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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 05:17 PM
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81. So, then, I take it you speak for the entire Democratic Party
When you say you are just as committed to micro-managing the personal choices of individuals as the religious right loonies who have taken over the GOP?

Because if that's the case, I know several thousand people here in my state, myself included, who are registered to the wrong party, then.
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  -Libertarianism... What a bunch of BULLSHIT!!!! devilgrrl  Jul-26-04 03:44 PM   #0 
  - word  NoodleBoy   Jul-26-04 03:46 PM   #1 
  - actually, there are people working on it...  ixion   Jul-26-04 03:51 PM   #2 
  - You're mostly right  asthmaticeog   Jul-26-04 03:56 PM   #10 
  - I second that Asthmaticeog! You're absolutely right.  LSU_Subversive   Jul-27-04 11:11 PM   #112 
  - Thanks...  deseo   Jul-28-04 07:00 AM   #155 
  - Well, Libertarians don't have any problem meddling with  The Backlash Cometh   Jul-26-04 04:19 PM   #19 
  - Amen to that...  MrBenchley   Jul-26-04 03:52 PM   #3 
  - Libertarianism is...  Birthmark   Jul-26-04 03:53 PM   #4 
  - Libertarianism: The very worst of conservative and liberal values...  arbusto_baboso   Jul-26-04 03:53 PM   #5 
  - The worst of conservative AND liberal values?  neverborn   Jul-27-04 03:54 AM   #28 
  - Yeah, right... It's the sides of Conservatism and Liberalism that  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 04:09 AM   #31 
     - If you don't want to tithe 45% to church and pay 45% income tax...  JVS   Jul-27-04 04:14 PM   #77 
  - Libertarianism  bryant69   Jul-26-04 03:54 PM   #6 
  - Libertarianism is best described as...  WillW   Jul-26-04 03:54 PM   #7 
  - Or those of freshmen college students  fujiyama   Jul-27-04 05:03 AM   #43 
     - Sounds "Left-Libertarian" to me...  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 08:04 AM   #52 
     - We have a club!?!  JHB   Jul-27-04 10:50 AM   #61 
     - *lol*  WMass astronomer   Jul-27-04 09:56 AM   #57 
     - Right, and now that I'm grown up  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:13 PM   #79 
        - The government told corporations they can't polute my water...  kiahzero   Jul-29-04 01:21 AM   #174 
     - i prefer calling myself a civil libertine...  NuttyFluffers   Jul-28-04 04:31 AM   #143 
        - I'm A "Resident Of Hedonia", myself... n/t  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 06:00 AM   #153 
  - So do a whole litany of minor parties....  rinsd   Jul-26-04 03:55 PM   #8 
  - Primarily appeals to 15-30 year olds smoking weed  Argumentus   Jul-26-04 03:56 PM   #9 
  - Libertarians are concerned with reducing FEDERAL power...  leftyandproud   Jul-26-04 04:00 PM   #11 
  - I guess I'm referring to the more extreme Libertarians  Argumentus   Jul-26-04 04:03 PM   #15 
  - Yeah there are different types...  guruant   Jul-26-04 04:08 PM   #16 
  - Not where I'm from.  donco6   Jul-26-04 04:12 PM   #17 
  - Gilded Age...  WillW   Jul-26-04 04:19 PM   #18 
  - That seems pretty clear to me.  donco6   Jul-26-04 04:29 PM   #20 
  - I don't think the Gilded Age is a good representation  Columbia   Jul-27-04 12:15 AM   #22 
  - The libertarian answer to everything is  p0X   Jul-27-04 11:38 PM   #118 
  - Shut down the video stores!  ronabop   Jul-27-04 04:23 AM   #34 
     - ?? don't know what you sat on to make you say that...?  NuttyFluffers   Jul-28-04 04:45 AM   #145 
  - i like freeways, post office, judicial systems, etc...  NuttyFluffers   Jul-28-04 04:38 AM   #144 
  - You don't have to be a "15-30 year old smoking weed"  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 04:18 AM   #32 
     - Great post =)  neverborn   Jul-27-04 04:20 AM   #33 
     - nope, still don't see libertarian in there...  NuttyFluffers   Jul-28-04 04:57 AM   #146 
     - I'm right there with you.  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 05:58 AM   #152 
     - The smell of burning straw  dpibel   Jul-28-04 05:41 AM   #148 
        - We're playing Semantics Here..  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 05:55 AM   #151 
