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43. Or those of freshmen college students
Edited on Tue Jul-27-04 05:06 AM by fujiyama
I considered myself "libertarian" years ago, then I realized that I am actually a LIBERAL and that I actually believe that government has a place in society, that it should provide a safety net, and education, health care, and a clean environment.

I guess I'm a civil libertarian though. I believe that the government should stay out of people's lives as much as possible when dealing with social issues. That's why I'm pro choice, against the PATRIOT Act, against the drug war, against the draft (except in emergencies), and have even come around on gun control (less in favor of it than I once was).
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  -Libertarianism... What a bunch of BULLSHIT!!!! devilgrrl  Jul-26-04 03:44 PM   #0 
  - word  NoodleBoy   Jul-26-04 03:46 PM   #1 
  - actually, there are people working on it...  ixion   Jul-26-04 03:51 PM   #2 
  - You're mostly right  asthmaticeog   Jul-26-04 03:56 PM   #10 
  - I second that Asthmaticeog! You're absolutely right.  LSU_Subversive   Jul-27-04 11:11 PM   #112 
  - Thanks...  deseo   Jul-28-04 07:00 AM   #155 
  - Well, Libertarians don't have any problem meddling with  The Backlash Cometh   Jul-26-04 04:19 PM   #19 
  - Amen to that...  MrBenchley   Jul-26-04 03:52 PM   #3 
  - Libertarianism is...  Birthmark   Jul-26-04 03:53 PM   #4 
  - Libertarianism: The very worst of conservative and liberal values...  arbusto_baboso   Jul-26-04 03:53 PM   #5 
  - The worst of conservative AND liberal values?  neverborn   Jul-27-04 03:54 AM   #28 
  - Yeah, right... It's the sides of Conservatism and Liberalism that  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 04:09 AM   #31 
     - If you don't want to tithe 45% to church and pay 45% income tax...  JVS   Jul-27-04 04:14 PM   #77 
  - Libertarianism  bryant69   Jul-26-04 03:54 PM   #6 
  - Libertarianism is best described as...  WillW   Jul-26-04 03:54 PM   #7 
  - Or those of freshmen college students  fujiyama   Jul-27-04 05:03 AM   #43 
     - Sounds "Left-Libertarian" to me...  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 08:04 AM   #52 
     - We have a club!?!  JHB   Jul-27-04 10:50 AM   #61 
     - *lol*  WMass astronomer   Jul-27-04 09:56 AM   #57 
     - Right, and now that I'm grown up  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:13 PM   #79 
        - The government told corporations they can't polute my water...  kiahzero   Jul-29-04 01:21 AM   #174 
     - i prefer calling myself a civil libertine...  NuttyFluffers   Jul-28-04 04:31 AM   #143 
        - I'm A "Resident Of Hedonia", myself... n/t  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 06:00 AM   #153 
  - So do a whole litany of minor parties....  rinsd   Jul-26-04 03:55 PM   #8 
  - Primarily appeals to 15-30 year olds smoking weed  Argumentus   Jul-26-04 03:56 PM   #9 
  - Libertarians are concerned with reducing FEDERAL power...  leftyandproud   Jul-26-04 04:00 PM   #11 
  - I guess I'm referring to the more extreme Libertarians  Argumentus   Jul-26-04 04:03 PM   #15 
  - Yeah there are different types...  guruant   Jul-26-04 04:08 PM   #16 
  - Not where I'm from.  donco6   Jul-26-04 04:12 PM   #17 
  - Gilded Age...  WillW   Jul-26-04 04:19 PM   #18 
  - That seems pretty clear to me.  donco6   Jul-26-04 04:29 PM   #20 
  - I don't think the Gilded Age is a good representation  Columbia   Jul-27-04 12:15 AM   #22 
  - The libertarian answer to everything is  p0X   Jul-27-04 11:38 PM   #118 
  - Shut down the video stores!  ronabop   Jul-27-04 04:23 AM   #34 
     - ?? don't know what you sat on to make you say that...?  NuttyFluffers   Jul-28-04 04:45 AM   #145 
  - i like freeways, post office, judicial systems, etc...  NuttyFluffers   Jul-28-04 04:38 AM   #144 
  - You don't have to be a "15-30 year old smoking weed"  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 04:18 AM   #32 
     - Great post =)  neverborn   Jul-27-04 04:20 AM   #33 
     - nope, still don't see libertarian in there...  NuttyFluffers   Jul-28-04 04:57 AM   #146 
     - I'm right there with you.  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 05:58 AM   #152 
     - The smell of burning straw  dpibel   Jul-28-04 05:41 AM   #148 
