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Response to Reply #125
154. Can't help it, I'm buzzing in...
Are Nederland and Redqueen really From and Reed? Do you really expect dems to fall lockstep into this crap? The only decent response on the part of yes voting dem polititians, is "We screwed up", "We were given crappy intelligence by a lying, crappy administration, and we didn't look deeply enough, or ask the right amount or type of questions", "There was a climate of fear in D.C. that others outside the beltway did not experience" and lastly, "We were wrong".

Everytime I see you DLC guys sticking your fingers in the leaking republican dyke, I want to take two valiums and call Dr. Dean in the morning.
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  -Democrats drop Antiwar pretensions tinanator  Jul-14-04 08:21 AM   #0 
  - Refusing immediate withdrawal = pro-war?  WilliamPitt   Jul-14-04 08:30 AM   #1 
  - Yeah, I read the same tripe yesterday....it's a weak argument.  liberal_veteran   Jul-14-04 08:35 AM   #3 
  - And how are we going to do more damage by leaving now?  MadHound   Jul-14-04 08:47 AM   #9 
  - That is why President Kerry should petition the UN for peacekeepers.  liberal_veteran   Jul-14-04 08:53 AM   #14 
     - No matter how stable a government is,  MadHound   Jul-14-04 08:59 AM   #19 
     - Apparently you don't understand the english language.  liberal_veteran   Jul-14-04 09:03 AM   #20 
        - Apparently you don't understand the nuances of others worldview  MadHound   Jul-14-04 09:13 AM   #22 
     - we are building seventeen military bases there, plus the biggest damn  Marianne   Jul-14-04 12:06 PM   #104 
        - Not to mention the activation of the IRR  Arianrhod   Jul-14-04 01:21 PM   #115 
  - that is typical arrogant American thinking,  jonnyblitz   Jul-14-04 08:52 AM   #13 
  - I agree it is a complicated issue - that's why shit like this article...  Selwynn   Jul-14-04 12:13 PM   #107 
  - Immediate withdrawl ---> civil war--> regional war ---> .........  Sinistrous   Jul-14-04 08:50 AM   #10 
  - It is absolutely amazing  MadHound   Jul-14-04 08:54 AM   #15 
  - change of direction is a political fact  apnu   Jul-14-04 09:35 AM   #29 
  - You may be correct, but it is still depressing  MadHound   Jul-14-04 09:44 AM   #41 
     - aye  apnu   Jul-14-04 10:06 AM   #60 
  - Exactly right. It's no longer "fashionable" to be anti-war  Kanary   Jul-14-04 09:40 AM   #33 
  - I do not share your pessimism.  Sinistrous   Jul-14-04 09:43 AM   #38 
     - And I don't share your hypocritical thinking skills  MadHound   Jul-14-04 09:57 AM   #50 
     - Not: "Fighting for Peace".  Sinistrous   Jul-14-04 10:25 AM   #75 
     - You blithely say "take away the looting"  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:29 AM   #80 
     - Yes. He has mentioned it at least once.  MiddleMen   Jul-15-04 11:58 AM   #181 
        - Thanks, MiddleMen  redqueen   Jul-15-04 02:49 PM   #195 
     - Sorry, but Kerry's corporate masters won't let him do that  MadHound   Jul-14-04 01:17 PM   #114 
        - Sorry, pal,  Sinistrous   Jul-15-04 08:37 AM   #157 
           - youre dreaming  tinanator   Jul-15-04 08:58 AM   #160 
           - I am not "comfortable with imperial aggression."  Sinistrous   Jul-15-04 09:42 AM   #161 
           - "Live with it". Or what?  MadHound   Jul-15-04 12:56 PM   #188 
              - I see your huff has arrived and you have gone off in it. LOL  Sinistrous   Jul-15-04 04:18 PM   #204 
                 - Is it really that naive friend, or is it the damning reality.  MadHound   Jul-15-04 04:45 PM   #207 
     - "fucking for virginity"  Nederland   Jul-14-04 10:26 AM   #76 
     - Nah, you patronizing attitude is "very cute"  U4ikLefty   Jul-14-04 10:55 AM   #95 
     - Response  Nederland   Jul-14-04 11:00 AM   #98 
        - You're right  redqueen   Jul-14-04 11:03 AM   #100 
        - Are you enlisting then?  greatauntoftriplets   Jul-14-04 11:36 AM   #102 
     - Gee, you suppose one hell of a lot  MadHound   Jul-14-04 01:23 PM   #116 
