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38. That reminds me of a quote from Andreas von Bülow,
Edited on Thu Aug-05-04 11:52 PM by Minstrel Boy
former German cabinet minister under Helmut Schmidt and 25-year parliamentarian, back in 2002. Von Bülow told the paper Der Tagesspiegel that the attacks were "unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry."

What he goes on to say about Intelligence links to drug trade and moneylaundering might have more resonance now after, for instance, Sibel Edmonds, Daniel Hopsicker's research of the Florida connection and the exposure of Riggs Bank.

Q: You wrote a book on the dealings of the CIA and Co. In the meantime, you have become an expert regarding the strange things related to intelligence services' work.

Von Bülow: "Strange things" is the wrong term. What has gone on, and goes on, in the name of intelligence services, are true crimes.

...

Whoever wants to understand the CIA's methods, has to deal with its main tasks {covert operations}: below the level of war, and outside international law, foreign states are to be influenced, by organizing insurrections, terrorist attacks, usually combined with drugs and weapons trade, and money laundering. This is essentially very simple: One arms violent people with weapons. Since, however, it must not under any circumstances come out that there is an intelligence agency behind it, all traces are erased, with tremendous deployment of resources. I have the impression that this kind of intelligence agency spends 90% of its time this way: creating false leads. So that if anyone suspects the collaboration of the agencies, he is accused of the sickness of conspiracy madness.

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When in doubt, it is always worthwhile to take a look at a map, where are raw materials resources, and the routes to them? Then lay a map of civil wars and conflicts on top of that — they coincide. The same is the case with the third map: nodal points of the drug trade. Where this all comes together, the American intelligence services are not far away.

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/vonbuelow.htm
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