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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-04 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #37
42. Then you're a better man than others
There are several people here at DU who claim that Kerry was installed by some conspiracy of the DLC and possibly others. I assumed, from your comments, that you were just another one. My apologies if this is not the case.

As to your assertion that Kerry is a "sellout," that's an opinion, and so it's impossible to flat out say "you're wrong." However, I do think that such an opinion is not well-grounded in fact; my opinion, I suppose.
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  -This speech by Granny D addresses those that bash Kerry incessantly nothingshocksmeanymore  Jul-19-04 04:59 PM   #0 
  - kick for the Kerry bashers that love to quote her  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 05:12 PM   #1 
  - Kick for the narcissistic progressive movement!  mzmolly   Jul-21-04 09:10 AM   #124 
  - Good speech. Who is GrannyD? n/t  notmyprez   Jul-19-04 05:14 PM   #2 
  - a progressive activist that many progressives like to quote when bashing  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 05:17 PM   #6 
  - Thanks. Good idea.  notmyprez   Jul-19-04 05:19 PM   #8 
  - c'mon,name names  Forkboy   Jul-19-04 05:21 PM   #9 
  - they'll still bash Kerry NSMA  JohnKleeb   Jul-20-04 12:29 PM   #83 
  - Granny D  burrowowl   Jul-20-04 12:09 AM   #70 
  - kick again  wyldwolf   Jul-19-04 05:14 PM   #3 
  - another kick  sangh0   Jul-19-04 05:15 PM   #4 
  - Tony Kushner has been more or less saying the same thing.  CBHagman   Jul-19-04 05:17 PM   #5 
  - Thanks for posting this.  Cleita   Jul-19-04 05:19 PM   #7 
  - Hear Hear!!  OnionPatch   Jul-19-04 05:29 PM   #10 
  - Two excellent threads on this topic today.  Old and In the Way   Jul-19-04 05:34 PM   #11 
  - it's a keeper and a handy quoter  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 05:47 PM   #12 
  - Granny's suggestion here has already been rejected by the Dems.  RichM   Jul-19-04 05:52 PM   #13 
  - Intellectualism must be intertering with your reading skills  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 06:00 PM   #14 
  - This is the 21st century  IndianaGreen   Jul-19-04 06:02 PM   #15 
  - Probably another millenium of GWB gets re-elected  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 06:05 PM   #17 
  - We are discussing the post-ABB post-election period  IndianaGreen   Jul-19-04 06:09 PM   #20 
     - Yes I am a lawyer..a state can't do so with a teaching license  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 06:18 PM   #24 
        - And the silence is deafening  sangh0   Jul-20-04 12:56 PM   #86 
           - Actually it's quite refreshing  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-21-04 01:35 AM   #123 
  - Kerry supports giving all rights of heteroexuals to gay couples  JI7   Jul-19-04 06:07 PM   #19 
     - The issue is a state license  IndianaGreen   Jul-19-04 06:12 PM   #22 
     - tell that to the voters  JI7   Jul-19-04 06:21 PM   #26 
     - You are wasting your time.  Feanorcurufinwe   Jul-19-04 07:46 PM   #54 
     - There is a whiff of "separate but equal" in the air  IndianaGreen   Jul-19-04 10:10 PM   #66 
        - see post 26  JI7   Jul-20-04 12:05 AM   #69 
  - this quote:  CWebster   Jul-20-04 08:27 AM   #76 
  - If  CWebster   Jul-20-04 08:47 AM   #77 
     - Then choose your candidate who cannot win and lose it all  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-20-04 03:25 PM   #99 
  - Because that's who the voters picked  kiahzero   Jul-19-04 06:36 PM   #32 
     - Response -  RichM   Jul-19-04 06:49 PM   #37 
        - sorry, but he isn't  JI7   Jul-19-04 06:55 PM   #40 
        - Then you're a better man than others  kiahzero   Jul-19-04 07:00 PM   #42 
  - "let the progressives take over the Democratic party"  ulysses   Jul-19-04 06:02 PM   #16 
  - Really? So how did Howard and Dennis enjoy their careers?  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 06:07 PM   #18 
     - I think you misunderstand me, Teena  ulysses   Jul-19-04 06:11 PM   #21 
     - No I meant there are far more progressives in the Dem party  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 06:16 PM   #23 
        - I KNOW there are.  ulysses   Jul-19-04 06:20 PM   #25 
           - Hey I was on your side in that one  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 06:24 PM   #27 