        - All I supposed  Nederland   Jul-14-04 04:02 PM   #130 
           - Horror of horrors that we use the arguements of pacifism  MadHound   Jul-14-04 04:31 PM   #133 
     - I had a zippo  JellyBean1   Jul-14-04 11:26 AM   #101 
     - Damage llike this can never be alleviated--never  Marianne   Jul-14-04 12:39 PM   #110 
        - Where are the pictures from Bosnia? n/t  redqueen   Jul-14-04 01:48 PM   #121 
           - Bosnia? Who is talking about Bosnia?  Marianne   Jul-14-04 02:06 PM   #124 
              - Well, we invaded Bosnia, which was no threat to us  redqueen   Jul-14-04 02:20 PM   #127 
                 - what does that have to do with Bush lying to invade Iraq?  Marianne   Jul-14-04 04:04 PM   #131 
                 - Did I say any of that?  redqueen   Jul-14-04 04:38 PM   #135 
                    - You have no idea whatsoever what people think about Bosnia because  Marianne   Jul-14-04 05:38 PM   #139 
                       - Can't you just read what I say?  redqueen   Jul-15-04 10:56 AM   #165 
                 - We never invaded Bosnia!  NoPasaran   Jul-14-04 04:37 PM   #134 
                 - Way to miss the point. n/t  redqueen   Jul-14-04 04:39 PM   #136 
                    - And what is your point?  NoPasaran   Jul-14-04 05:01 PM   #138 
                       - oh duh  redqueen   Jul-15-04 10:58 AM   #166 
                 - check out Joe Kubert's Fax from Sarajevo  tinanator   Jul-14-04 06:47 PM   #141 
                    - Thanks  redqueen   Jul-15-04 11:00 AM   #168 
  - please compare and contrast US policy in Haiti  tinanator   Jul-14-04 09:26 AM   #24 
     - Perhaps if you added a few more specifics,  Sinistrous   Jul-14-04 10:30 AM   #82 
        - on the one hand we stay to "stabilize"  tinanator   Jul-14-04 06:51 PM   #142 
           - "Prima facie ... sameness" betw Iraq & Haiti? Defend that. please.  Sinistrous   Jul-15-04 08:45 AM   #158 
              - invasion vs black op coup  tinanator   Jul-15-04 08:56 AM   #159 
                 - And if you draw the circle big enough,  Sinistrous   Jul-15-04 09:47 AM   #162 
  - Don't you understand?  kiahzero   Jul-14-04 09:20 AM   #23 
  - Power vacuum?  tinanator   Jul-14-04 09:27 AM   #25 
  - Ha Ha Ha  kiahzero   Jul-14-04 09:30 AM   #28 
  - A question friend  MadHound   Jul-14-04 09:28 AM   #27 
     - Learn from the mistakes of others?  redqueen   Jul-14-04 09:40 AM   #34 
     - Who's talking about puppet dictators?  kiahzero   Jul-14-04 09:45 AM   #42 
        - And I want world peace, food for the poor, clean water too...  redqueen   Jul-14-04 09:50 AM   #46 
        - Yeah, all those sound good  kiahzero   Jul-14-04 09:54 AM   #49 
           - So sorry I'm not playing by the rules  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:07 AM   #63 
        - Then you are looking for an Iraqi government  MadHound   Jul-14-04 09:58 AM   #51 
        - I think it's possible to set up a government  kiahzero   Jul-14-04 10:03 AM   #54 
           - That's almost a given, isnt' it?  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:10 AM   #64 
        - Let's see. The Iraqi government you are talking about...  tedthebear   Jul-14-04 10:11 PM   #152 
     - Vietnam isn't really applicable  kiahzero   Jul-14-04 09:44 AM   #39 
     - Vietnam is completely appicable  MadHound   Jul-14-04 10:12 AM   #66 
     - You're sort of right  kiahzero   Jul-14-04 10:23 AM   #70 
     - Correct. The analogy you are looking for is Lebanon.  eridani   Jul-14-04 11:08 PM   #155 
     - Historical Ignorance  Nederland   Jul-14-04 10:37 AM   # 
        - You're right of course  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:44 AM   #90 
        - Wrong  Amarant   Jul-14-04 01:07 PM   #111 
        - BZZZT! Wrong answer friend  MadHound   Jul-14-04 01:37 PM   #117 
        - I still think if we had gone in and done things 'right'  redqueen   Jul-14-04 01:42 PM   #118 
        - Response  Nederland   Jul-14-04 02:07 PM   #125 
           - *Sigh*  MadHound   Jul-14-04 02:19 PM   #126 
