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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-15-04 03:04 AM
Response to Reply #34
37. Sorry I didn't get back sooner.
Edited on Thu Jul-15-04 03:05 AM by hunter
I went out for dinner with my wife. It was good to get away from this mess. It is a mess.

You have done a lot of wonderful work Bev and Andy, and yes, you have entirley disrupted your own lives to push this issue out into the sunlight. I deeply respect and admire you for that, and it's good to see you on television and in the newspapers. "There she is!" I tell my family. I've got copies of Vanity Fair and everything.

Most people here, myself included, were not willing to put themselves out like you did. You charged fearlessly up out of the trenches and took a lot of hard hits doing so.... So yeah, I'm sitting here in my little sandbox at home, drinking a glass of Merlot all by myself, while my wife is at work, and my kids are asleep upstairs.

But I'm not going to be delicate with you, Bev. Once again you expose one of your weaknesses. I threw a little tiny pebble into your pond, simply pointing out your name-calling, and I get a huge blast of verbage back, and it's all about you defending yourself.

You don't need to do that--you can wade through stuff you regard as sewage with an easy stride, and do your best not to splash. Every little insult, implied or otherwise, doesn't need to become a mud wrestling match.

You especially don't want to give your real opponents that opportunity. This very minute the DRE makers and their supporters are paying people very good money to figure out how to drag you into a fight and push you under.

I am not your opponent, and a lot of the people you've banged heads with along the way are not your opponents.

I think here on DU especially you don't want any potential supporters thinking this is all a bunch of hot air and noise... That comment by ZombyWoof in the long thread-we-won't-mention was very cutting. These disagreements and flameouts really do make us all look like a damned cult. Generally, people who are in control of a serious situation don't scream at one another like that.

I notice in your blast to me there is one small paragraph about hunter. I assure you I am not trying to steal anything, or trying to claim a single iota of glory or money in this fight. But so far as I know that "banana peel on the dance floor" I was talking about in my letter, way back when, remains a problem. You have another problem if you know who stole the Diebold memos. Maybe somebody else has already told you exactly how these things "happened," and I sort of hope they have. Leaks are good. Maybe you are getting along with the leakers very well, just as you seem to get along with Jim March. If not, you should probably add them to the list of potential allies and supporters you've cast away in your brave quest. They are probably out partying with Marc Perkel.

Here are some of your own words, from your own web site, that are quite telling:


NOTE: A similarly named site (BlackBoxVoting.com) is owned by someone else. That is a commercial site not affiliated in any way with the nonprofit Black Box Voting organization, nor with the founder, investigative journalist Bev Harris.


Okay, I can understand the dispute between you and David Allen, and even the reasons, legal and otherwise, for this little notice. But it's my opinion that in all the nasty breakups you go through you do not think enough about the children. You may have carried this BBV book to term, and you may have kicked David Allen out of the house, but it's still his name on the birth certificate of Black Box Voting. (And yes, mine are the Talion Publishing editions, so you got your money from me...) This is not something you can deny in a little notice on your website. All of us here on DU witnessed the courtship, saw the sonagrams, and received the birth announcements.

The little touches go a long ways -- like saying something nice about your allies even when you are thinking to yourself they are lazy vindictive parasites. Nobody has to be in this fight with you. Some of your allies, if you call them names and sneer at them, will throw their sticks back into your spokes.

That's not my intention here. It would be cool if my own county had these Black Box voting machines, than I could be a great BBV warrior, but they don't. My county's problems are pretty mundane. They lose stuff at the post office, they are understaffed, some of the temps they hire are spooky pod people, etc., etc., but that doesn't stop me from writing letters to Kevin Shelley and my reps, and it's always cool when I make them hammer out some new boilerplate to cover something fresh I came up with.