              - best spent - as opposed to what? I'm voting for Kerry  ulysses   Jul-19-04 06:35 PM   #30 
                 - I'm sorry Uly....damn message boards  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 06:37 PM   #33 
     - when either of them is the democratic nominee  noiretblu   Jul-19-04 06:36 PM   #31 
        - well at least they both demonstrated they could get elected to AN office  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 06:40 PM   #35 
           - are either of them the DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTIAL nominee?  noiretblu   Jul-19-04 06:51 PM   #38 
              - Knowing they don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 06:53 PM   #39 
                 - i repeat: are either of them the nominee?  noiretblu   Jul-19-04 07:03 PM   #44 
                    - well if you are voting for Kerry anyway, why are we arguing?  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 07:33 PM   #52 
                    - It is an ongoing source of amazement to me  Feanorcurufinwe   Jul-19-04 07:52 PM   #56 
                    - well, i am a green party member  noiretblu   Jul-20-04 12:25 PM   #82 
                    - Dean will at least be able to get something accomplished  divineorder   Jul-20-04 05:46 PM   #115 
                       - thanks, ms cleo.  noiretblu   Jul-20-04 05:51 PM   #117 
  - "We can only enlarge our tent by attracting  noiretblu   Jul-19-04 06:29 PM   #28 
  - Truth is love...and setting the electorate up for 4 more years of Bush  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 06:39 PM   #34 
  - what;'s selfish and narcissitic  noiretblu   Jul-19-04 07:00 PM   #43 
     - Oh come ON!  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 07:06 PM   #45 
        - please...wtf about disenfranchisment?  noiretblu   Jul-19-04 07:12 PM   #46 
           - Did Kerry not assemble a legal team to arm against vote fraud  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 07:15 PM   #48 
              - what about GORE?  noiretblu   Jul-19-04 07:25 PM   #50 
                 - and was the media covering it? Have they yet?  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 07:30 PM   #51 
                    - There's only one defense for Nadir  sangh0   Jul-20-04 01:01 PM   #87 
  - You know, sometimes they call the truth, tough love.  Feanorcurufinwe   Jul-19-04 08:08 PM   #58 
  - Thanks, nsma, and Granny D!!!  DemBones DemBones   Jul-19-04 06:33 PM   #29 
  - What exactly does Kerry bashing mean?  Selwynn   Jul-19-04 06:46 PM   #36 
  - OK for the sake of these conversations, allow me to offer up my  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 06:59 PM   #41 
     - I appreciate that interpretation.  LWolf   Jul-19-04 07:45 PM   #53 
     - I think you're right simply because of the way those things are said...  Selwynn   Jul-19-04 08:00 PM   #57 
     - I've gotta be short because of work demands  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 08:11 PM   #59 
        - That's why I balk just a little at saying "I'm a progressive" as though...  Selwynn   Jul-19-04 08:15 PM   #60 
     - What's wrong with holding Kerry to Kerry's own standards?  IndianaGreen   Jul-19-04 10:03 PM   #64 
        - You're so into arguing with me you didn't notice I said there was  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-20-04 02:43 AM   #74 
  - It's Simple. It's Either John Kerry or George Bush for Four Years. Choose.  David Zephyr   Jul-19-04 07:12 PM   #47 
  - No one wants Bush, but...  IndianaGreen   Jul-19-04 10:08 PM   #65 
     - YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Granny D said we must take over  mzmolly   Jul-20-04 09:12 AM   #79 
  - Not to be biased here, though I am... what a f*cking great post!  Misunderestimator   Jul-19-04 07:25 PM   #49 
  - BRAVO! n/t  Pobeka   Jul-19-04 07:50 PM   #55 
  - I LOVE Granny D!  ZombyWoof   Jul-19-04 08:22 PM   #61 
  - Hey, I'm a recovering Deaniac  RetroLounge   Jul-19-04 08:27 PM   #62 
  - you're welcome  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-19-04 09:56 PM   #63 
  - I Love Granny D but ...  welshTerrier2   Jul-19-04 10:25 PM   #67 
  - OK but let's take a closer look at that  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-20-04 12:02 AM   #68 
     - Electing progressives won't necessarily give you  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 12:53 PM   #85 
     - striving for consensus with you  welshTerrier2   Jul-20-04 05:16 PM   #105 
