sandnsea
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Sun Jul-18-04 02:31 PM
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| 7. Oh for the love of god |
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The threat of force to get the inspectors into Iraq was in Sept & Oct 2002. BEFORE any of your statements from Hans Blix were ever made, way in Feb 2003. There WERE NO INSPECTORS in Iraq before the IWR vote and trip to the UN in Oct 2003.
People just mix up all this information to arrive at whatever conclusion they want to arrive at.
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| -Scott Ritter and the need to threaten force for Iraq weapons inspections |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:14 PM |
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but the "threat of force" justification is based upon the premise... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:15 PM |
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I'm not sure about this |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:20 PM |
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nonetheless, no such "threat of force" was necessary in 2002.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:26 PM |
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"truthfully told" |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:29 PM |
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Taking liberties with dates???? |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:32 PM |
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where are the weapons...? |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:40 PM |
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Because he lied all the time |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:41 PM |
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we already had a very credible "threat of force" in place.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:46 PM |
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Maybe Clinton blew them up |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:45 PM |
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well, someone certainly did, which is why no such threat was... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:49 PM |
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How were we supposed to know???? |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:53 PM |
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does "not knowing" justify an illegal war? |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 03:01 PM |
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Not knowing definitely DOES NOT justify an illegal war |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 03:06 PM |
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Bush already had the threat of force |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:16 PM |
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unfortunately, the senate gave Bush a pass for WAR, not... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 03:23 PM |
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And Bush could bomb any part of the country he wished |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:25 PM |
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Really? |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 03:32 PM |
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Is that just what Kerry wanted? |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:34 PM |
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That's his speech before the vote |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 03:36 PM |
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He could have made a speech saying Bush owe's him a golden toilet |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:40 PM |
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Threat from hungry Iraqi's? |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:40 PM |
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It justifies INSPECTIONS |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:10 PM |
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But Hussein had agreed BEFORE the IWR to allow inspectors to return. |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Jul-18-04 02:28 PM |
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Correct |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:30 PM |
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sorry, I think you're being an apologist for the IWR supporters.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:35 PM |
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I think you're giving the Hussein regime too much credit for honesty |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:36 PM |
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uh...? History gives him that credit, not I.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:43 PM |
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If Hussein was dishonest about the WMD's, he sure hid them well... |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 02:47 PM |
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Because the Bush admin had made it clear that inspections were not... |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Jul-18-04 02:36 PM |
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Right-o |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:40 PM |
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oh so now the jsutification changes |
darboy |
Jul-19-04 11:30 AM |
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to get sanctions lifted |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:35 PM |
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Oh for the love of god |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:31 PM |
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So my timeline is correct |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:33 PM |
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but you're ignoring the essential truth that Iraq HAD ALREADY... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:37 PM |
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When??? |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:40 PM |
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all of the evidence so far suggests that the WMDs... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:52 PM |
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"so far" |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:54 PM |
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yes, but the past premise upon which the IWR was founded... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 02:58 PM |
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It's very simple |
kiahzero |
Jul-18-04 03:09 PM |
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When was the threat of force ever removed from Saddam? |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:29 PM |
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No, we had those since 1991 |
kiahzero |
Jul-18-04 03:34 PM |
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Yes, they were... |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:37 PM |
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100% IRRELEVANT |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:55 PM |
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does the truth matter to you at all? |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 03:05 PM |
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Wow, I don't get you at all |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:08 PM |
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Powell and Rice were pushing for smart sanctions |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:11 PM |
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Still needed inspections |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:27 PM |
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We always had the threat of force |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:30 PM |
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And keep sanctions forever? |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:35 PM |
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I'm not mike_c |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:38 PM |
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Not without inspections |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:44 PM |