           - Oh I get it  Nederland   Jul-14-04 03:28 PM   #129 
              - Noriega, hah, that's a laugher friend  MadHound   Jul-14-04 04:44 PM   #137 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-14-04 06:43 PM   #140 
                 - Response  Nederland   Jul-15-04 10:52 AM   #163 
                    - Do you even read what you reference,  MadHound   Jul-15-04 01:12 PM   #189 
                       - Thanks  Nederland   Jul-15-04 02:24 PM   #193 
                          - The only thing I'm admitting friend  MadHound   Jul-15-04 02:38 PM   #194 
                             - I'll do this slow  Nederland   Jul-15-04 02:56 PM   #196 
                                - Like I said before friend, do you even read what you reference?  MadHound   Jul-15-04 03:15 PM   #199 
                                   - Now I understand  Nederland   Jul-15-04 04:09 PM   #203 
           - Can't help it, I'm buzzing in...  PassingFair   Jul-14-04 10:34 PM   #154 
              - Confusion  Nederland   Jul-15-04 10:58 AM   #167 
              - Oh GMAB  redqueen   Jul-15-04 11:09 AM   #169 
        - Japan retained its emperor and Germany was split in two  tinanator   Jul-14-04 06:55 PM   #143 
           - My point  Nederland   Jul-14-04 09:30 PM   #146 
              - happy to hear some more examples  tinanator   Jul-14-04 10:01 PM   #149 
                 - Panama  Nederland   Jul-15-04 10:54 AM   #164 
  - Yes, indeedy. If the war is illegal we must withdraw.  leesa   Jul-14-04 02:22 PM   #128 
  - wanna bet how long the US will stay there?  rman   Jul-14-04 04:25 PM   #132 
  - Kerplunk ....  Trajan   Jul-14-04 08:32 AM   #2 
  - I will worry about this after Kerry is elected  emulatorloo   Jul-14-04 08:35 AM   #4 
  - Yuppers, it is going to be the LBJ syndrome all over again  MadHound   Jul-14-04 08:36 AM   #5 
  - But I see it as taking baby steps: if we don't get ABB in, we have B. n/t  LittleApple81   Jul-14-04 08:37 AM   #6 
  - what about the baby parts?  tinanator   Jul-14-04 08:43 AM   #8 
  - We've been taking baby steps for decades now friend,  MadHound   Jul-14-04 08:50 AM   #11 
  - Indeed...  Nlighten1   Jul-14-04 08:58 AM   #18 
  - I would vote for Greens now if the situation weren't so dire. We fell  LittleApple81   Jul-14-04 09:10 AM   #21 
  - I'll tell ya, If Bush wasn't "the worst president ever"  G_j   Jul-14-04 09:36 AM   #31 
     - Dems should be THANKING bush  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:23 AM   #72 
        - in one sense it is so outlandishly absurd  G_j   Jul-14-04 10:45 AM   #92 
           - I'm close to the edge, friend  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:50 AM   #94 
              - I know  G_j   Jul-14-04 11:02 AM   #99 
                 - It's maddening  redqueen   Jul-14-04 01:47 PM   #120 
  - Exactly! Tailing after the middle drags us further off course  Right Makes Might   Jul-14-04 09:41 AM   #37 
  - It is interesting to note the biggest beneficiaries of campaign money  JellyBean1   Jul-14-04 12:34 PM   #109 
  - How many deaths in a baby step?  Kanary   Jul-14-04 09:46 AM   #43 
     - I understand Kanary. But we got the DNC,DLC candidate. And somebody  LittleApple81   Jul-14-04 10:00 AM   #53 
        - Crying doesn't stop it, does it?  Kanary   Jul-14-04 10:04 AM   #56 
           - When did I say you were a traitor to the party? I have been a VERY  LittleApple81   Jul-14-04 10:06 AM   #61 
              - Read your post #53  Kanary   Jul-14-04 10:12 AM   #65 
                 - It hit me this morning  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:15 AM   #68 
                 - Most people don't agree with Kucinich on the issues  kiahzero   Jul-14-04 10:24 AM   #74 
                 - Horse manure  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:28 AM   #79 
                    - Kerry didn't support the war  kiahzero   Jul-14-04 10:33 AM   #85 
                       - No, he didn't support the war  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:42 AM   #89 
