q  DerekG   Sep-03-04 05:43 PM   #54 
  - I agree with this support of Q  donkeyotay   Sep-03-04 06:04 PM   #56 
  - "We are in the fight for our lives."  BeHereNow   Sep-03-04 06:50 PM   #65 
  - Let us not be blinded to our dire straits by mindless activism...  Ron_Green   Sep-03-04 05:55 PM   #55 
  - C'mon. Q ... tell us what YOU do besides this?  wyldwolf   Sep-03-04 06:35 PM   #62 
  - Optimism and Cynicism aren't mutually exclusive  Argumentus   Sep-03-04 06:53 PM   #66 
  - spot on as usual, Q....  mike_c   Sep-03-04 07:17 PM   #75 
  - Exactly. The chase for the "moderates" is 2000 redux.  bandera   Sep-03-04 07:25 PM   #77 
  - When was the last chance for effective action, in your opinion?  0rganism   Sep-03-04 07:25 PM   #76 
  - excellent point....  mike_c   Sep-03-04 07:40 PM   #78 
  - don't give up  dollydew   Sep-03-04 08:08 PM   #79 
  - A lot of people *WON'T* survive  Kanary   Sep-03-04 08:19 PM   #81 
  - Internal Emigration...  Waverley_Hills_Hiker   Sep-03-04 08:18 PM   #80 
  - Point well taken.  TexasSissy   Sep-03-04 08:42 PM   #84 
  - I agree that we've contributed to the monster that has been created.  Tatiana   Sep-03-04 08:54 PM   #85 

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