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And we didn't need to threaten Saddam with invasion to get inspections |
killbotfactory |
Jul-19-04 10:55 AM |
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yes, I was prepared to lift sanctions well before 2002.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 03:17 PM |
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Name removed |
Jul-18-04 03:24 PM |
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and I hate freedom, too.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 03:32 PM |
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*sigh* |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:42 PM |
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Read my post above - Iraq agreed 1 oct - Senate voted 11 oct. |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Jul-18-04 02:38 PM |
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Oh bullshit |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:42 PM |
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So, do you thank god that the right is in control of the country? |
Zorra |
Jul-18-04 03:17 PM |
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Dennis |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:30 PM |
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gotta link? |
bpilgrim |
Jul-18-04 03:43 PM |
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LOL |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:47 PM |
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you think this is FUNNY? |
bpilgrim |
Jul-18-04 03:50 PM |
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some of mine are |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 04:05 PM |
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what about U? |
bpilgrim |
Jul-18-04 04:43 PM |
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Security, elections, reconstruction. |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 05:01 PM |
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Dennis knew what was going on. |
Zorra |
Jul-18-04 03:47 PM |
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The plan??? |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 03:49 PM |
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we pulled them out, hello... |
bpilgrim |
Jul-18-04 03:54 PM |
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Back to inspections |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 04:03 PM |
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whatever |
bpilgrim |
Jul-18-04 04:06 PM |
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Bollocks - more right wing lies. |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Jul-20-04 12:21 AM |
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He was trying to effing tell Congress the truth!!! |
Zorra |
Jul-18-04 04:02 PM |
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A President needs to have a plan |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 04:58 PM |
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The plan, in simple English: |
Zorra |
Jul-18-04 05:28 PM |
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And furthermore, Kucinich stated that he knew that Iraq was not an |
Zorra |
Jul-18-04 05:51 PM |
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The UN had ALREADY worked out how to do it on October 1st... |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Jul-20-04 12:16 AM |
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the neoCONs PLAYED the CARTOON WORLD VIEW to the hilt on this |
bpilgrim |
Jul-18-04 03:38 PM |
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No, YOU are talking bullshit... |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Jul-20-04 12:13 AM |
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I suppose most of our leaders knew that to get rid of Saddam, we |
Cleita |
Jul-18-04 02:32 PM |
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Who made the US middle-eastern King Maker? |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 03:09 PM |
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Bush always had the threat of force |
killbotfactory |
Jul-18-04 02:35 PM |
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Didn't I read something a while ago that stated that Iraq was.... |
Media_Lies_Daily |
Jul-18-04 02:36 PM |
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No you didn't |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:37 PM |
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Not 1995 |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:38 PM |
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When? |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 02:44 PM |
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True |
WilliamPitt |
Jul-18-04 02:45 PM |
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Ritter never unequivocally said 'there are no weapons' |
jpgray |
Jul-18-04 02:37 PM |
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Here we go |
jpgray |
Jul-18-04 02:40 PM |
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since no one has responded to this, here's a tidbit... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 04:01 PM |
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thanks - n/t |
bpilgrim |
Jul-18-04 04:04 PM |
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6 months |
sandnsea |
Jul-18-04 05:06 PM |
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well, it seems that he'd changed his mind by 2000.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 05:14 PM |
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Ah, you may think this looks bad for Kerry, but it skewers bush*: |
acmavm |
Jul-18-04 05:41 PM |
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it skewers the whole lot of incompetants and fools who... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 05:56 PM |
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It looks bad for both |
jpgray |
Jul-18-04 06:03 PM |
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one of the things that I find interesting is that Kennedy voted... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 07:07 PM |
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Can you highlight the portion where he claims this? |
mzmolly |
Jul-18-04 03:55 PM |
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Well, we sure do know - and did know |
kenzee13 |
Jul-18-04 04:24 PM |
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a passage from a book that is relevant |
TeacherCreature |
Jul-18-04 04:35 PM |
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For those who still support the candidates that voted for the IWR..... |
nomaco-10 |
Jul-18-04 05:00 PM |
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well said! |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 05:10 PM |
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Bush's bluff |
TorchesAndPitchforks |
Jul-18-04 05:19 PM |
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Yeah. Right. No defense for Senator's voting for war powers for Bush |
leesa |
Jul-18-04 05:23 PM |
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Without war powers, the threat have been severely weakened |
TorchesAndPitchforks |
Jul-18-04 05:35 PM |
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but the fact remains that any further threat was unnecessary.... |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 05:49 PM |
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When did SH agree to resume inspections? |
TorchesAndPitchforks |
Jul-18-04 06:06 PM |
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october 1, 2002 |
mike_c |
Jul-18-04 06:28 PM |
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But, the problem with IWR was on this side of the Atlantic |
quaker bill |
Jul-18-04 06:20 PM |
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You know this whole thing is beginning to remind me of the final scene |
demgrrrll |
Jul-18-04 07:15 PM |
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Oh, C'mon with this farce |
CWebster |
Jul-19-04 11:36 AM |
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I'm way late to this dance |
motivated |
Jul-19-04 09:08 PM |
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Another question |
motivated |
Jul-19-04 10:31 PM |
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Isn't this thread pretty stupid? |
eridani |
Jul-19-04 10:21 PM |
#110 |
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