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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-06-04 01:35 AM
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102. The have relented on the local level
National does not have the resources to enforce their rules. No ne talks about it. Gay sex is not a typical point of discussion for Cub and Scout meetings. For that matter, neither is religion.

By kicking out troops and packs, you don't hurt natinal, you hurt troops and packs, who likely fit the description I mentioned.

The easiest way to win the fight is to simply ignore the policies at the troop level. The real teachings of Boy Scouts are what are taught to the kids.
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  -I am a Cubmaster. The school my Pack draws from has a Gay principal... greblc  Sep-02-04 10:54 PM   #0 
  - What kind of cooperation are you looking for?  proud2Blib   Sep-02-04 10:55 PM   #1 
  - He...  greblc   Sep-02-04 11:09 PM   #6 
     - I'm with the principal. I would not be happy  JerseygirlCT   Sep-03-04 06:24 AM   #57 
        - They will change  Gore1FL   Sep-06-04 01:12 AM   #95 
  - I am a Cubmaster, too!  Finnfan   Sep-02-04 10:59 PM   #2 
  - I voice My opposition to the Atheist and Gay rulings at every oportunity.  greblc   Sep-02-04 11:18 PM   #8 
  - I'm sorry to hear that, Finnfan  Dookus   Sep-03-04 12:08 AM   #18 
     - We've gone around about this before, Dookus.  Finnfan   Sep-03-04 12:17 AM   #22 
     - I know we have  Dookus   Sep-03-04 12:19 AM   #23 
        - How many Bigoted Children do you know?  greblc   Sep-03-04 12:46 AM   #26 
        - I've already expressed my idea -  Dookus   Sep-03-04 01:04 AM   #30 
           - I would protest by bringing my Jewish and/or Black Friend as Guests.  greblc   Sep-03-04 01:29 AM   #34 
              - yes  Dookus   Sep-03-04 01:36 AM   #35 
                 - Your forgetting that my Pack has an openly Gay Principal. I think they  greblc   Sep-03-04 02:15 AM   #41 
                    - the principal, as far as I remember scouting  Dookus   Sep-03-04 02:19 AM   #42 
                       - Try this...  greblc   Sep-03-04 02:53 AM   #47 
                          - You're getting angry and defensive  Dookus   Sep-03-04 03:02 AM   #49 
                             - of course I agree with you on principle.  greblc   Sep-03-04 10:22 PM   #61 
        - Ok, look at it this way  kgfnally   Sep-03-04 03:31 AM   #51 
           - And I simply disagree  Dookus   Sep-03-04 04:15 AM   #55 
           - Your comparison villanizes Scouting.  greblc   Sep-03-04 10:53 PM   #65 
           - I would say it's only ok  kgfnally   Sep-04-04 01:19 AM   #76 
           - the Cubs don't have any issues of the sort. So it's not really.  greblc   Sep-04-04 01:55 AM   #79 
           - I completely agree w/ you  enigmatic   Sep-06-04 01:14 AM   #96 
           - Thank you.  greblc   Sep-03-04 10:45 PM   #63 
              - You're welcome.  kgfnally   Sep-04-04 01:15 AM   #75 
                 - Thanks Again.  greblc   Sep-04-04 02:34 AM   #80 
     - Walking away is easy...  greblc   Sep-03-04 01:02 AM   #29 
     - Why should the BSA change their policy  Dookus   Sep-03-04 01:07 AM   #31 
