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Okay, folks, This is REAL Important, and I am FREAKING OUT!! [View All]

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Okay, folks, This is REAL Important, and I am FREAKING OUT!!
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Edited on Sat Jul-31-04 10:19 PM by Eloriel
Edited to add: Truly pathetic that people can't bother to read the material specified before commenting. This is NOT about the fear factor or crying wolf or anything else. This is WAY bigger than that. Since so few DUers could bother reading the 2nd thread's OP, I'm editing to add it to, and do your work for you. The rest of you are looking pretty damned silly in the meantime.

First, post #11 from this thread:

ABC News: Attacks from Al Quaeda imminent in NYC
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Sat Jul-31-04 06:48 PM
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11. ABC News: Big Apple Terror?


Big Apple Terror?
Sources: Al Qaeda Plotting to Attack New York City Corporations

N E W Y O R K, July 31, 2004 — ABC News has learned that federal and New York City officials have received credible intelligence that al Qaeda has been plotting to carry out suicide attacks on corporations based in the city.

Sources at several law enforcement agencies tell ABC News that an "overseas source" has provided the information about the threat to New York and that it is more significant than the usual "chatter" intercepted from likely terrorists that has prompted warnings in the past.

Officials from dozens of local and federal agencies met into the night Friday and again this morning.

Intelligence sources say al Qaeda plans to move non-Arab terrorists across the border with Mexico. Authorities already have in custody a woman of Pakistani-origin arrested after crossing into Texas. She carried a South African passport with several of the pages torn out, $7,000 in cash and an airplane ticket to New York.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/new_york_city_ter...
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Now read the OP in this thread:

What In The World Is Going On Along The Mexican Border
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

ADDED ON EDIT, the subject post from the above thread, so maybe people will read it before shooting off their mouths AS IF they know what they're talking about:

loindelrio (95 posts) Sat Jul-31-04 04:31 PM
Original message
What In The World Is Going On Along The Mexican Border


LIHOP/MIHOP theories regarding 9/11 have never gained much credibility with me. My view has been that the administration placed too little emphasis on counterterrorism since it was one of the major concerns of the Clinton administration, thus facilitating the 9/11 attackers through bureaucratic incompetence.

However, when I hear the following during an interview on "Lou Dobbs Tonight" 1-1/2 months ago:

" . . agents are forced to sit eight to 10 hours a day in one spot in order not to move from that spot, even if aliens are crossing within yards of them . . . This comes straight from the top and nobody has signed an order to that effect, but those are the standing orders out there in the field, and if agents violate them, they are subject to discipline."

Then an article in a Tombstone, AZ paper that states:

". . . at least two documented accounts of Border Patrol agents encountering large groups of non-Spanish speaking males in the Chiricahua foothills and on trails along the high mountain areas . . . 71 suspected illegal aliens were apprehended; among them were 53 males of middle-eastern descent"

Then our 'terra' warning of this week for CA and NM.

Kinda gets you thinkin' about a LIHOP around the time of the election.

+++++
FBI Issues Terror Warning for Calif., N.M.
July 30, 2004

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-436683 ...
. . .

The FBI warned police in California and New Mexico that it received information about possible terrorist activity in their states. However, the warning wasn't specific about particular targets or a method of attack, a federal law enforcement official said Thursday.

. . .

+++++
Breaking Silence over a Possible Terror Threat
July 23, 2004

http://www.sftt.org/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database= ...

. . .

According to the Tombstone editor’s sources, on June 13, 2004, Border Patrol agents from the Wilcox, Ariz., patrol station encountered a large group of illegal border crossers in the Chiricaucha Mountain foothills, just east of what is known as The Sanders Ranch. Agents estimated that the group comprised about 100 people.

Border Patrol sources who were present at this mass apprehension state that they seized 71 illegal aliens, of whom 53 were males of Middle Eastern decent. The suspects did not speak Spanish and spoke only poor English, sources told the newspaper.

