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Bush appointee: Women should be subservient, rape can't cause pregnancy
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Edited on Wed Jul-07-04 11:35 PM by JohnLocke
Hatch backs nominee who backs St. Paul
By Christopher Smith -- The Salt Lake Tribune
Wednesday, Jult 7, 2004

WASHINGTON -- Reading from the Bible on the floor of the Senate on Tuesday, Sen. Orrin Hatch endorsed a federal judicial nominee who wrote that wives should have a subordinate role in marriage, with the Utah Republican emphasizing "millions and millions of people will agree with" that view.
With Hatch's support and that of Sen. Bob Bennett, R-Utah, J. Leon Holmes was confirmed 51-46 in the Senate on Tuesday evening, even though many members of the Senate predicted his nomination would be rejected.
Holmes' writing on abortion, marriage, slavery and other theological issues generated opposition from not only many Democrats but also some Republicans.
Fueling much of the debate is a 1997 article Holmes and his wife, Susan, wrote for Arkansas Catholic magazine titled, "Gender Neutral Language, Destroying an Essential Element of Our Faith." The couple wrote that under Catholic teaching, "the woman is to place herself under the authority of the man" in marriage and "is to subordinate herself to the husband."
(...) Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, has said the positions taken by Holmes "reflect a narrow view of the Catholic theology and do not embody contemporary standards that should be followed by any federal judge in any state."
Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Penn., lashed out at Durbin's criticism during floor debate.
"We hear so much from the other side about tolerance," said Santorum. "Where is the tolerance for people who want to believe what has been taught for 2,000 years?"

Hatch also discounted criticism over a 1980 letter Holmes wrote to a newspaper arguing that rape victims should not be allowed to have abortions because "conceptions from rape occur with approximately the same frequency as snowfall in Miami." Holmes has since apologized for the comment.
"I find his statement to be insensitive and appalling," said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont, a former criminal prosecutor who cited studies showing an estimated 25,000 pregnancies occur each year due to rape. "Speak to the family of a 13-year-old girl who is pregnant by being raped by her family's best friend, the next-door neighbor."
Said Hatch: "I believe all of us have made statements in the past for which we wished we could apologize."
Read the rest here.
People for the American Way did an article on this guy...
Today the Senate confirmed President Bushs nomination of Leon Holmes to the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Arkansas. The nominees record of extremism on reproductive choice, the role of women and other issues had generated concern even among some Republican Senators, several of whom voted against Holmes.
The views expressed by Mr. Holmes about reproductive rights and other issues of critical importance to women are far outside any mainstream understanding of constitutional values. Holmes has callously dismissed the rights of women seeking abortion. He has even minimized the situation of women who become pregnant as a result of rape, stating, "... concern for rape victims is a red herring because conceptions from rape occur with approximately the same frequency as snowfall in Miami." In fact, studies estimate that between 25,000 and 32,000 women each year become pregnant as a result of rape in the U.S., and about 50 percent of these pregnancies end in abortion.
Leon Holmes is one of a number of ideologues who has been nominated by President Bush in his efforts to shift the federal judiciary far to the right. But his nomination and now his confirmation are a particularly offensive insult to American women.
"Holmes record and extreme views about the role of women and other subjects will make it impossible for many who come before him to expect a fair hearing," said Neas. "His confirmation is another reminder to American voters that the future of a federal judiciary committed to our rights and freedoms is at stake in this election year."
Independent Judiciary also did something on this guy...
Nominated to: Judge, U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Arkansas
Status of nomination: Nominated 1/28/03; Hearing 3/27/03
Voted out of Committee: 5/1/03
Born 1951, Hazen, Arkansas
B.A., 1973, Arkansas State University
M.A., 1976, Northern Illinois University
Ph.D., 1980, Duke University
J.D., 1982, University of Arkansas
1979-81, Assistant Professor, Department of Political Science, Augustana College (IL)
1980-81, Law Clerk, Katz McAndrew Durkee & Telleen
1982-83, Law Clerk, Supreme Court of Arkansas
1983-88, Associate, Wright Lindsey & Jennings LLP, Little Rock, Ark.
1989-2000, Williams & Anderson LLP, Little Rock, Ark.
1989-90 and 1993-1998, Non-Equity Partner
1992, Of Counsel
1999-2000, Equity Partner
2000-present, Partner, Quattlebaum Grooms Tull & Barrow PLLC, Little Rock, Ark.
2000-present, Adjunct Professor, University of Arkansas School of Law, Little Rock, Ark.
Throughout his career, J. Leon Holmes has actively worked to undermine a woman's right to reproductive choice. His zealous advocacy for doing away with such a fundamental right, along with extreme statements he has made about the separation of church and state, gay rights, and gender equality, raises serious questions about his fitness for a lifetime appointment to the federal bench.