Peace,

Hunter

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     - Fredda Weinberg...  althecat   Jul-15-04 09:30 PM   #94 
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     - Roxanne.. aka DemActivist  althecat   Jul-15-04 09:42 PM   #98 
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     - IMO, the reason for the blow-up is unimportant  Eloriel   Jul-15-04 10:07 PM   #107 
     - Here is a link to the thread of david's that deals with this in detail  althecat   Jul-15-04 10:48 PM   #116 
     - Here is a chronology of the events  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 01:55 AM   #125 
     - Eloriel.. ...  althecat   Jul-15-04 09:46 PM   #99 
     - Actually, Al  Eloriel   Jul-15-04 10:01 PM   #104 
        - Eloriel.. you did some fantastic research back on BBV.org  althecat   Jul-15-04 10:07 PM   #106 
           - You know  Eloriel   Jul-15-04 10:21 PM   #111 
     - David Dill...  althecat   Jul-15-04 09:49 PM   #100 
     - In all honesty  Eloriel   Jul-15-04 10:25 PM   #113 
        - My view  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 01:59 AM   #126 
        - As I, Until Very Recently, Was On VV.org staff  JohnGideon   Jul-17-04 12:18 AM   #205 
           - Thanks for the clarification  plan9_pub   Jul-18-04 08:03 AM   #239 
           - What are you up to now John...  althecat   Jul-19-04 10:16 PM   #246 
     - Lynn Landes ...  althecat   Jul-15-04 09:58 PM   #103 
     - Part of it was  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 02:04 AM   #127 
     - EFF and Cindy Cohn  althecat   Jul-15-04 10:02 PM   #105 
     - No, it's not true  Eloriel   Jul-16-04 11:13 AM   #140 
        - What?!  neverborn   Jul-17-04 05:30 AM   #208 
     - The true circumstances around book publication (i.e. bev in hiding...)  althecat   Jul-15-04 10:16 PM   #109 
     - As posted earlier  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 02:11 AM   #128 
     - DAVID ALLEN....  althecat   Jul-15-04 10:25 PM   #112 
     - David Allen helping North Carolina Activists, important  WillYourVoteBCounted   Jul-16-04 12:26 PM   #148 
     - .. because Bev even accused me of filing Qui Tam  althecat   Jul-15-04 10:34 PM   #114 
        - I remember hearing about that  Eloriel   Jul-15-04 11:10 PM   #118 
        - edit.. December 2003 not 2002  althecat   Jul-15-04 11:53 PM   #120 
     - Still waiting on a reply  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 02:22 AM   #129 
     - The mechanics of character assassination  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 10:25 AM   #138 
  - Thanks for the updates  bumbler   Jul-15-04 12:16 AM   #33 
  - Kick!  dusty64   Jul-15-04 07:22 AM   #39 
  - delete, dup  BevHarris   Jul-15-04 08:28 AM   #41 
  - many thanks, as always, BevHarris (and Andy S)! kick! n/t  nofurylike   Jul-15-04 09:03 AM   #46 
  - Thanks bev, kick!  SheepyMcSheepster   Jul-15-04 09:07 AM   #47 
  - THANKS BEV & ANDY!!!!  redqueen   Jul-15-04 12:18 PM   #53 
  - Bev and Andy deserve the Medal of Freedom  ursacorwin   Jul-15-04 01:46 PM   #67 
     - You are right that this is important...  althecat   Jul-16-04 03:23 AM   #130 
     - Sorry, I disagree  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 08:12 AM   #135 
  - Chirp... Chirp... Chirp.  yowzayowzayowza   Jul-15-04 04:18 PM   #69 
  - Yep, it's a pattern  Boredtodeath   Jul-15-04 04:57 PM   #71 
  - The silence is deafening  plan9_pub   Jul-15-04 07:01 PM   #81 
  - Another small mountain of evidence to examine  plan9_pub   Jul-15-04 05:01 PM   #72 
  - Confirming  Eloriel   Jul-15-04 09:52 PM   #101 
  - Wants to move to Perkel?  Fud   Jul-16-04 01:37 PM   #158 
     - Well, not now  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 01:54 PM   #162 
  - Firstly...... What we should do now...  althecat   Jul-15-04 05:24 PM   #73 
  - Excellent post  trumad   Jul-15-04 06:16 PM   #77 
  - Thanks.. I must confess to be being mildly inspired...  althecat   Jul-15-04 06:21 PM   #78 