In fact, after a group of the detainees had been placed in a transport van, one Border Patrol agents on the scene who speaks Arabic and Farsi, the native language of Iran, clearly overheard the detainees speaking Arabic through an air vent in the transport vehicle.

Higher-ups in the Border Patrol allegedly ordered these agents involved not to say a thing to the news media.

. . .

-- more --

Edited again, to bold MORE so MAYBE some smart cookie (the kind DU used to have plenty of) will actually read the pertinent parts. Sheesh. Guess I should chalk it up to the Saturday night crowd.
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  Okay, folks, This is REAL Important, and I am FREAKING OUT!! Eloriel  Jul-31-04 09:40 PM   #0 
   Oh dear God...  Walt Whitman   Jul-31-04 09:42 PM   #1 
   At this point....  charlyvi   Jul-31-04 09:43 PM   # 
   You didn't read the 2nd thread, did you?  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 09:47 PM   # 
      Read it  charlyvi   Jul-31-04 09:51 PM   #17 
         Then you're missing the point.  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 10:01 PM   #26 
            I'm not missing the point  charlyvi   Jul-31-04 10:07 PM   #30 
               Yeah, you are. Go read my post #33 where I spell it the hell out. n/t  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 10:13 PM   #35 
   On otherwords..  fishface   Jul-31-04 09:43 PM   #2 
   thanks for gathering this all together - veryveryvery bad  jean   Jul-31-04 09:44 PM   #3 
   i'm glad i live in Brooklyn....  nostamj   Jul-31-04 09:45 PM   #4 
   I live in AZ and I agree with Nostamj  Tansy_Gold   Jul-31-04 10:34 PM   #46 
   Okay, so don't be afraid.  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 11:49 PM   #74 
   I disagree on one point  Kipepeo   Aug-01-04 01:09 AM   #97 
      The only way they could stay in illegitimate power  Tansy_Gold   Aug-01-04 11:26 AM   #131 
   Don't be so sure.  spotbird   Aug-01-04 02:36 PM   #149 
   The 'terror attack'...  Davis_X_Machina   Jul-31-04 09:45 PM   #5 
   Exactly what I say.....  physioex   Jul-31-04 09:46 PM   #9 
   I second it...  walldude   Jul-31-04 10:25 PM   #40 
   the most likely explanation I can think of  G_j   Jul-31-04 09:52 PM   #18 
   unnamed sources again?  bullimiami   Jul-31-04 09:46 PM   #6 
   Your link doesn't work...I have the new one..  physioex   Jul-31-04 09:46 PM   #7 
   This is the whole fear thing  DaveSZ   Jul-31-04 09:47 PM   #10 
      Right, I agree...EOM  physioex   Jul-31-04 09:49 PM   #16 
   A transparent attempt  Mojambo   Jul-31-04 09:46 PM   #8 
   The most frightening thing for me is the way they keep...  Junkdrawer   Jul-31-04 09:47 PM   #11 
   well, i work in midtown, and monday, i will be reporting for duty!  unblock   Jul-31-04 09:47 PM   #12 
   Could be the old Reagan/Bush ploy revisited...  Mikimouse   Jul-31-04 09:48 PM   #13 
   People, if you haven't read the 2nd thread -- do THAT and then  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 09:49 PM   #14 
   I keep trying to read the second link  Samantha   Jul-31-04 10:00 PM   #22 
   Comes up for me just fine. Try again. OR I added it to my OP  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 10:03 PM   #28 
   I read both threads & have no idea what this all means.  Jackpine Radical   Jul-31-04 10:02 PM   #27 
      Go read the bolded parts of my OP -- maybe that will help you  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 10:12 PM   #33 
         But who MADE the claim that border agents  Dookus   Jul-31-04 10:21 PM   #37 
         You're talking another stand down order  steviet_2003   Jul-31-04 10:42 PM   #49 
