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Sat Aug-07-04 10:55 AM
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| 25. "The first plane [...] could have been [...] anything" |
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No, it could not. The FAA already knew there were 3 other hijacked planes in the air. NORAD knew or should have known. Our military chain of command knew or should have known.
Rumsfeld had ordered in June that he (the Secretary of Defense) be the only person who could order jets scrambled to intercept hijacked airplanes. Then lo and behold, in the event, he is "unavailable". Mysteriously, he can't be reached by cell phone, even though he's just going through a normal morning in his usual place of work -- but no sirree, the Secretary of Defense just can't be reached when a national emergency is underway. Neither can Myers (head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) be reached. And gosh, no one can figure out how to contact the President, who is also the military Commander in Chief and the only person who can order shootdowns.
How hard is it to grasp: *you* or *I* might have assumed that the first plane was some random act, because *you* or *I* could not have known of the other hijackings. But we pay billions of dollars a year to maintain the world's largest most sophisticated military machine which is supposed to be able to defend us -- and what we got that morning was bureaucratic bungling to a degree that, if one were to put it in a novel, it would be rejected as implausible. And that's the *best* spin you can put on it... Some of us believe it goes deeper than that. But I'll be the first to acknowledge I have no way to prove my darker suspicions. Therefore I have to be content to point out mere criminal dereliction of duty -- which I think is already proven, in spades.
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| -the "7 minutes" are NOT important! |
nostamj |
Aug-07-04 09:49 AM |
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from Paul Thompson |
seemslikeadream |
Aug-07-04 09:53 AM |
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You are SOOOOOO right! |
Dems Will Win |
Aug-07-04 09:58 AM |
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i disagree |
IronLionZion2004 |
Aug-08-04 05:39 PM |
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It's not just 7 minutes |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-07-04 10:00 AM |
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Gail Sheehy on Rumsfeld: |
Stephanie |
Aug-07-04 10:15 AM |
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That is bullshit |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-07-04 10:36 AM |
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Yes, but I do think the time AFTER the 2nd plane IS more relevant. |
UdoKier |
Aug-07-04 05:05 PM |
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sorry but you're just wrong... |
nostamj |
Aug-07-04 05:08 PM |
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According to whom? |
UdoKier |
Aug-07-04 05:34 PM |
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when I say "BushCo" I mean the administration as a whole |
nostamj |
Aug-07-04 06:27 PM |
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There are many published accounts |
mountainvue |
Aug-07-04 08:18 PM |
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He admitted it - Remember 'One lousy pilot'? Said he saw it on tv |
vidali |
Aug-07-04 08:30 PM |
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Yes, he knew of the first crash before he went into the school. |
UdoKier |
Aug-08-04 04:25 PM |
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they knew about the hijackings *before* the first HIT |
nostamj |
Aug-08-04 04:42 PM |
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Where do you get this? |
UdoKier |
Aug-08-04 04:59 PM |
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http://www.cooperativeresearch.net/wot/sept11/whatwasthegovernmentdoingon9 |
nostamj |
Aug-08-04 05:11 PM |
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Who has time to wade through all of that? |
UdoKier |
Aug-08-04 05:30 PM |
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They HAD to have known it was a criminal act! |
jmowreader |
Aug-08-04 04:57 PM |
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During the time between the first plane |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-07-04 05:13 PM |
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Which is more easily explained...... |
deseo |
Aug-07-04 05:22 PM |
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which is why L/MIHOP satisfies Occam's Razor better than the incompetence |
vidali |
Aug-07-04 08:18 PM |
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Not only does it satisfy Occam's Razor.. |
deseo |
Aug-08-04 08:36 AM |
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Has anyone explained this? |
indepat |
Aug-07-04 08:10 PM |
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My theory about what happened |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-07-04 08:55 PM |
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yes yes yes |
seabeyond |
Aug-07-04 10:00 AM |
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To test if it is important, ask yourself if it had been Clinton sitting in |
lottie244 |
Aug-07-04 10:02 AM |
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It's too late, |
sandnsea |
Aug-07-04 10:04 AM |
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weak |
nostamj |
Aug-07-04 10:10 AM |
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it is exactly the time, as reporters diss kerry for speaking about it |
seabeyond |
Aug-07-04 10:11 AM |
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"true suicide, an angry American, anything" |
Geo55 |
Aug-07-04 10:13 AM |
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"The first plane [...] could have been [...] anything" |
ljm2002 |
Aug-07-04 10:55 AM |
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I have proof |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-07-04 04:45 PM |
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And if there had not been the delays and if plane #4 had found its |
merh |
Aug-07-04 05:08 PM |