So, what do all you Naderites think about all this?
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  -Bush appointee: Women should be subservient, rape can't cause pregnancy JohnLocke  Jul-07-04 11:12 PM   #0 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-07-04 11:15 PM   #1 
  - It's terrible when you can say that about a person.  coloradodem2004   Jul-07-04 11:20 PM   #6 
  - If It Takes Tragedy To Wake These Idiots Up - Then So Be It  mhr   Jul-08-04 02:19 AM   #25 
     - I am not talking about charity.  coloradodem2004   Jul-08-04 11:57 AM   #73 
  - Of course it's possible that he rapes his wife,  jdjkkse   Jul-08-04 12:05 AM   #18 
  - If I believed in hell  benburch   Jul-07-04 11:15 PM   #2 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-07-04 11:16 PM   #3 
  - Didn't some other pol or nominee say that years ago?  BlackVelvetElvis   Jul-07-04 11:24 PM   #9 
  - Yeah.  coloradodem2004   Jul-07-04 11:35 PM   #12 
     - Stephen Freind (R) PA  Monica_L   Jul-08-04 07:33 AM   #48 
        - Re: Arlen Specter  fdr_hst_fan   Jul-08-04 08:29 AM   #55 
           - and the Anita Hill flambee  Monica_L   Jul-08-04 08:38 AM   #58 
  - In my Catholic HS all the girls got that question wrong on the test  Nobody   Jul-08-04 06:10 AM   #39 
  - They told you that a women can't get pregnant from rape at your HS?  k in IA   Jul-08-04 01:07 PM   #74 
     - It's stupid, but they did  Nobody   Jul-08-04 04:58 PM   #76 
        - one good reason to teach that  iverglas   Jul-10-04 03:09 AM   #93 
           - Not only that  Nobody   Jul-10-04 09:58 AM   #96 
  - Yeah-is this yahoo for real?  fdr_hst_fan   Jul-08-04 08:23 AM   #54 
  - His comments on rape make me so mad I can't even see straight  flamingyouth   Jul-07-04 11:17 PM   #4 
  - there you have it folks  ZombyWoof   Jul-07-04 11:19 PM   #5 
  - You are EXACTLY right, Zomby  flamingyouth   Jul-07-04 11:25 PM   #10 
  - GIVE 'EM HELL, ZOMBY!  Tyler Durden   Jul-07-04 11:26 PM   #11 
  - And, who knows?  BullGooseLoony   Jul-07-04 11:46 PM   #13 
  - Amen!  JHBowden   Jul-07-04 11:47 PM   #14 
  - I second that. nt  legolassie   Jul-08-04 09:45 AM   #67 
  - That's the ZOMBYTRUTH!!  JohnLocke   Jul-07-04 11:58 PM   #17 
  - Bit of an assumption isn't it  Djinn   Jul-08-04 12:18 AM   #19 
  - "Ivory Soap Eaters"  lazarus   Jul-08-04 02:21 AM   #26 
  - John Kerry on abortion:  ronabop   Jul-08-04 02:25 AM   #27 
  - Kerry is believeable  xocolatl   Jul-08-04 06:34 AM   #46 
  - Theresa will set him straight if there is any doubt in your mind...  cap   Jul-08-04 07:44 AM   #50 
  - Kerry can THINK whatever  fdr_hst_fan   Jul-08-04 08:33 AM   #57 
  - word up  WindRavenX   Jul-08-04 03:42 AM   #34 
  - Zomby -- hammer, nail, head, *whack*  rezmutt   Jul-08-04 05:51 AM   #36 
  - Thank You!  smirkymonkey   Jul-08-04 09:42 AM   #66 
  - I give props to Kerry on issues like this  lastliberalintexas   Jul-08-04 05:10 PM   #77 
     - I was just attacking stupid people  ZombyWoof   Jul-09-04 12:16 AM   #84 
        - Me too  lastliberalintexas   Jul-09-04 08:58 AM   #88 
  - Voting list  fortyfeetunder   Jul-07-04 11:21 PM   #7 
  - Well, it's your lucky day Orrin.  bezdomny   Jul-07-04 11:23 PM   #8 
  - This is the mindset of our president- a fundie right wing extremist  deacon   Jul-07-04 11:49 PM   #15 
  - Funny, that STILL doesn't sound like much of an apology  DesertedRose   Jul-07-04 11:53 PM   #16 
  - He's a MC Pig........pure and simple  Sugarbleus   Jul-08-04 01:07 AM   #21 