           - The difference between "small L" and "big L"  Cicero   Jul-29-04 01:31 PM   #179 
  - The only Libertarian I ever locked horns with believed in  Cleita   Jul-26-04 04:02 PM   #12 
  - Deleted  Cleita   Jul-26-04 04:02 PM   #13 
  - Deleted  Cleita   Jul-26-04 04:03 PM   #14 
  - This could have been an interesting discussion of libertarian v.  MajorFlaw   Jul-27-04 12:11 AM   #21 
  - Thank you.  secondtermdenier   Jul-27-04 03:55 AM   #29 
  - Agreed. Libertarians serve a purpose, as they can always be counted on  MajorFlaw   Jul-27-04 06:08 AM   #48 
     - Especially with the administration currently in power  Nadienne   Jul-27-04 08:29 AM   #54 
  - There'd have to be a "value" beyond childish self-interest  MrBenchley   Jul-27-04 08:20 AM   #53 
     - Don't knock "comic book" values  JHB   Jul-27-04 11:11 AM   #62 
        - Sell Cloverleaf salve and win a pony...  MrBenchley   Jul-29-04 07:16 AM   #178 
  - Pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-war, church/state seperation stances  japanduh   Jul-27-04 12:21 AM   #23 
  - In theory, yes...  durutti   Jul-27-04 03:46 AM   #25 
     - And Zell Miller and Joementum call themselves Democrats.  japanduh   Jul-27-04 04:41 AM   #36 
  - Libertarianism is just conservatism packaged for marketing to college kids  durutti   Jul-27-04 03:44 AM   #24 
  - Some of you guys sound like FReepers.  neverborn   Jul-27-04 03:49 AM   #26 
  - Funny thing is Freepers hate Libertarians more than we do.  japanduh   Jul-27-04 04:48 AM   #38 
  - That doesn't mean the vitriol here is okay.  neverborn   Jul-27-04 04:54 AM   #40 
  - No it doesn't. Point is, we should be working WITH Libertarians.  japanduh   Jul-27-04 05:34 AM   #46 
  - Yes, and the fact that the Christian taliban wing has taken over the GOP  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 08:03 AM   #51 
  - Sorry for the vitriol...  devilgrrl   Jul-27-04 11:38 PM   #117 
  - I tell people here, who know other people who "cant stomach" Kerry  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 04:56 AM   #42 
  - And when you say increasingly libertarian, do you mean the  Donkeyboy75   Jul-28-04 03:39 PM   #159 
  - My husband calls them the "Kindergarten wing of the GOP"  Solly Mack   Jul-27-04 03:49 AM   #27 
  - Really. What does that make the people  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 04:55 AM   #41 
     - Those are the out and out idiots of the GOP. Got anymore questions?  Solly Mack   Jul-27-04 02:13 PM   #63 
  - Libertarianism has worked well...  ronabop   Jul-27-04 03:59 AM   #30 
  - Memes in a Petri Dish  porphyrian   Jul-27-04 03:23 PM   #69 
  - Most Libertarians seem  Piperay   Jul-27-04 04:36 AM   #35 
  - Meet Howard Stern and Bill Maher.  japanduh   Jul-27-04 04:47 AM   #37 
  - TERRIFIC...  Piperay   Jul-27-04 05:06 AM   #45 
  - Are you talking about Libertarian Party Members?  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 04:53 AM   #39 
     - Actually I was thinking of some  Piperay   Jul-27-04 05:05 AM   #44 
        - Yeah, I'm with you, the media  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 07:57 AM   #50 
  - Individualist Anarchists  toddaa   Jul-27-04 06:07 AM   #47 
  - Yeah, the minute some chucklehead starts quoting  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 07:54 AM   #49 
  - I very much agree with you  Cats Against Frist   Jul-27-04 09:52 AM   #56 
  - Bakunin and Goldman weren't individualists  tomorrowsashes   Jul-27-04 04:11 PM   #76 
  - What's so terrible about defending an individual's right  Nadienne   Jul-27-04 08:41 AM   #55 
  - Kill The HERETIC!!!!!  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:39 PM   #89 
     - More like  Nadienne   Jul-28-04 08:19 AM   #157 
  - Beats Communism on the naîvette scale, by a nose.  JCCyC   Jul-27-04 09:57 AM   #58 
  - Libertarians are cynical, not naive. BIG difference. n/t  MajorFlaw   Jul-27-04 10:24 AM   #59 
  - Some naive people only THINK they're being cynical.  Blue-Jay   Jul-27-04 02:30 PM   #64 
     - I suspect that most naive people are unaware of their naivete. Thats sort  MajorFlaw   Jul-27-04 02:51 PM   #67 
  - You've got to be joking.  neverborn   Jul-27-04 03:42 PM   #73 
  - Speaking as someone who describes himself as "left libertarian"...  JHB   Jul-27-04 10:31 AM   #60 
