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Mike Niendorff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-24-04 04:43 PM
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82. There's no way to "get through to them"
Edited on Sat Jul-24-04 04:48 PM by Mike Niendorff

If you ignore them, then, in their minds, you're obviously "one of the unsaved".

If you oppose their radical and apocalyptic agenda, then their cultivated paranoia kicks in, and they go into hysterics about "Stalinism, Maoism, reeducation camps", etc, etc, etc. Witness previous replies to this thread for multiple examples of this.

The point is twofold, really.

On the one hand, these people have created an insulated cult-world for themselves. They only read pre-approved books, listen to pre-approved music, watch pre-approved TV channels, etc, etc. They immerse themselves in the cult's version of reality, to the exclusion of all other information. The cult tells them that this makes them "the good people". Or, more to the point, that it makes them "the better people". Better than "the nonbelievers". Better than "the unsaved". Every word you speak to them will be filtered through layer upon layer of this brainwashing.

On the other hand, the cult has aggressively instilled in them a cultivated paranoia about "the nonbelievers". They have been trained to believe that people who reject the cult are all secretly part of any number of "anti-Christian" conspiracies. In their minds, the world outside the cult is a dangerous mix of "heathens", "pagans", "secular humanists", "communists", "the NEA", "the gays", "socialists", "gun-grabbers" -- on and on and on. And, of course, all these groups share one thing in common : we are all secretly conspiring against the cult, trying to "corrupt their children" and "lead people astray". In short, their entire world is divided into two camps : members of the cult vs. "the evil outsiders". Dialogue will not -- and cannot -- exist under such a mindset. And that is by design.

It's tragic that real Christians have allowed their religion to be perverted in this way, because true Christianity has much to recommend it. But, again, good luck even trying to have that conversation with one of these fake-Christian cultists. The cult's conditioning simply will not allow it.