        - We're playing Semantics Here..  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 05:55 AM   #151 
           - The difference between "small L" and "big L"  Cicero   Jul-29-04 01:31 PM   #179 
  - The only Libertarian I ever locked horns with believed in  Cleita   Jul-26-04 04:02 PM   #12 
  - Deleted  Cleita   Jul-26-04 04:02 PM   #13 
  - Deleted  Cleita   Jul-26-04 04:03 PM   #14 
  - This could have been an interesting discussion of libertarian v.  MajorFlaw   Jul-27-04 12:11 AM   #21 
  - Thank you.  secondtermdenier   Jul-27-04 03:55 AM   #29 
  - Agreed. Libertarians serve a purpose, as they can always be counted on  MajorFlaw   Jul-27-04 06:08 AM   #48 
     - Especially with the administration currently in power  Nadienne   Jul-27-04 08:29 AM   #54 
  - There'd have to be a "value" beyond childish self-interest  MrBenchley   Jul-27-04 08:20 AM   #53 
     - Don't knock "comic book" values  JHB   Jul-27-04 11:11 AM   #62 
        - Sell Cloverleaf salve and win a pony...  MrBenchley   Jul-29-04 07:16 AM   #178 
  - Pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-war, church/state seperation stances  japanduh   Jul-27-04 12:21 AM   #23 
  - In theory, yes...  durutti   Jul-27-04 03:46 AM   #25 
     - And Zell Miller and Joementum call themselves Democrats.  japanduh   Jul-27-04 04:41 AM   #36 
  - Libertarianism is just conservatism packaged for marketing to college kids  durutti   Jul-27-04 03:44 AM   #24 
  - Some of you guys sound like FReepers.  neverborn   Jul-27-04 03:49 AM   #26 
  - Funny thing is Freepers hate Libertarians more than we do.  japanduh   Jul-27-04 04:48 AM   #38 
  - That doesn't mean the vitriol here is okay.  neverborn   Jul-27-04 04:54 AM   #40 
  - No it doesn't. Point is, we should be working WITH Libertarians.  japanduh   Jul-27-04 05:34 AM   #46 
  - Yes, and the fact that the Christian taliban wing has taken over the GOP  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 08:03 AM   #51 
  - Sorry for the vitriol...  devilgrrl   Jul-27-04 11:38 PM   #117 
  - I tell people here, who know other people who "cant stomach" Kerry  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 04:56 AM   #42 
  - And when you say increasingly libertarian, do you mean the  Donkeyboy75   Jul-28-04 03:39 PM   #159 
  - My husband calls them the "Kindergarten wing of the GOP"  Solly Mack   Jul-27-04 03:49 AM   #27 
  - Really. What does that make the people  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 04:55 AM   #41 
     - Those are the out and out idiots of the GOP. Got anymore questions?  Solly Mack   Jul-27-04 02:13 PM   #63 
  - Libertarianism has worked well...  ronabop   Jul-27-04 03:59 AM   #30 
  - Memes in a Petri Dish  porphyrian   Jul-27-04 03:23 PM   #69 
  - Most Libertarians seem  Piperay   Jul-27-04 04:36 AM   #35 
  - Meet Howard Stern and Bill Maher.  japanduh   Jul-27-04 04:47 AM   #37 
  - TERRIFIC...  Piperay   Jul-27-04 05:06 AM   #45 
  - Are you talking about Libertarian Party Members?  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 04:53 AM   #39 
     - Actually I was thinking of some  Piperay   Jul-27-04 05:05 AM   #44 
        - Yeah, I'm with you, the media  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 07:57 AM   #50 
  - Individualist Anarchists  toddaa   Jul-27-04 06:07 AM   #47 
  - Yeah, the minute some chucklehead starts quoting  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 07:54 AM   #49 
  - I very much agree with you  Cats Against Frist   Jul-27-04 09:52 AM   #56 
  - Bakunin and Goldman weren't individualists  tomorrowsashes   Jul-27-04 04:11 PM   #76 
  - What's so terrible about defending an individual's right  Nadienne   Jul-27-04 08:41 AM   #55 
  - Kill The HERETIC!!!!!  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:39 PM   #89 
     - More like  Nadienne   Jul-28-04 08:19 AM   #157 
  - Beats Communism on the naîvette scale, by a nose.  JCCyC   Jul-27-04 09:57 AM   #58 
  - Libertarians are cynical, not naive. BIG difference. n/t  MajorFlaw   Jul-27-04 10:24 AM   #59 
  - Some naive people only THINK they're being cynical.  Blue-Jay   Jul-27-04 02:30 PM   #64 
     - I suspect that most naive people are unaware of their naivete. Thats sort  MajorFlaw   Jul-27-04 02:51 PM   #67 
  - You've got to be joking.  neverborn   Jul-27-04 03:42 PM   #73 