  - I'll give it a shot  sangh0   Jul-27-04 02:39 PM   #66 
     - Yet Government is the one the obsess on...  JHB   Jul-27-04 03:30 PM   #71 
        - Just like the Republicans  sangh0   Jul-28-04 04:08 PM   #163 
  - Libertarianism = throwing the environment in the toilet  blindpig   Jul-27-04 02:39 PM   #65 
  - True believers  69KV   Jul-27-04 03:08 PM   #68 
  - Well, I guess that's why I've never voted for a Libertarian Candidate  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:35 PM   #86 
     - Left-libertarians  69KV   Jul-27-04 11:06 PM   #109 
        - Not unless we're talking about some weird Gene Roddenberry future...  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 12:44 AM   #126 
           - k, just read this one after i replied once already to you...  NuttyFluffers   Jul-28-04 05:23 AM   #147 
              - I guess they're not exclusive...  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 06:16 AM   #154 
                 - :) thanks for the site  NuttyFluffers   Jul-28-04 03:29 PM   #158 
  - Doesn't Neil Boortz claim to be libertarian  rniel   Jul-27-04 03:28 PM   #70 
  - He's still trying to sell himself as one ...  p0X   Jul-27-04 11:46 PM   #119 
  - Their views on individidual behavior are fine  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-27-04 03:32 PM   #72 
  - Libertarian with regards to the adult individual's rights  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:24 PM   #83 
     - When I think of Libertarian (Big L)  Pithlet   Jul-27-04 06:36 PM   #99 
        - That's how I self identify, too...  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 06:47 PM   #103 
  - Libertarian Socialism (anarchism) has been put into practice before  tomorrowsashes   Jul-27-04 03:53 PM   #74 
  - The right-wing kind of libertarianism has been put into practice too  69KV   Jul-27-04 11:27 PM   #115 
  - Ugh I Know...  Lizz612   Jul-27-04 03:58 PM   #75 
  - The problem with drug control  tomorrowsashes   Jul-27-04 04:19 PM   #78 
  - I'm not convinced that law enforcement is the best way  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:29 PM   #84 
     - what utter bullshit.  Waverley_Hills_Hiker   Jul-27-04 06:31 PM   #98 
     - Thanks for refuting my argument  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 06:44 PM   #102 
     - *sigh*  Lizz612   Jul-27-04 08:25 PM   #105 
        - Well, I'm glad you're enough of an expert on all chemicals  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 05:41 AM   #149 
           - Good Post  tomorrowsashes   Jul-28-04 03:47 PM   #161 
           - Listen  Lizz612   Jul-28-04 04:46 PM   #164 
              - Not trying to sound patronizing.  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 05:14 PM   #165 
              - I think my thoughts are not solidified yet  Lizz612   Jul-28-04 07:53 PM   #168 
                 - From where I sit, those are excellent questions...  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 08:51 PM   #171 
                    - See we can all be reasonable and open and we can get somewhere!  Lizz612   Jul-29-04 12:30 AM   #172 
              - Re; Your Edit--  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 05:19 PM   #167 
  - Libertarianism=Republicans who like to smoke pot  XanthaS   Jul-27-04 05:14 PM   #80 
  - So, then, I take it you speak for the entire Democratic Party  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:17 PM   #81 
     - All of the Libertarians I've personally met....  XanthaS   Jul-27-04 05:19 PM   #82 
        - Okay, again, are we talking about registered libertarians,  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:33 PM   #85 
           - One of the Libertarians I know...  XanthaS   Jul-27-04 05:41 PM   #90 
              - Cool. I keep saying, if folks like that can't deal with Kerry---  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:45 PM   #91 
  - Time for the Political Compass Link  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:38 PM   #87 
  - Economic Left/Right: -4.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:38 PM   #88 
  - I'm familiar with that particular political compass test ...  XanthaS   Jul-27-04 05:46 PM   #93 