  - At this point  burrowowl   Jul-20-04 12:18 AM   #71 
  - "We require the perfect candidate..."  RUMMYisFROSTED   Jul-20-04 12:18 AM   #72 
  - Hellooooo GrannyD!  mountainvue   Jul-20-04 12:23 AM   #73 
  - you're welcome  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-20-04 08:18 AM   #75 
  - Kick for Granny D  October   Jul-20-04 08:52 AM   #78 
  - Here's to Granny D!  mzmolly   Jul-20-04 09:14 AM   #80 
  - whose doors are unlocked and halls unguarded  gasperc   Jul-20-04 09:20 AM   #81 
  - I guess Granny's forgotten that progressives have been trying for the  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 12:32 PM   #84 
  - She didn't say "pull the party to the left"  sangh0   Jul-20-04 01:02 PM   #88 
     - Good luck with that. Hasn't happened yet in 40 years of heading rightward  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 01:07 PM   #89 
        - because of leftists like you  sangh0   Jul-20-04 01:09 PM   #90 
        - Gosh, you know me so well. Tell me more about myself, please.  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 01:14 PM   #92 
        - I think you don't know your history from your histrionics  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-20-04 05:03 PM   #101 
           - Trying to hold ground is good, breaking new ground is better.  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 05:07 PM   #102 
              - Did you read the post?  sangh0   Jul-20-04 05:09 PM   #103 
              - But compared to what was accomplished under FDR  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 05:20 PM   #107 
                 - Gee, I guess you won't even defend yourself  sangh0   Jul-20-04 05:27 PM   #109 
                    - And I pointed out that the ground lost amounted to more  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 05:31 PM   #110 
                       - Why won't you defend yourself?  sangh0   Jul-20-04 05:35 PM   #111 
                          - All right. I admit I should have said from the get-go that the dems  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 05:43 PM   #113 
                             - And oh, you still haven't told me all about myself  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 05:44 PM   #114 
              - Baloney....show me ANYTHING Howard or Dennis could accomplish  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-20-04 05:19 PM   #106 
                 - Believe me, I would LOVE to send Kerry to the WH with a Blue  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 05:25 PM   #108 
                    - Will the Dems stand up to what?  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-20-04 05:42 PM   #112 
                       - They happened at unique times, so they don't count  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 05:48 PM   #116 
                       - not on disenfranchisment, and not on the coup  noiretblu   Jul-20-04 06:09 PM   #118 
                          - I am praying you are right and that we can come up with enough votes  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 06:13 PM   #119 
                          - i certainly hope not too, but i'm not optimistic eom  noiretblu   Jul-20-04 06:22 PM   #120 
                          - I am fine with making direct pleas  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-20-04 08:53 PM   #122 
  - My sentiments exactly! No one candidate can be all things...  XanthaS   Jul-20-04 01:10 PM   #91 
  - I've contacted him. If I get an answer, I will post it on my website. :^)  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 01:15 PM   #93 
  - Well I've had members of congress respond to my emails and letters...  XanthaS   Jul-20-04 01:19 PM   #94 
     - I get replies from Snowe, Collins, and Michaud all the time  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 01:21 PM   #95 
        - Wait until he's elected President...  XanthaS   Jul-20-04 01:33 PM   #97 
           - I could try. Will be setting up petitions, too.  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-20-04 01:34 PM   #98 
  - even Kucinich wasnt that  JohnKleeb   Jul-20-04 01:24 PM   #96 
     - Someone asked Kucinich about that on a radio show in Seattle  eridani   Jul-20-04 05:13 PM   #104 
  - It's a hard rain agonna fall. eom  struggle4progress   Jul-20-04 04:38 PM   #100 
  - Very true....eom  Taverner   Jul-20-04 06:25 PM   #121 
  - kick  nothingshocksmeanymore   Jul-21-04 09:15 AM   #125 
 

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