  - i agree  bpilgrim   Jul-15-04 07:29 PM   #84 
  - And yours is pretty good too Bpilgrim  althecat   Jul-16-04 03:45 AM   #133 
  - Well said, Al. I'd like to point out that  Eloriel   Jul-15-04 09:36 PM   #96 
  - Why I care.  Pobeka   Jul-16-04 12:36 AM   #121 
     - thanks for speaking up Pobeka... keep that catharsis coming...  althecat   Jul-16-04 03:31 AM   #132 
  - well, you built the sandbox  ZombyWoof   Jul-15-04 11:00 PM   #117 
  - Not sure what you mean by that Zomby????  trumad   Jul-16-04 10:21 AM   #137 
     - thanks trumad  ZombyWoof   Jul-16-04 09:59 PM   #203 
  - Kick  Boredtodeath   Jul-16-04 08:01 AM   #134 
  - This will not be resolved on this discussion board.  BevHarris   Jul-16-04 10:39 AM   #139 
  - Fine Bev....  trumad   Jul-16-04 11:30 AM   #141 
  - She is now abandoning DU  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 12:10 PM   #146 
  - Bev dodges the question  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 11:31 AM   #142 
  - plan9_pub, you seem like an...  TrustingDog   Jul-16-04 12:48 PM   #149 
  - Perhaps  Boredtodeath   Jul-16-04 12:55 PM   #150 
  - I see...  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 01:00 PM   #151 
     - She's got enough on her plate...  TrustingDog   Jul-16-04 01:08 PM   #153 
        - She's got her own site....  yowzayowzayowza   Jul-16-04 01:20 PM   #155 
        - Ah, the "poor Bev" defense  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 01:23 PM   #156 
           - Oh Knock it off  Kerry_da_man   Jul-16-04 06:55 PM   #188 
              - You need to read this post  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 07:05 PM   #189 
              - Our "movement" is not crumbling. or at least,  MGKrebs   Jul-17-04 03:27 PM   #225 
              - exactly... dirty laundry  TrustingDog   Jul-18-04 01:01 AM   #235 
                 - If Bev didn't want her dirty laundry exposed  plan9_pub   Jul-18-04 07:59 AM   #237 
  - Just wanted to say thanks, and sorry.  redqueen   Jul-16-04 01:18 PM   #154 
     - Very sad  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 01:38 PM   #159 
        - No, you're not alone  redqueen   Jul-16-04 01:40 PM   #160 
        - I have a question for you...  Devils Advocate NZ   Jul-16-04 02:50 PM   #166 
           - I can tell you categorically  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 03:45 PM   #173 
              - Cool - that all I needed to hear...  Devils Advocate NZ   Jul-17-04 07:35 AM   #210 
  - Hurt feelings?  Boredtodeath   Jul-16-04 11:41 AM   #143 
  - Expected better Bev.  yowzayowzayowza   Jul-16-04 12:11 PM   #147 
  - Good  Joanne98   Jul-16-04 02:54 PM   #167 
  - Bev, this is a terrible shame....  althecat   Jul-16-04 03:47 PM   #174 
  - Oy freakin' vey.  americanstranger   Jul-16-04 08:44 PM   #198 
  - Looks like they're going ahead with the plan to replace the voter rolls  Briarius   Jul-16-04 11:46 AM   #145 
  - I have some questions for David Allen et al..  Devils Advocate NZ   Jul-16-04 02:59 PM   #168 
  - Not everyone is sue happy  Pastiche423   Jul-16-04 03:23 PM   #170 
  - From one kiwi to another...  althecat   Jul-16-04 03:54 PM   #176 
  - I got what I was really after further up the thread.  Devils Advocate NZ   Jul-17-04 07:38 AM   #211 
  - Why are you resurrecting the smear?  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 04:08 PM   #179 
     - I got what I wanted, but...  Devils Advocate NZ   Jul-17-04 07:51 AM   #212 
        - Denial  DWright   Jul-17-04 09:25 AM   #214 
        - Thank you.  Devils Advocate NZ   Jul-17-04 09:47 AM   #215 
           - The Cause  DWright   Jul-17-04 11:55 AM   #221 
        - My feelings and view on 'qui tam'  plan9_pub   Jul-17-04 10:13 AM   #217 
           - One final thought - even if you or anyone else HAD filed Qui Tam lawsuits  Devils Advocate NZ   Jul-17-04 11:27 AM   #220 