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  -how do you stop a religion that WANTS the world to END? mopaul  Jul-24-04 09:24 AM   #0 
  - unfortunately you don't. Karl Marx was right.  crozet4clark   Jul-24-04 09:26 AM   #1 
  - I'll double that!  WillW   Jul-24-04 10:06 AM   #19 
  - Religion is very much like a forest fire  demwing2   Jul-24-04 11:56 AM   #34 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-04 01:05 PM   #49 
  - exactly. n/t  jonnyblitz   Jul-24-04 01:57 PM   #59 
  - stage the rapture and see how many turn up?  Solly Mack   Jul-24-04 09:28 AM   #2 
  - You nailed the answer!  demwing2   Jul-24-04 11:52 AM   #32 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-04 09:29 AM   #3 
  - WTF??? Bring on the Crusades? Bring on the Gas Chambers?  Dob Bole   Jul-24-04 11:56 AM   #33 
  - Problem is...  xocolatl   Jul-24-04 09:31 AM   #4 
  - no doubt, the world will end  mopaul   Jul-24-04 09:35 AM   #5 
  - I know...  xocolatl   Jul-24-04 09:42 AM   #7 
  - If by the world ending you mean life on the surface may be obliterated,  stopbush   Jul-24-04 11:27 AM   #24 
     - Actually, I'm not that pessimistic  xocolatl   Jul-24-04 12:57 PM   #46 
        - It's never too late to be a Pessimist!  ilovenicepeople   Jul-24-04 05:12 PM   #88 
           - What was that Lily Tomlin line?  xocolatl   Jul-24-04 05:23 PM   #91 
  - declare the rapture has just occured; only 5 or so people were taken  codegreen   Jul-24-04 09:38 AM   #6 
  - Wish I knew because my whole family believes this crap  The Zanti Regent   Jul-24-04 09:43 AM   #8 
  - Tell them about the Millerites  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-24-04 09:56 AM   #14 
     - They've whiffed too many farts from the ASS of Gawd  The Zanti Regent   Jul-24-04 02:48 PM   #62 
  - Time will reduce them to irrelevance  JellyBean1   Jul-24-04 09:48 AM   #9 
  - Nutballs  Baltimoreboy   Jul-24-04 09:50 AM   #10 
  - I fail to understand how you don't see the hypocrisy in what you just said  kysrsoze   Jul-24-04 01:22 PM   #51 
  - Not even remarkably close  Baltimoreboy   Jul-24-04 01:52 PM   #57 
  - Whew thanks.  ilovenicepeople   Jul-24-04 05:20 PM   #90 
  - I was watching this lady evangelist on TV recently  gauguin57   Jul-24-04 09:50 AM   #11 
  - But used to great effect in the Middle Ages  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-24-04 09:54 AM   #13 
  - You are probably talking about  Zidane   Jul-24-04 12:41 PM   #41 
  - People who have studied history  ayeshahaqqiqa   Jul-24-04 09:51 AM   #12 
  - the only way to defeat evil  Sparrow   Jul-24-04 09:59 AM   #15 
  - let them start retail.  lil-petunia   Jul-24-04 10:02 AM   #16 
  - take away their tax exemption  Mr.Green93   Jul-24-04 10:02 AM   #17 
  - Now I know why Reagan closed down  DoYouEverWonder   Jul-24-04 10:02 AM   #18 
  - What religion is that?  TeacherCreature   Jul-24-04 10:10 AM   #20 
  - I'd still like to know what religion you are talking about Mopaul  TeacherCreature   Jul-24-04 03:19 PM   #70 
  - We have fundie Christian churches right here in Portland Oregon  Harrad   Jul-24-04 11:10 AM   #21 
  - And how are they harming you?  TeacherCreature   Jul-24-04 03:17 PM   #69 
     - Actually  Harrad   Jul-24-04 05:02 PM   #85 
        - Agreed-  depakote_kid   Jul-24-04 05:13 PM   #89 
  - a purge?  leftofthedial   Jul-24-04 11:15 AM   #22 
  - Why does it need to be stopped?  Dob Bole   Jul-24-04 11:23 AM   #23 
  - In this case its like saying in a crowded life boat..we all have the  opihimoimoi   Jul-24-04 11:29 AM   #25 
     - Good analogy!  Harrad   Jul-24-04 11:31 AM   #26 
     - Bad Analogy!  Dob Bole   Jul-24-04 11:47 AM   #30 
     - In my mind, they are "drilling holes". While I do not advocate drilling  opihimoimoi   Jul-24-04 12:04 PM   #36 
        - Nuclear armageddon fulfills prophecy so they do not work for peace  Generic Other   Jul-24-04 12:13 PM   #37 
        - Yep, and here's just one example...  theHandpuppet   Jul-24-04 12:22 PM   #39 
        - Somehow, somewhere, they made PEACE a dirty word..... sad  opihimoimoi   Jul-24-04 12:22 PM   #40 
        - Apocalypse Now: Why the Book of Revelations is Must Reading  Disturbed   Jul-24-04 03:44 PM   #75 
           - We need another ingredient in beer to foster thinking, not stifling...  opihimoimoi   Jul-24-04 03:49 PM   #77 
        - So you advocate forcing them to believe your way?  Baltimoreboy   Jul-24-04 12:18 PM   #38 
           - Read the message, my name is not George. He is the fool in the Oval Office  opihimoimoi   Jul-24-04 01:25 PM   #52 
              - Yes he is  Baltimoreboy   Jul-24-04 01:39 PM   #53 
                 - Please read my post carefully....I said I "advocate/suggest"...did not use  opihimoimoi   Jul-24-04 01:48 PM   #54 
                    - I notice you don't dispute reeducation as your goal  Baltimoreboy   Jul-24-04 01:50 PM   #56 
                       - How in the World is it Stalinist???  opihimoimoi   Jul-24-04 02:54 PM   #63 
                          - Perhaps Maoist would be better  Baltimoreboy   Jul-24-04 03:02 PM   #65 
                             - Why are you forcing the status quo?? Change, if done right, is for the  opihimoimoi   Jul-24-04 03:12 PM   #67 
                                - Forcing the status quo  Baltimoreboy   Jul-24-04 03:25 PM   #71 
                                   - Exactly. the change Bush advocates is counter productive and counter  opihimoimoi   Jul-24-04 03:45 PM   #76 
                                      - Silly hyperbole will get you no where  Baltimoreboy   Jul-24-04 03:50 PM   #78 
                                         - They are eagerly awaiting the Rapture, the day when the world comes to an  opihimoimoi   Jul-24-04 03:59 PM   #81 
                                         - Zion's Christian Soldiers  wuushew   Jul-24-04 05:06 PM   #87 
     - Garbage  TeacherCreature   Jul-24-04 03:15 PM   #68 
  - God is not the problem...people are the problem.  lottie244   Jul-24-04 11:32 AM   #27 
  - thanks  demwing2   Jul-24-04 12:43 PM   #42 
  - Mix the koolaid for them?  Generic Other   Jul-24-04 11:42 AM   #28 
  - I don't think they want the world to end.  JohnLocke   Jul-24-04 11:45 AM   #29 
  - Excellent Question, Mo.  arwalden   Jul-24-04 11:49 AM   #31 
  - Just Wondering  YNGW   Jul-24-04 03:05 PM   #66 
     - I'm Not Sure What You're Asking  arwalden   Jul-24-04 03:29 PM   #72 
        - Here's what I'm saying  YNGW   Jul-24-04 03:43 PM   #74 
           - But Gods Don't Exist  arwalden   Jul-24-04 03:58 PM   #80 
  - How do you get through?  LoZoccolo   Jul-24-04 12:00 PM   #35 
  - Fun as it is to blame the religion  Astarho   Jul-24-04 12:43 PM   #43 
  - But why change it?  midwayer   Jul-24-04 02:08 PM   #60 
  - my next sig line  ZombyWoof   Jul-24-04 02:56 PM   #64 
  - Free KoolAid to Believers ala Jim Jones  Demeter   Jul-24-04 12:50 PM   #44 
  - buy them an island. Ship them there. Burn the ships.  maggrwaggr   Jul-24-04 12:56 PM   #45 
  - Don't underestimate the damage 150 million BELOW AVERAGE  Anj   Jul-24-04 01:01 PM   #47 
  - Dumb and Dumberer - Elitist's love 'em.  Mr_Spock   Jul-24-04 01:03 PM   #48 
  - And more desperate (eom)  midwayer   Jul-24-04 02:10 PM   #61 
  - You can't, really... What you can do is not vote for them  killbotfactory   Jul-24-04 01:09 PM   #50 
  - Make them restate their goals as often as possible. n/t  rucky   Jul-24-04 01:48 PM   #55 
  - Hey! Maybe Ralph Reed will speak at the GOP convention!  maggrwaggr   Jul-24-04 01:56 PM   #58 
  - Relax and have a beer.  JVS   Jul-24-04 03:31 PM   #73 
  - if they want it to end  Marx_redux   Jul-24-04 03:55 PM   #79 
  - There's no way to "get through to them"  Mike Niendorff   Jul-24-04 04:43 PM   #82 
  - You hit the nail on the head. -nt-  Meldread   Jul-24-04 05:01 PM   #84 
  - unfuckingbelievable  ProdigalJunkMail   Jul-24-04 04:54 PM   #83 
  - You should never blame the religion  ck4829   Jul-24-04 05:06 PM   #86 
  - "Why work when you can make more money selling crack?"  Disturbed   Jul-24-04 05:26 PM   #92 
  - Locking  Moderator   Jul-24-04 05:27 PM   #93 

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