                 - We didn't even have a primary. Hard to influence the Dem choice from  LittleApple81   Jul-14-04 10:26 AM   #77 
                    - Like we even had a choice  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:30 AM   #83 
                       - You got it Redqueen  JellyBean1   Jul-14-04 12:04 PM   #103 
                          - Exactly -- corporate cash has infected this country  redqueen   Jul-14-04 01:49 PM   #122 
                 - I agree with you. Infighting does not help. And that is what this  LittleApple81   Jul-14-04 10:30 AM   #81 
                    - All I ask is that you don't insult me.  Kanary   Jul-14-04 10:44 AM   #91 
  - especially if you think about it  tinanator   Jul-14-04 08:42 AM   #7 
  - Its a dickstrutting contest  CWebster   Jul-14-04 08:56 AM   #17 
  - Yep. You've got a choice between:  Cat Atomic   Jul-14-04 09:35 AM   #30 
     - More accurately  kiahzero   Jul-14-04 09:59 AM   #52 
  - the party has never claimed to be anti-war  Seth Gecko   Jul-14-04 08:51 AM   #12 
  - *NOW* we find that out....  Kanary   Jul-14-04 10:05 AM   #58 
     - Kerry never pretended to be against this war  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-15-04 11:28 AM   #173 
  - Swing voters are the most important now, CW says  redqueen   Jul-14-04 08:56 AM   #16 
  - I'm hangin' in tillwe get the white house and congress back then i'm  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Jul-14-04 09:28 AM   #26 
  - which will give the country back to the Republicans...........  Blue Wally   Jul-14-04 09:40 AM   #32 
  - How so?  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Jul-14-04 09:40 AM   #36 
     - mathematics  Blue Wally   Jul-14-04 09:49 AM   #45 
        - what do you suggest?  ChavezSpeakstheTruth   Jul-14-04 09:52 AM   #48 
           - Do what the righties did with the Republican Party  kiahzero   Jul-14-04 10:04 AM   #57 
              - You have to make a "long march" ...........  Blue Wally   Jul-14-04 10:24 AM   #73 
                 - This is exactly right  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:35 AM   #87 
                 - OK, that we can agree on  kiahzero   Jul-14-04 10:37 AM   #88 
                    - I didn't say I wanted to go to the left  Blue Wally   Jul-14-04 10:47 AM   #93 
                    - That's something too many of us have forgotten  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:59 AM   #97 
                       - Not exactly  tinanator   Jul-14-04 07:07 PM   #145 
                          - Oh yes  redqueen   Jul-15-04 11:14 AM   #170 
                 - Nice Mao quote. When advocating similar strategies, I call it a  bigbillhaywood   Jul-14-04 10:08 PM   #151 
                    - When Mao........  Blue Wally   Jul-15-04 04:55 AM   #156 
  - I'm out too  Forkboy   Jul-14-04 01:46 PM   #119 
  - Who gets the white house and congress back?  Alpha Wolf   Jul-16-04 11:33 AM   #213 
  - Is it going to take the mothers and fathers of the soldiers  Mari333   Jul-14-04 09:40 AM   #35 
  - It seems that nobody cares what you, the familes of these soldiers, think  redqueen   Jul-14-04 09:44 AM   #40 
     - Who's playing?  kiahzero   Jul-14-04 09:48 AM   #44 
     - It's a game to the players  redqueen   Jul-14-04 09:51 AM   #47 
        - damn, I wish it wasn't so simple  G_j   Jul-14-04 10:03 AM   #55 
        - Speak for yourself (n/t)  kiahzero   Jul-14-04 10:05 AM   #59 
     - Seems like none of them care  Mari333   Jul-14-04 10:07 AM   #62 
        - No... just like Vietnam -- they'll shoot us, but the soldiers they NEED  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:13 AM   #67 
           - Like I said..its going to take the soldiers refusing and the parents  Mari333   Jul-14-04 10:23 AM   #71 
              - Definitely  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:26 AM   #78 
  - The Americans should leave Iraq NOW  whosinpower   Jul-14-04 10:19 AM   #69 
  - It's the OIL , stupid  Geo55   Jul-14-04 10:31 AM   #84 
  - Exactly. n/t  redqueen   Jul-14-04 10:34 AM   #86 
