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Sun Jul-18-04 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #13 |
| 16. I think you're giving the Hussein regime too much credit for honesty |
| -Scott Ritter and the need to threaten force for Iraq weapons inspections |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:14 PM |
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but the "threat of force" justification is based upon the premise... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:15 PM |
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I'm not sure about this |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:20 PM |
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nonetheless, no such "threat of force" was necessary in 2002.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:26 PM |
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"truthfully told" |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:29 PM |
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Taking liberties with dates???? |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:32 PM |
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where are the weapons...? |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:40 PM |
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Because he lied all the time |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:41 PM |
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we already had a very credible "threat of force" in place.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:46 PM |
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Maybe Clinton blew them up |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:45 PM |
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well, someone certainly did, which is why no such threat was... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:49 PM |
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How were we supposed to know???? |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:53 PM |
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does "not knowing" justify an illegal war? |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 03:01 PM |
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Not knowing definitely DOES NOT justify an illegal war |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 03:06 PM |
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Bush already had the threat of force |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:16 PM |
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unfortunately, the senate gave Bush a pass for WAR, not... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 03:23 PM |
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And Bush could bomb any part of the country he wished |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:25 PM |
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Really? |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 03:32 PM |
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Is that just what Kerry wanted? |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:34 PM |
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That's his speech before the vote |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 03:36 PM |
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He could have made a speech saying Bush owe's him a golden toilet |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:40 PM |
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Threat from hungry Iraqi's? |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:40 PM |
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It justifies INSPECTIONS |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:10 PM |
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But Hussein had agreed BEFORE the IWR to allow inspectors to return. |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Jul-18-04 02:28 PM |
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Correct |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:30 PM |
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sorry, I think you're being an apologist for the IWR supporters.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:35 PM |
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I think you're giving the Hussein regime too much credit for honesty |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:36 PM |
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uh...? History gives him that credit, not I.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:43 PM |
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If Hussein was dishonest about the WMD's, he sure hid them well... |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 02:47 PM |
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Because the Bush admin had made it clear that inspections were not... |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Jul-18-04 02:36 PM |
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Right-o |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:40 PM |
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oh so now the jsutification changes |
darboy |
Jul-19-04 11:30 AM |
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to get sanctions lifted |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:35 PM |
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Oh for the love of god |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:31 PM |
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So my timeline is correct |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:33 PM |
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but you're ignoring the essential truth that Iraq HAD ALREADY... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:37 PM |
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When??? |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:40 PM |
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all of the evidence so far suggests that the WMDs... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:52 PM |
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"so far" |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:54 PM |
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yes, but the past premise upon which the IWR was founded... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:58 PM |
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It's very simple |
kiahzero |
Jul-18-04 03:09 PM |
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When was the threat of force ever removed from Saddam? |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:29 PM |
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No, we had those since 1991 |
kiahzero |
Jul-18-04 03:34 PM |
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Yes, they were... |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:37 PM |
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100% IRRELEVANT |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:55 PM |
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does the truth matter to you at all? |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 03:05 PM |
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Wow, I don't get you at all |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:08 PM |
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Powell and Rice were pushing for smart sanctions |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:11 PM |
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Still needed inspections |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:27 PM |
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We always had the threat of force |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:30 PM |
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And keep sanctions forever? |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:35 PM |
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I'm not mike_c |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:38 PM |
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Not without inspections |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:44 PM |
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And we didn't need to threaten Saddam with invasion to get inspections |
killbotfactory |
Jul-19-04 10:55 AM |