         I Might Be Able To Confirm The Allegations About The Border Agents  Beetwasher   Jul-31-04 11:01 PM   #61 
         Fabulous. Thank you so much!!! n/t  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 11:53 PM   #76 
         Confirm it loudly if you can.  kgfnally   Aug-01-04 01:58 AM   #112 
         It makes sense, but I would not freak out. This is wht we (and you) have  homelandpunk   Aug-01-04 12:36 AM   #87 
         Oy, oy, oy. That bunker.  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 12:41 AM   #90 
         why couldn't you just write:  malatesta1137   Aug-01-04 02:25 AM   #116 
         Hello, Eloriel.....  FormerOstrich   Aug-01-04 10:54 AM   #130 
            Thanks very much  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 12:11 PM   #138 
   I think we should go along with them and promote their fear agenda...  kentuck   Jul-31-04 09:49 PM   #15 
   Won't happen this is a set up  Nashyra   Jul-31-04 09:55 PM   #19 
   Are you kidding?  charlyvi   Jul-31-04 10:01 PM   #23 
   I'm With You  Crisco   Aug-01-04 12:57 PM   #144 
   Good answer!  ClassWarrior   Jul-31-04 10:01 PM   #24 
   What a great idea of counter-tactics, reverse-psychology...very good!  Pachamama   Jul-31-04 10:01 PM   #25 
   The problem is that can easily lead to "Bin Laden wants Kerry to win"  Sparkly   Jul-31-04 10:13 PM   #34 
   If they knew about it Friday, Why didn't shrub fly in from the trail?  myday38   Jul-31-04 09:56 PM   #20 
   Good point  Sparkly   Jul-31-04 10:11 PM   #32 
      I used to live in Washington when I was a kid...  myday38   Jul-31-04 10:32 PM   #45 
         I moved to DC from NYC!  Sparkly   Jul-31-04 10:48 PM   #53 
   Here is some advice about freaking out, in general:  mellowinman   Jul-31-04 09:57 PM   #21 
   there is nothing you can do until something happens  seabeyond   Jul-31-04 10:05 PM   #29 
   Oh, please. This isn't about fear of another (yawn) terror alert  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 10:16 PM   #36 
   So, will they take NYC to Code Red...  Junkdrawer   Jul-31-04 10:09 PM   #31 
   Remember what Bill Clinton said:  NightOwwl   Jul-31-04 10:21 PM   #38 
   Y'all are missing Eloriel's point  LunaC   Jul-31-04 10:22 PM   #39 
   But who MADE the claim  Dookus   Jul-31-04 10:30 PM   #42 
   They are the union for the border patrol guards  steviet_2003   Jul-31-04 10:54 PM   #57 
   Thank you. They've also got a link to "Bushwatch" of the AFLCIO  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 11:12 PM   #67 
   Hang on a second. Wouldn't our border patrol be part of  janx   Aug-01-04 12:15 AM   #81 
   Silly me!  LunaC   Jul-31-04 11:07 PM   #64 
   The Current Administration Seems To Be More Interested In . .  loindelrio   Jul-31-04 10:37 PM   #47 
   Now we're talking -- I don't know anything about this project  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 10:48 PM   #54 
   there can be NO  Dookus   Jul-31-04 10:50 PM   #55 
   Read my post #57 above  steviet_2003   Jul-31-04 10:57 PM   #59 
   Accenture Wins Huge Homeland Security Deal  loindelrio   Jul-31-04 11:00 PM   #60 
      Uh oh. Accenture = the former Arthur Andersen Accounting firm  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 11:35 PM   #72 
   del rio tx?  dumpster_baby   Jul-31-04 11:13 PM   #68 
   Perhaps, but that "point"...  T Town Jake   Jul-31-04 11:06 PM   #63 
   You bet I'm feeling snarky about all the OFF TOPIC POSTS  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 11:19 PM   #69 
   Thank you, LunaC  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 11:54 PM   #77 