        - The problem isn't the Scouts it's the Leadership.  greblc   Sep-03-04 01:45 AM   #37 
           - and that proves my point  Dookus   Sep-03-04 01:51 AM   #38 
     - My son wanted to join Cub Scouts,  Oregonian   Sep-03-04 11:45 PM   #69 
        - I'd like to hear more.  greblc   Sep-04-04 12:16 AM   #74 
           - Here's what we did:  Oregonian   Sep-04-04 12:11 PM   #81 
  - Maybe the 'National Council' should stop using kids as pawns  CarolynEC   Sep-02-04 10:59 PM   #3 
  - Agreed...  greblc   Sep-03-04 12:02 AM   #16 
  - get some feedback from the BSA in Petaluma  mitchtv   Sep-02-04 11:00 PM   #4 
  - My son is an Eagle Scout, but we both think that the Scouts  murielm99   Sep-02-04 11:01 PM   #5 
  - We'll Not much about being a Cubmaster is easy.  greblc   Sep-02-04 11:27 PM   #9 
  - I'm a girlscout leader and we dont refuse anybody  chimpsrsmarter   Sep-02-04 11:17 PM   #7 
  - I know, the girls have got it right.  greblc   Sep-02-04 11:31 PM   #11 
     - They can if they want, it's in our charter that we cant refuse any child,  chimpsrsmarter   Sep-03-04 12:09 AM   #20 
  - Scouting for All  Luminous Animal   Sep-02-04 11:28 PM   #10 
  - Thanks  greblc   Sep-02-04 11:33 PM   #12 
     - RE: Thanks  Luminous Animal   Sep-02-04 11:49 PM   #13 
        - I hope not  mitchtv   Sep-03-04 03:35 AM   #52 
           - The have relented on the local level  Gore1FL   Sep-06-04 01:35 AM   #102 
           - Grade Schoolers relent?  greblc   Sep-06-04 02:08 AM   #103 
  - Other organizations?  lpricanprynces   Sep-02-04 11:51 PM   #14 
  - Most similar groups involve some Religious Ideolgy.  greblc   Sep-03-04 12:10 AM   #21 
     - but not all of them do  Dookus   Sep-03-04 02:53 AM   #46 
        - Good night Dookus  greblc   Sep-03-04 02:54 AM   #48 
           - Giving up?  Dookus   Sep-03-04 03:06 AM   #50 
              - I didn't give up It was 3 am.  greblc   Sep-03-04 10:41 PM   #62 
  - the scouts is a quasi-military organization that rejects gay people...  JSJ   Sep-03-04 12:02 AM   #15 
  - Nice....  greblc   Sep-03-04 12:08 AM   #19 
  - hey word-twister, i said fuck 'em, not 'fuck the children'  JSJ   Sep-03-04 12:47 AM   #27 
     - No a scout can be "Reverant "in any religion  greblc   Sep-03-04 01:18 AM   #32 
        - he did not say fuck the children.  Dookus   Sep-03-04 01:20 AM   #33 
           - He said "fuck em" referring to "the scouts"  greblc   Sep-03-04 01:53 AM   #39 
              - sorry, that's a stretch  Dookus   Sep-03-04 02:11 AM   #40 
                 - The Kids are part of the organization!!!! so fuck Em'  greblc   Sep-03-04 02:32 AM   #43 
                    - using the kids for cover- for shame n/t  JSJ   Sep-03-04 02:34 AM   #44 
                    - because the policy  Dookus   Sep-03-04 02:35 AM   #45 
  - How succinct ;a little more blunt than I  mitchtv   Sep-03-04 03:42 AM   #53 
  - Well not quite  Gore1FL   Sep-06-04 01:09 AM   #94 
  - I'm sorry  Dookus   Sep-03-04 12:05 AM   #17 
  - I have thought about bailing...  greblc   Sep-03-04 12:34 AM   #24 
     - I know  Dookus   Sep-03-04 12:43 AM   #25 
  - Try communication one on one with the Principal  The_Casual_Observer   Sep-03-04 01:01 AM   #28 
  - Sorry...  God_bush_n_cheney   Sep-03-04 01:44 AM   #36 