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yes, I was prepared to lift sanctions well before 2002.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 03:17 PM |
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Name removed |
Jul-18-04 03:24 PM |
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and I hate freedom, too.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 03:32 PM |
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*sigh* |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:42 PM |
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Read my post above - Iraq agreed 1 oct - Senate voted 11 oct. |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Jul-18-04 02:38 PM |
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Oh bullshit |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:42 PM |
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So, do you thank god that the right is in control of the country? |
Zorra |
Jul-18-04 03:17 PM |
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Dennis |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:30 PM |
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gotta link? |
bpilgrim |
Jul-18-04 03:43 PM |
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LOL |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:47 PM |
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you think this is FUNNY? |
bpilgrim |
Jul-18-04 03:50 PM |
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some of mine are |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 04:05 PM |
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what about U? |
bpilgrim |
Jul-18-04 04:43 PM |
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Security, elections, reconstruction. |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 05:01 PM |
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Dennis knew what was going on. |
Zorra |
Jul-18-04 03:47 PM |
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The plan??? |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:49 PM |
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we pulled them out, hello... |
bpilgrim |
Jul-18-04 03:54 PM |
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Back to inspections |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 04:03 PM |
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whatever |
bpilgrim |
Jul-18-04 04:06 PM |
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Bollocks - more right wing lies. |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Jul-20-04 12:21 AM |
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He was trying to effing tell Congress the truth!!! |
Zorra |
Jul-18-04 04:02 PM |
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A President needs to have a plan |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 04:58 PM |
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The plan, in simple English: |
Zorra |
Jul-18-04 05:28 PM |
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And furthermore, Kucinich stated that he knew that Iraq was not an |
Zorra |
Jul-18-04 05:51 PM |
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The UN had ALREADY worked out how to do it on October 1st... |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Jul-20-04 12:16 AM |
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the neoCONs PLAYED the CARTOON WORLD VIEW to the hilt on this |
bpilgrim |
Jul-18-04 03:38 PM |
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No, YOU are talking bullshit... |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Jul-20-04 12:13 AM |
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I suppose most of our leaders knew that to get rid of Saddam, we |
Cleita |
Jul-18-04 02:32 PM |
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Who made the US middle-eastern King Maker? |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:09 PM |
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Bush always had the threat of force |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 02:35 PM |
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Didn't I read something a while ago that stated that Iraq was.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jul-18-04 02:36 PM |
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No you didn't |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:37 PM |
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Not 1995 |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:38 PM |
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When? |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:44 PM |
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True |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:45 PM |
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Ritter never unequivocally said 'there are no weapons' |
jpgray |
Jul-18-04 02:37 PM |
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Here we go |
jpgray |
Jul-18-04 02:40 PM |
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since no one has responded to this, here's a tidbit... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 04:01 PM |
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thanks - n/t |
bpilgrim |
Jul-18-04 04:04 PM |
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6 months |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 05:06 PM |
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well, it seems that he'd changed his mind by 2000.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 05:14 PM |
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Ah, you may think this looks bad for Kerry, but it skewers bush*: |
acmavm |
Jul-18-04 05:41 PM |
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it skewers the whole lot of incompetants and fools who... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 05:56 PM |
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It looks bad for both |
jpgray |
Jul-18-04 06:03 PM |
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one of the things that I find interesting is that Kennedy voted... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 07:07 PM |
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Can you highlight the portion where he claims this? |
mzmolly |
Jul-18-04 03:55 PM |
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Well, we sure do know - and did know |
kenzee13 |
Jul-18-04 04:24 PM |
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a passage from a book that is relevant |
TeacherCreature |
Jul-18-04 04:35 PM |
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For those who still support the candidates that voted for the IWR..... |
nomaco-10 |
Jul-18-04 05:00 PM |
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well said! |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 05:10 PM |
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Bush's bluff |
TorchesAndPitchforks |
Jul-18-04 05:19 PM |
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Yeah. Right. No defense for Senator's voting for war powers for Bush |
leesa |
Jul-18-04 05:23 PM |
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Without war powers, the threat have been severely weakened |
TorchesAndPitchforks |
Jul-18-04 05:35 PM |
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but the fact remains that any further threat was unnecessary.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 05:49 PM |
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When did SH agree to resume inspections? |
TorchesAndPitchforks |
Jul-18-04 06:06 PM |
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october 1, 2002 |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 06:28 PM |
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But, the problem with IWR was on this side of the Atlantic |
quaker bill |
Jul-18-04 06:20 PM |
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You know this whole thing is beginning to remind me of the final scene |
demgrrrll |
Jul-18-04 07:15 PM |
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Oh, C'mon with this farce |
CWebster |
Jul-19-04 11:36 AM |
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I'm way late to this dance |
motivated |
Jul-19-04 09:08 PM |
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Another question |
motivated |
Jul-19-04 10:31 PM |
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Isn't this thread pretty stupid? |
eridani |
Jul-19-04 10:21 PM |
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