  - Warning (cussing involved)  Joanne98   Jul-16-04 03:21 PM   #169 
  - Would you mind starting a new topic on this?  redqueen   Jul-16-04 03:31 PM   #171 
  - Here  Joanne98   Jul-16-04 03:49 PM   #175 
     - Thank you  redqueen   Jul-16-04 04:05 PM   #178 
     - Hey Joanne98... I'm getting drunk toooooo...  trumad   Jul-16-04 04:31 PM   #182 
        - Hey Trumad  Joanne98   Jul-16-04 06:47 PM   #187 
  - This issue is dead  Joanne98   Jul-16-04 03:31 PM   #172 
     - Will try.  redqueen   Jul-16-04 04:03 PM   #177 
     - Your welcome  Joanne98   Jul-16-04 04:12 PM   #180 
     - Not that it's not important,  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 04:16 PM   #181 
  - A question for the "Hey David! Take one for the team" crowd  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 04:40 PM   #183 
  - Kind of quiet around here...  Pobeka   Jul-16-04 07:43 PM   #193 
  - Since this question wasn't answered last time....  RedEagle   Jul-17-04 01:20 AM   #206 
     - I answered your question  plan9_pub   Jul-17-04 06:40 PM   #226 
        - No, you didn't answer my question  RedEagle   Jul-17-04 11:18 PM   #232 
           - And what if he answers?  Pobeka   Jul-18-04 12:26 AM   #233 
           - This is exactly how I view it now.  Zhade   Jul-18-04 01:53 PM   #240 
              - Her refusal to answer  plan9_pub   Jul-19-04 11:09 AM   #243 
           - I've answered the questions  plan9_pub   Jul-18-04 12:28 AM   #234 
           - Back in the old days Red.. we were strait with each other...  althecat   Jul-18-04 06:14 PM   #242 
              - Once again, silence....  plan9_pub   Jul-19-04 11:17 AM   #244 
  - kick  plan9_pub   Jul-16-04 05:57 PM   #184 
  - big problems  Joanne98   Jul-16-04 06:41 PM   #186 
  - Third Time....  RedEagle   Jul-17-04 12:19 PM   #222 
     - Perhaps?  Boredtodeath   Jul-17-04 12:34 PM   #223 
     - For Clarification David, here's your post from another thread:  RedEagle   Jul-17-04 01:38 PM   #224 
        - In the searing light of evidence presented here,  yowzayowzayowza   Jul-17-04 07:22 PM   #227 
           - As I mentioned earlier in a previous post  plan9_pub   Jul-17-04 07:57 PM   #228 
           - This is why I love forums... posts like this....  althecat   Jul-18-04 06:08 PM   #241 
  - Total evil is never more clear than in the plan to privatize the world's  Joanne98   Jul-16-04 07:07 PM   #190 
  - BTW this is in reference to the 2005 GATTS agreement  Joanne98   Jul-16-04 07:25 PM   #192 
  - Bev Bombshell!!!!!!!!!!  Kerry_da_man   Jul-16-04 07:56 PM   #194 
  - Who da Hell are you?  Joanne98   Jul-16-04 08:11 PM   #195 
  - Who am I  Kerry_da_man   Jul-16-04 08:19 PM   #196 
  - Divert, divert, divert  Boredtodeath   Jul-16-04 08:28 PM   #197 
     - Quislings are everywhere  Kerry_da_man   Jul-16-04 08:47 PM   #199 
        - Okay, I'll bite.  americanstranger   Jul-16-04 08:52 PM   #200 
           - Not just one  Kerry_da_man   Jul-16-04 09:06 PM   #201 
              - Take your meds and call us in the morning  Boredtodeath   Jul-16-04 09:12 PM   #202 
              - Stay Tuned  Kerry_da_man   Jul-16-04 11:45 PM   #204 
                 - the owls are not what they seem. I repeat: the owls are not what they seem  thebigidea   Jul-17-04 04:36 AM   #207 
              - Here's a guy with 7 posts to his credit  plan9_pub   Jul-17-04 09:58 AM   #216 
                 - Kerry_da_man is not very convincing  Pobeka   Jul-17-04 11:00 AM   #219 
  - Trust me, we in New Zealand know how bad the WTO is...  Devils Advocate NZ   Jul-17-04 07:56 AM   #213 
  - This is the first I've ever heard about cases being thrown into the  loudsue   Jul-18-04 04:02 AM   #236 
  - But please create a new post  plan9_pub   Jul-18-04 08:01 AM   #238 
  - Lest we forget... David's rebuttal thread...  althecat   Jul-19-04 09:57 PM   # 
  - Lest we forget... David's rebuttal thread...  althecat   Jul-19-04 09:57 PM   #245 
 

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