  - Speaking as someone who describes himself as "left libertarian"...  JHB   Jul-27-04 10:31 AM   #60 
  - I'll give it a shot  sangh0   Jul-27-04 02:39 PM   #66 
     - Yet Government is the one the obsess on...  JHB   Jul-27-04 03:30 PM   #71 
        - Just like the Republicans  sangh0   Jul-28-04 04:08 PM   #163 
  - Libertarianism = throwing the environment in the toilet  blindpig   Jul-27-04 02:39 PM   #65 
  - True believers  69KV   Jul-27-04 03:08 PM   #68 
  - Well, I guess that's why I've never voted for a Libertarian Candidate  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:35 PM   #86 
     - Left-libertarians  69KV   Jul-27-04 11:06 PM   #109 
        - Not unless we're talking about some weird Gene Roddenberry future...  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 12:44 AM   #126 
           - k, just read this one after i replied once already to you...  NuttyFluffers   Jul-28-04 05:23 AM   #147 
              - I guess they're not exclusive...  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 06:16 AM   #154 
                 - :) thanks for the site  NuttyFluffers   Jul-28-04 03:29 PM   #158 
  - Doesn't Neil Boortz claim to be libertarian  rniel   Jul-27-04 03:28 PM   #70 
  - He's still trying to sell himself as one ...  p0X   Jul-27-04 11:46 PM   #119 
  - Their views on individidual behavior are fine  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-27-04 03:32 PM   #72 
  - Libertarian with regards to the adult individual's rights  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:24 PM   #83 
     - When I think of Libertarian (Big L)  Pithlet   Jul-27-04 06:36 PM   #99 
        - That's how I self identify, too...  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 06:47 PM   #103 
  - Libertarian Socialism (anarchism) has been put into practice before  tomorrowsashes   Jul-27-04 03:53 PM   #74 
  - The right-wing kind of libertarianism has been put into practice too  69KV   Jul-27-04 11:27 PM   #115 
  - Ugh I Know...  Lizz612   Jul-27-04 03:58 PM   #75 
  - The problem with drug control  tomorrowsashes   Jul-27-04 04:19 PM   #78 
  - I'm not convinced that law enforcement is the best way  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:29 PM   #84 
     - what utter bullshit.  Waverley_Hills_Hiker   Jul-27-04 06:31 PM   #98 
     - Thanks for refuting my argument  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 06:44 PM   #102 
     - *sigh*  Lizz612   Jul-27-04 08:25 PM   #105 
        - Well, I'm glad you're enough of an expert on all chemicals  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 05:41 AM   #149 
           - Good Post  tomorrowsashes   Jul-28-04 03:47 PM   #161 
           - Listen  Lizz612   Jul-28-04 04:46 PM   #164 
              - Not trying to sound patronizing.  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 05:14 PM   #165 
              - I think my thoughts are not solidified yet  Lizz612   Jul-28-04 07:53 PM   #168 
                 - From where I sit, those are excellent questions...  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 08:51 PM   #171 
                    - See we can all be reasonable and open and we can get somewhere!  Lizz612   Jul-29-04 12:30 AM   #172 
              - Re; Your Edit--  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 05:19 PM   #167 
  - Libertarianism=Republicans who like to smoke pot  XanthaS   Jul-27-04 05:14 PM   #80 
  - So, then, I take it you speak for the entire Democratic Party  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:17 PM   #81 
     - All of the Libertarians I've personally met....  XanthaS   Jul-27-04 05:19 PM   #82 
        - Okay, again, are we talking about registered libertarians,  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:33 PM   #85 
           - One of the Libertarians I know...  XanthaS   Jul-27-04 05:41 PM   #90 
              - Cool. I keep saying, if folks like that can't deal with Kerry---  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:45 PM   #91 
  - Time for the Political Compass Link  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:38 PM   #87 
  - Economic Left/Right: -4.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.97  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 05:38 PM   #88 