  - Beat me to it  eridani   Sep-03-04 03:59 AM   #54 
  - Sorry, but until BSA changes it's horrid policy on gays, then -m  JerseygirlCT   Sep-03-04 06:21 AM   #56 
  - Maybe so but I think I will have more success...  greblc   Sep-03-04 11:15 PM   #66 
  - HomoPhobes in Scouting.  Bob Hannah   Sep-06-04 08:32 PM   #110 
  - There are a couple of ways:  LWolf   Sep-03-04 07:14 AM   #58 
  - Thanks,  greblc   Sep-03-04 11:17 PM   #67 
  - Quit BSA and move the whole pack over to Campfire Boys & Girls  truthspeaker   Sep-03-04 07:36 AM   #59 
  - I'll honestly look into it.  greblc   Sep-03-04 11:22 PM   #68 
  - I was a Cub Scout den leader  Quahog   Sep-03-04 07:43 AM   #60 
  - Wow!  greblc   Sep-03-04 11:51 PM   #71 
  - I Have Spoken To City Councils To Divert Funding Away From Scouts  David Zephyr   Sep-03-04 10:53 PM   #64 
  - I see your point. It's too bad it has come to this.  greblc   Sep-04-04 12:01 AM   #72 
  - the grocery store thing  lwfern   Sep-03-04 11:49 PM   #70 
  - Be warned, I think it's put a stop to all store front solicitations...  greblc   Sep-04-04 12:06 AM   #73 
  - about the sidewalk  kgfnally   Sep-04-04 01:20 AM   #77 
  - I think you could legaly set up on the sidewalk but...  greblc   Sep-04-04 01:51 AM   #78 
  - As a bi den leader and (possible) soon to be Cubmaster  Xithras   Sep-04-04 01:17 PM   #82 
  - Thanks!  greblc   Sep-06-04 12:03 AM   #86 
  - Increase positive visibility through good acts?  Truth is True   Sep-04-04 02:29 PM   #83 
  - Thanks!  greblc   Sep-06-04 12:05 AM   #87 
  - Until the national group changes their ways  missb   Sep-04-04 02:37 PM   #84 
  - Thanks!  greblc   Sep-06-04 12:08 AM   #88 
  - I'm sorry, It is a hate group.  markus   Sep-04-04 02:47 PM   #85 
  - I disagree.  greblc   Sep-06-04 12:14 AM   #90 
  - It is more of a group headed by haters  Gore1FL   Sep-06-04 01:20 AM   #98 
  - Stay out of the schools!!!!!  K-W   Sep-06-04 12:13 AM   #89 
  - A Scout is Reverant....  greblc   Sep-06-04 12:38 AM   #91 
     - Interestnigly  Gore1FL   Sep-06-04 01:18 AM   #97 
     - Yah, im sure by the word God they clearly mean any higher power.  K-W   Sep-06-04 08:23 PM   #108 
        - Sorry but...  greblc   Sep-06-04 09:16 PM   #112 
  - Affiliate with Scouts Canada instead...  SidDithers   Sep-06-04 12:44 AM   #92 
  - Can American Scouts Join Boy Scouts of Canada?  greblc   Sep-06-04 01:31 AM   #100 
  - I am an Asst Scoutmaster  Gore1FL   Sep-06-04 01:05 AM   #93 
  - Thanks...  greblc   Sep-06-04 01:32 AM   #101 
  - Start a Gay Cub Scout Pack - that will get his attention  Cronus   Sep-06-04 01:25 AM   #99 
  - There is no reason why scouts can't be gay  I_Hug_Trees   Sep-06-04 03:14 PM   #104 
  - True  greblc   Sep-06-04 07:42 PM   #105 
  - You need to kick ass within the Boy Scout leadership  leesa   Sep-06-04 07:57 PM   #106 
  - I'm trying.  greblc   Sep-06-04 09:14 PM   #111 
  - Get your kids involved in another organization  kayell   Sep-06-04 08:07 PM   #107 
  - Thanks  greblc   Sep-06-04 09:18 PM   #113 
  - even if your local group doesn't discriminate  lwfern   Sep-06-04 08:27 PM   #109 
     - Your right.  greblc   Sep-06-04 09:22 PM   #114 
 

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