   Take a deep breath and relax (inside information)  IrateCitizen   Jul-31-04 10:27 PM   #41 
   Thanks for this inside info!!  tlcandie   Jul-31-04 10:45 PM   #51 
   Okay, let me ask you this  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 10:55 PM   #58 
   Another concern to consider  LunaC   Jul-31-04 11:09 PM   #65 
   Ugh. that's disturbing, isn't it?  Eloriel   Jul-31-04 11:52 PM   #75 
   Apparently his agenda is as a labor union chief  steviet_2003   Jul-31-04 11:09 PM   #66 
      There also seems to be some disagreement WITHIN  Tansy_Gold   Aug-01-04 12:09 PM   #137 
   It is also a might long border. Perhaps there are only certain times  liberalnproud   Aug-01-04 04:22 PM   #152 
   My first reaction would be what, if anything are they doing at the  tlcandie   Jul-31-04 10:30 PM   #43 
   Eloriel, I think you're right to be concerned  harper   Jul-31-04 10:31 PM   #44 
   Yes, I know as well all those barren wastelands of borderland  tlcandie   Jul-31-04 10:41 PM   #48 
   exactly...eom  harper   Jul-31-04 10:42 PM   #50 
   But that knowledge won't stop some big company from trying to seal the  Dover   Aug-01-04 02:04 AM   #114 
   Do the Canadian border agents have the same instructions?  Sabriel   Jul-31-04 10:46 PM   #52 
   My gut sez  nu_duer   Jul-31-04 10:52 PM   #56 
   Nah, they'll go through with the convention  Stephanie   Jul-31-04 11:32 PM   #70 
   Sounds like a legit source on Lou Dobbs.  madfloridian   Jul-31-04 11:04 PM   #62 
   repugs  undergroundpanther   Jul-31-04 11:48 PM   #73 
      Oh, and don't forget, folks  Tansy_Gold   Aug-01-04 11:42 AM   #134 
   well..maybe John Kerry's group had better start  midwayer   Jul-31-04 11:32 PM   #71 
   Get a grip  Boomer   Aug-01-04 12:03 AM   #78 
   Get ag rip yourself  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 12:14 AM   #80 
      I can't figure out what your concerns are...  Boomer   Aug-01-04 12:36 AM   #88 
         I'll tell you what my concerns are  midwayer   Aug-01-04 12:57 AM   #93 
   UTUSN has a thread that I imagine is aimed partially at this one  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 12:10 AM   #79 
   And you really believe these are arabs and muslims? This is what we  homelandpunk   Aug-01-04 12:20 AM   #82 
   "Freaking out" is not FEAR to me. I guess that's what has everyone  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 12:38 AM   #89 
      Your interpretation is far from obvious  Boomer   Aug-01-04 12:59 AM   #94 
      Huh. Is that the dictionary definition?  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 01:10 AM   #98 
         Interested, yes. Freaked out, no.  Boomer   Aug-01-04 01:21 AM   #102 
            I've seen many, many uses of the term "freaking out" that are  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 01:47 AM   #110 
               "freaking out" is one thing  Tansy_Gold   Aug-01-04 01:51 PM   #145 
      Actually, Eloriel, at least there's some progress in that  janx   Aug-01-04 01:05 AM   #96 
      'Terrorist attack to trigger coup d'etat'  beam_me_up   Aug-01-04 01:39 AM   #107 
         Excellent post and thanks for the link to your thread  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 01:50 AM   #111 
            Yes, "backstory", I'd forgotten that.  beam_me_up   Aug-01-04 02:33 AM   #117 
   Is it possible that they are trying NOT to apprehend every illegal  Generic Other   Aug-01-04 12:20 AM   #83 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-01-04 12:21 AM   #84 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-01-04 12:45 AM   #91 