  - I'm familiar with that particular political compass test ...  XanthaS   Jul-27-04 05:46 PM   #93 
  - Well, I think reducing everything to a linear "right-left"  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 06:23 PM   #95 
     - That's the problem I have with this particular compass  XanthaS   Jul-27-04 06:29 PM   #97 
        - So, you wouldn't put Stalin on the "left"?  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 06:42 PM   #101 
  - Economic: -10.0, Social: -8.87  tomorrowsashes   Jul-27-04 07:42 PM   #104 
  - They have one big plus in their column  hatrack   Jul-27-04 05:46 PM   #92 
  - Yes, the taxation and laissez-faire principles......  XanthaS   Jul-27-04 05:50 PM   #94 
  - I agree 100% n/t  impeachdubya   Jul-27-04 06:24 PM   #96 
  - This is a crackpot, cranky ideology...  Waverley_Hills_Hiker   Jul-27-04 06:42 PM   #100 
  - Libertarians are selfish  Killarney   Jul-27-04 08:31 PM   #106 
  - SCREW YOU!!!! What do you have against Librarians?  Cronus   Jul-27-04 08:41 PM   #107 
  - Show me a few instances where Libertarian ideas have been put into use...  devilgrrl   Jul-27-04 11:25 PM   #114 
  - Libertarians don't think there should be a public sphere at all  eridani   Jul-27-04 08:41 PM   #108 
  - Liberatarians are Republicans who smoke pot  Must_B_Free   Jul-27-04 11:09 PM   #110 
  - Yes they are  Scorpious_Maximus   Jul-27-04 11:10 PM   #111 
  - Hey! I posted that same thing above!  XanthaS   Jul-28-04 03:41 PM   #160 
  - I know two...both losers  Hobarticus   Jul-27-04 11:14 PM   #113 
  - First thing to ask a libertarian ...  p0X   Jul-27-04 11:36 PM   #116 
  - The real good political test -- 10 questions.  neverborn   Jul-28-04 12:09 AM   #120 
  - Whose answers?  devilgrrl   Jul-28-04 12:32 AM   #123 
  - And please explain to me where  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 12:34 AM   #124 
     - What?  devilgrrl   Jul-28-04 12:41 AM   #125 
        - OK, that was not entirely clear from some of your posts.  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 01:07 AM   #131 
           - Sorry...  devilgrrl   Jul-28-04 01:10 AM   #133 
  - Thanks for that  GoneOffShore   Jul-28-04 05:15 PM   #166 
  - As a libertarian (mostly)...  Tommythegun   Jul-28-04 12:24 AM   #121 
  - i don't think i am alone  father_twilight   Jul-28-04 12:46 AM   #127 
     - Russia in 1917...  Tommythegun   Jul-28-04 12:52 AM   #128 
        - ummm  father_twilight   Jul-28-04 01:08 AM   #132 
           - Competitive?...  Tommythegun   Jul-28-04 01:13 AM   #134 
              - ummmm, no  father_twilight   Jul-28-04 01:24 AM   #135 
                 - Whoa! Quite a lot there...  Tommythegun   Jul-28-04 01:47 AM   #136 
                    - The U.S. had a pretty libertarian economy in the 19th century  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-28-04 04:06 PM   #162 
  - of course it does  father_twilight   Jul-28-04 12:30 AM   #122 
  - As a resident libertarian please let me say  Liberal Classic   Jul-28-04 01:00 AM   #129 
  - Amen brother!...  Tommythegun   Jul-28-04 01:07 AM   #130 
  - I believe libertarianism is a good,,,  pbg   Jul-28-04 01:50 AM   #137 
  - True enough...  Tommythegun   Jul-28-04 01:53 AM   #138 
  - Or, like God answering prayer,  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 01:55 AM   #139 
     - And sometimes...  pbg   Jul-28-04 02:20 AM   #141 
        - And sometimes...  impeachdubya   Jul-28-04 02:42 AM   #142 
  - Libertarianism doesn't even sound good on paper to me  Shiru   Jul-28-04 02:16 AM   #140 
  - A Libertarian government would be  damkira   Jul-28-04 05:51 AM   #150 
  - one thing Libertarians rarely talk about,  rman   Jul-28-04 07:16 AM   #156 
  - Lets just get rid of the people... that will solve the problem!  cosmicvortex20   Jul-28-04 07:56 PM   #169 
  - I've got a libertarian friend  ASanders84   Jul-28-04 08:05 PM   #170 
  - social libertarians are great, but when it comes to ECONOMICS........  texas is the reason   Jul-29-04 01:19 AM   #173 
  - Most "Libertarians" are really Bush supporters who don't want to admit it  Democat   Jul-29-04 01:21 AM   #175 
  - screw the label left libertarian.  Sirveri   Jul-29-04 02:22 AM   #176 
     - so, "social libertarian" = liberal, progressive  rman   Jul-29-04 02:46 AM   #177 
 

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