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oooosh wouldnt that be interesting |
seabeyond |
Aug-07-04 05:14 PM |
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Most of what I have read on the events of that day and the |
merh |
Aug-07-04 05:21 PM |
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That was actually a woman. |
mountainvue |
Aug-07-04 08:26 PM |
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Thank you. This is what I thought, too. |
Gregorian |
Aug-07-04 10:07 AM |
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bush didnt read |
seabeyond |
Aug-07-04 10:12 AM |
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Another outrage...... |
serryjw |
Aug-07-04 10:08 AM |
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one fbi dude immediately said get him out |
seabeyond |
Aug-07-04 10:13 AM |
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THere's the fucking PROOF of LIHOP |
Dems Will Win |
Aug-07-04 10:15 AM |
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i really want to know about ground to air missille launchers |
seabeyond |
Aug-07-04 10:19 AM |
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And why did Bu$h sleep over in Florida on the 10th |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-07-04 04:50 PM |
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Reminds me of the crap David Dreier tried to get away with, |
calimary |
Aug-07-04 05:20 PM |
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Giuliani was the mayor of NY on 9/11. n/t |
mountainvue |
Aug-07-04 08:29 PM |
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ya i knew it was giuliani |
seabeyond |
Aug-07-04 08:38 PM |
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You're right...but the 7 minutes are STILL very important! |
Demoiselle |
Aug-07-04 10:13 AM |
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Exactly |
Geo55 |
Aug-07-04 10:17 AM |
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and this is what got people attention and has media talking |
seabeyond |
Aug-07-04 10:17 AM |
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At the least, I've seen the "LOOK" on TV twice !! |
Dems Will Win |
Aug-07-04 10:20 AM |
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I agree with this - similar to the 16 Words |
Stephanie |
Aug-07-04 10:21 AM |
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Totally agree... |
CarolynEC |
Aug-07-04 04:34 PM |
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One Asshole Claims Moore SLOWED the footage down... |
IMRadioactive |
Aug-07-04 10:19 AM |
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Well-Stated. Nicely-Worded. |
arwalden |
Aug-07-04 10:32 AM |
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Sorry, the picture is everything. The picture is all. |
kaitykaity |
Aug-07-04 04:42 PM |
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i don't disagree |
nostamj |
Aug-07-04 04:47 PM |
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That would have been a Good point to say to this repuke |
zidzi |
Aug-07-04 05:02 PM |
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i know |
nostamj |
Aug-07-04 05:05 PM |
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Oh yes, and I'm CERTAIN they would be willing to cut Clinton equal slack |
calimary |
Aug-07-04 10:10 PM |
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I agree with a broader indictment. |
kaitykaity |
Aug-07-04 11:24 PM |
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Nero fiddled while Rome burned! (eom) |
merh |
Aug-07-04 04:48 PM |
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please explain Rep. Cox' remark |
Keirsey |
Aug-07-04 04:52 PM |
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Maybe he's clairvoyant |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-07-04 04:59 PM |
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The $ million question this evening....... |
serryjw |
Aug-07-04 11:07 PM |
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"but the real OUTRAGE should be over his going into the classroom at all." |
zidzi |
Aug-07-04 04:53 PM |
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That is a great post and thank you |
joanne |
Aug-07-04 05:12 PM |
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Moore DOES mention it |
nostamj |
Aug-07-04 05:15 PM |
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Guess I did miss it! |
joanne |
Aug-07-04 05:19 PM |
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I'll be doing the same.. for just these reasons of |
zidzi |
Aug-07-04 07:45 PM |
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And he also mentioned the fact that it wasn't JUST the seven minutes. |
calimary |
Aug-07-04 10:16 PM |
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I absolutely whole heartedlly agree - that IS the real outrage! |
Selwynn |
Aug-07-04 07:01 PM |
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Excellent point. |
mountainvue |
Aug-07-04 08:12 PM |
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I disagree that the 7 minutes is not important. |
LSU_Subversive |
Aug-07-04 10:27 PM |
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my subject line was NOT the best |
nostamj |
Aug-07-04 10:51 PM |
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amen brother/sister. n/t |
LSU_Subversive |
Aug-07-04 10:53 PM |
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uh, brother.... |
nostamj |
Aug-07-04 10:56 PM |
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The fact that ANY plane flew into the Tower should have caused concern |
Clyde39 |
Aug-07-04 11:37 PM |
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I feel so sorry for the loved ones of the people who died |
Iris |
Aug-08-04 09:19 AM |
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You are correct sir. To limit Bush's inaction to 7 minutes is to let him |
linazelle |
Aug-08-04 04:46 PM |
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Hasn't he ALWAYS been "inert" (except for pouncing on Iraq)? |
young_at_heart |
Aug-08-04 05:22 PM |
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"I an very aware of the cameras." |
plastic_turkeys |
Aug-08-04 05:25 PM |
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KEEP IN MIND.... |
dennis4868 |
Aug-09-04 10:29 AM |
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