   Which part freaks you out the most, Eloriel ?  kentuck   Aug-01-04 12:26 AM   #85 
   I'm not really concerned about illegal aliens.  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 12:52 AM   #92 
      The border patrol union guy's appearance and assertions  janx   Aug-01-04 01:19 AM   #101 
      I think the original post said it was from some months ago -- BUT  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 01:34 AM   #105 
      I Agree With John Sayles Feelings Regarding Immigration Policy  loindelrio   Aug-01-04 01:34 AM   #104 
   The Mexican Border is a Joke  Rictexas   Aug-01-04 12:32 AM   #86 
   Plus, y'all have all those poisonous snakes, too  Boomer   Aug-01-04 01:12 AM   #99 
   Well, there ya go  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 02:03 AM   #113 
      The pesonal is political  Boomer   Aug-01-04 07:04 AM   #123 
         Then I'd suggest your advice -- or concern --  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 11:44 AM   #135 
   "The indigenous Aztecs?"  meluseth   Aug-01-04 02:56 AM   #118 
   Ok...We have a "NEW AND IMPROVED THREAT"  Tight_rope   Aug-01-04 01:02 AM   #95 
   This Thread Underscores Another Of The Failings Of The Administration  loindelrio   Aug-01-04 01:14 AM   #100 
   Bingo!  Boomer   Aug-01-04 01:33 AM   #103 
   So well put.  plastic_turkeys   Aug-01-04 01:35 AM   #106 
   So, where the Hell is Tom Ridge, the terror expert who gonna  opihimoimoi   Aug-01-04 01:42 AM   #108 
      Ridge is quitting because he doesn't make enough money  janx   Aug-01-04 01:45 AM   #109 
         Ridge is quitting because the NeoCons may be planning a surprise...  Media_Lies_Daily   Aug-01-04 11:29 AM   #133 
   Heads up San Francisco  camero   Aug-01-04 02:10 AM   #115 
   Rumsfeld PSYOPS - but Ridge  Pallas180   Aug-01-04 03:31 AM   #119 
      Use 1800 number for Congress-call up & ask why stand-down  Pallas180   Aug-01-04 03:42 AM   #120 
   Blah, blah, blah, blah...  tedthebear   Aug-01-04 04:00 AM   #121 
   Uh, the point is, YOUR worry converges  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 10:22 AM   #128 
   I keep telling people that the election will never happen.  Rex   Aug-01-04 05:18 AM   #122 
   So much money and power is at stake  Boomer   Aug-01-04 07:07 AM   #124 
   The Constitution of the United States is at stake  Pallas180   Aug-01-04 09:43 AM   #126 
      kick it for America  Pallas180   Aug-01-04 09:43 AM   #127 
   yeah, MIHOP is beginning to look very reasonable.  Pallas180   Aug-01-04 09:42 AM   #125 
   Bingo  LunaC   Aug-01-04 12:42 PM   #142 
   Scare Tactics  Scorpious_Maximus   Aug-01-04 10:26 AM   #129 
   great thread!  oceanpoetry   Aug-01-04 11:27 AM   #132 
   See post #41  Selwynn   Aug-01-04 11:53 AM   #136 
   And see my post in response, whose question is so far unanswered  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 12:17 PM   #140 
   Fearmongering Debunked  Tansy_Gold   Aug-01-04 12:14 PM   #139 
   That's only one piece of it, Tansy  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 12:21 PM   #141 
   When "backstories" are being created, the FACTS are mostly irrelevant.  beam_me_up   Aug-01-04 12:49 PM   #143 
      Good post  Eloriel   Aug-01-04 01:54 PM   #146 
      Yup. BEAM. Yup  Pallas180   Aug-01-04 02:12 PM   #147 
   This thread needs another look after the Ridge announcement  GloriaSmith   Aug-01-04 02:28 PM   #148 
   Are the Mexican Authorities doing enough ?  midwayer   Aug-01-04 03:01 PM   #150 
      Mexico  midwayer   Aug-01-04 03:16 PM   #151 
 

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