  - Without oil, most of us would die.  HypnoToad   Jul-15-04 02:11 PM   #191 
  - Don't mention the war - the "moderates" get upset.  bandera   Jul-14-04 10:59 AM   #96 
  - What a bunch of disingenuous bullshit  Selwynn   Jul-14-04 12:10 PM   #105 
  - Articles like this are self-defeating  redqueen   Jul-14-04 12:15 PM   #108 
     - Like Bush*, and all other extremists  sangh0   Jul-14-04 01:09 PM   #112 
        - Emotions  redqueen   Jul-14-04 01:50 PM   #123 
  - You bet! WAR! WAR! WE LOVE WAR!  LoZoccolo   Jul-14-04 12:10 PM   #106 
  - "drop"??  sangh0   Jul-14-04 01:13 PM   #113 
  - DEAR EVERYONE  GirlinContempt   Jul-14-04 06:57 PM   #144 
  - Fine but the real question is what Americans want in America  Suzi Creamcheese   Jul-14-04 09:41 PM   #147 
     - LMAO! Vote for Nader if you want four more years of BUSH!  redqueen   Jul-15-04 11:32 AM   #174 
  - If you are that much against the war, vote for Nader  Suzi Creamcheese   Jul-14-04 09:45 PM   # 
  - that would be like pissing up a wall  tinanator   Jul-14-04 10:05 PM   #150 
  - If you are that much against the war, vote for Nader  Suzi Creamcheese   Jul-14-04 09:45 PM   # 
  - If you are that much against the war, vote for Nader  Suzi Creamcheese   Jul-14-04 09:45 PM   #148 
  - OK Suzi, enough already!!!!  tedthebear   Jul-14-04 10:26 PM   #153 
  - Could you repeat that one more time?  Jacobin   Jul-15-04 11:15 AM   #171 
  - Given the Electronic Voting Scam...  VeteranforKerry   Jul-15-04 11:55 AM   #180 
  - We're in a Fix  VeteranforKerry   Jul-15-04 11:21 AM   #172 
  - This is the same claim they made in Viet Nam  CWebster   Jul-15-04 11:46 AM   #176 
  - No, it is not the same as Viet Nam at all  VeteranforKerry   Jul-15-04 11:53 AM   #178 
     - regional stability for what or for who?  CWebster   Jul-15-04 12:03 PM   #183 
     - Regional Stability so we can get affordable energy  VeteranforKerry   Jul-15-04 03:22 PM   #200 
        - So, what's wrong with going cold turkey?  bandera   Jul-15-04 04:32 PM   #206 
           - Countries don't go cold turkey  VeteranforKerry   Jul-16-04 10:17 AM   #209 
              - It's time to leave.  bandera   Jul-16-04 11:21 AM   #210 
                 - It is -not- time to leave Iraq.  VeteranforKerry   Jul-16-04 11:29 AM   #212 
                    - Why is being under UN control so frightening?  bandera   Jul-16-04 11:51 AM   #214 
     - But, it will end the same as Vietnam  bandera   Jul-15-04 12:22 PM   #186 
  - Oil for lives? Our baby?  bandera   Jul-15-04 12:17 PM   #185 
     - See post #191. We can't pull out...  HypnoToad   Jul-15-04 02:17 PM   #192 
        - Alternative energy? Sure. But, the price of oil is too high.  bandera   Jul-15-04 04:29 PM   #205 
  - Kerry and Edwards never had any "Antiwar pretensions"  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-15-04 11:37 AM   #175 
  - Oh I see,  CWebster   Jul-15-04 11:47 AM   #177 
     - No, but they don't disagree with him on 100% of issues  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-15-04 11:55 AM   #179 
        - Ahh yes  CWebster   Jul-15-04 12:01 PM   #182 
           - They never said that it was illegitimate  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-15-04 12:35 PM   #187 
              - So, does that make it legitimate?  bandera   Jul-15-04 01:46 PM   #190 
                 - What makes a war legitamate/illegitimate?  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-15-04 02:59 PM   #197 
                    - OMFG!  redqueen   Jul-15-04 03:03 PM   #198 
                    - He certanly is not on the level of Hitler  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-16-04 07:33 AM   #208 
                    - Actually, yes.  bandera   Jul-15-04 04:06 PM   #202 
  - democrats can't be out gung hoed  westsidexview   Jul-15-04 12:12 PM   #184 
  - Don't shoot 'em........  VeteranforKerry   Jul-15-04 03:23 PM   #201 
  - This is not surprising -- Welcome to Republican Lite  Alpha Wolf   Jul-16-04 11:28 AM   #211 
 

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