  - Well, I think reducing everything to a linear "right-left"  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 06:23 PM   #95 
     - That's the problem I have with this particular compass  XanthaS   Jul-27-04 06:29 PM   #97 
        - So, you wouldn't put Stalin on the "left"?  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 06:42 PM   #101 
  - Economic: -10.0, Social: -8.87  tomorrowsashes   Jul-27-04 07:42 PM   #104 
  - They have one big plus in their column  hatrack   Jul-27-04 05:46 PM   #92 
  - Yes, the taxation and laissez-faire principles......  XanthaS   Jul-27-04 05:50 PM   #94 
  - I agree 100% n/t  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 06:24 PM   #96 
  - This is a crackpot, cranky ideology...  Waverley_Hills_Hiker   Jul-27-04 06:42 PM   #100 
  - Libertarians are selfish  Killarney   Jul-27-04 08:31 PM   #106 
  - SCREW YOU!!!! What do you have against Librarians?  Cronus   Jul-27-04 08:41 PM   #107 
  - Show me a few instances where Libertarian ideas have been put into use...  devilgrrl   Jul-27-04 11:25 PM   #114 
  - Libertarians don't think there should be a public sphere at all  eridani   Jul-27-04 08:41 PM   #108 
  - Liberatarians are Republicans who smoke pot  Must_B_Free   Jul-27-04 11:09 PM   #110 
  - Yes they are  Scorpious_Maximus   Jul-27-04 11:10 PM   #111 
  - Hey! I posted that same thing above!  XanthaS   Jul-28-04 03:41 PM   #160 
  - I know two...both losers  Hobarticus   Jul-27-04 11:14 PM   #113 
  - First thing to ask a libertarian ...  p0X   Jul-27-04 11:36 PM   #116 
  - The real good political test -- 10 questions.  neverborn   Jul-28-04 12:09 AM   #120 
  - Whose answers?  devilgrrl   Jul-28-04 12:32 AM   #123 
  - And please explain to me where  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 12:34 AM   #124 
     - What?  devilgrrl   Jul-28-04 12:41 AM   #125 
        - OK, that was not entirely clear from some of your posts.  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 01:07 AM   #131 
           - Sorry...  devilgrrl   Jul-28-04 01:10 AM   #133 
  - Thanks for that  GoneOffShore   Jul-28-04 05:15 PM   #166 
  - As a libertarian (mostly)...  Tommythegun   Jul-28-04 12:24 AM   #121 
  - i don't think i am alone  father_twilight   Jul-28-04 12:46 AM   #127 
     - Russia in 1917...  Tommythegun   Jul-28-04 12:52 AM   #128 
        - ummm  father_twilight   Jul-28-04 01:08 AM   #132 
           - Competitive?...  Tommythegun   Jul-28-04 01:13 AM   #134 
              - ummmm, no  father_twilight   Jul-28-04 01:24 AM   #135 
                 - Whoa! Quite a lot there...  Tommythegun   Jul-28-04 01:47 AM   #136 
                    - The U.S. had a pretty libertarian economy in the 19th century  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-28-04 04:06 PM   #162 
  - of course it does  father_twilight   Jul-28-04 12:30 AM   #122 
  - As a resident libertarian please let me say  Liberal Classic   Jul-28-04 01:00 AM   #129 
  - Amen brother!...  Tommythegun   Jul-28-04 01:07 AM   #130 
  - I believe libertarianism is a good,,,  pbg   Jul-28-04 01:50 AM   #137 
  - True enough...  Tommythegun   Jul-28-04 01:53 AM   #138 
  - Or, like God answering prayer,  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 01:55 AM   #139 
     - And sometimes...  pbg   Jul-28-04 02:20 AM   #141 
        - And sometimes...  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 02:42 AM   #142 
  - Libertarianism doesn't even sound good on paper to me  Shiru   Jul-28-04 02:16 AM   #140 
  - A Libertarian government would be  damkira   Jul-28-04 05:51 AM   #150 
  - one thing Libertarians rarely talk about,  rman   Jul-28-04 07:16 AM   #156 
  - Lets just get rid of the people... that will solve the problem!  cosmicvortex20   Jul-28-04 07:56 PM   #169 
  - I've got a libertarian friend  ASanders84   Jul-28-04 08:05 PM   #170 
  - social libertarians are great, but when it comes to ECONOMICS........  texas is the reason   Jul-29-04 01:19 AM   #173 
  - Most "Libertarians" are really Bush supporters who don't want to admit it  Democat   Jul-29-04 01:21 AM   #175 
  - screw the label left libertarian.  Sirveri   Jul-29-04 02:22 AM   #176 
     - so, "social libertarian" = liberal, progressive  rman   Jul-29-04 02:46 AM   #177 
 

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