     - no wonder the divorce rate is so high even among these people  cap   Jul-08-04 07:46 AM   #51 
        - Exactly.......  Sugarbleus   Jul-08-04 11:46 PM   #83 
  - Yeah, Boys  antigone382   Jul-08-04 12:54 AM   #20 
  - Why not  undergroundpanther   Jul-08-04 01:11 AM   #22 
  - he read from the Bible on the floor of the SENATE????????????  eowyn70   Jul-08-04 02:00 AM   #23 
  - well . . . .  Mallifica   Jul-08-04 03:14 AM   #31 
  - i'm going to read from the Koran on the floor of the Texas Senate  eowyn70   Jul-08-04 02:09 AM   #24 
  - here's the link  Chili   Jul-08-04 02:44 AM   #29 
  - Chili  jukes   Jul-08-04 06:23 AM   #44 
     - thanks Jukes!  Chili   Jul-08-04 07:57 AM   #52 
  - eowyn70  jukes   Jul-08-04 06:21 AM   #43 
  - oh and by the way Bush is NOT a TEXAN  eowyn70   Jul-08-04 02:29 AM   #28 
  - I call Bullshit, Rick Santorum  messiertom   Jul-08-04 03:05 AM   #30 
  - messiertom  jukes   Jul-08-04 06:29 AM   #45 
  - This shithead will burn in Hell.  messiertom   Jul-08-04 08:49 AM   #61 
  - Take away Santorum's bad hair-piece  fdr_hst_fan   Jul-08-04 08:41 AM   #59 
  - Holy Mormon shit! I'm glad I don't live in SLC anymore.  Swamp_Rat   Jul-08-04 03:18 AM   #32 
  - A book that might interest you  Nobody   Jul-08-04 06:15 AM   #41 
  - The word to emphasize is "lifetime"!  secondtermdenier   Jul-08-04 03:26 AM   #33 
  - swamp rat, is fo do ce right? My portuguese bad words are rusty.  eowyn70   Jul-08-04 05:39 AM   #35 
  - More on this whacko judge...  theHandpuppet   Jul-08-04 06:07 AM   #37 
  - how about logic, please???  cap   Jul-08-04 11:50 AM   #72 
  - The women of America had the biggest march DC ever saw  Mari333   Jul-08-04 06:08 AM   #38 
  - Fuck you, Orrin. Fuck you, Holmes.  Finnfan   Jul-08-04 06:11 AM   #40 
  - Thanks for making me angry  supernova   Jul-08-04 06:17 AM   #42 
  - tolerance, and what it means  iverglas   Jul-08-04 07:08 AM   #47 
  - Exactly  Papa   Jul-08-04 09:25 AM   #63 
  - More perversions of Catholic doctrine...  cap   Jul-08-04 07:41 AM   #49 
  - Naderite who's even more pissed at Dems now  plurality   Jul-08-04 08:08 AM   #53 
  - What does this piece of shit have to do with Nader again? - n/t  porphyrian   Jul-08-04 08:31 AM   #56 
  - they will hold everyone else to statements they made years  Sweetpea   Jul-08-04 08:47 AM   #60 
  - Gee Holmes .... S&M much?  Misunderestimator   Jul-08-04 08:53 AM   #62 
  - Bushistas are America's Taliban.  struggle4progress   Jul-08-04 09:37 AM   #64 
  - Beat the bitches down  buddyhollysghost   Jul-08-04 09:42 AM   #65 
  - Kick  buddyhollysghost   Jul-08-04 10:14 AM   #68 
  - so so lame  stubertmcfly   Jul-08-04 10:45 AM   #69 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-08-04 11:36 AM   #70 
  - promise keepers make this same statement  28erl   Jul-08-04 11:47 AM   #71 
  - My thread is being featured on the front page! Excellent!  JohnLocke   Jul-08-04 03:36 PM   #75 
  - Kick!  JohnLocke   Jul-08-04 05:14 PM   #78 
  - The Handmaid's Tale  mtnester   Jul-08-04 05:25 PM   #79 
  - Kick  JohnLocke   Jul-08-04 07:18 PM   #80 
  - Santorum is an interesting fellow...  HypnoToad   Jul-08-04 07:22 PM   #81 
  - Kick  JohnLocke   Jul-08-04 09:49 PM   #82 
  - rape certainly causes pregnancy HOWEVER....  clonebot   Jul-09-04 04:01 AM   #85 
  - rape and pregnancy; no "however" about it  iverglas   Jul-10-04 01:38 AM   #91 
  - Here are the FOUR DEM TURNCOATS!  theHandpuppet   Jul-09-04 06:08 AM   #86 
  - Senators not bothering to vote: Kerry of Mass, Edwards of NC  Suzi Creamcheese   Jul-10-04 05:06 AM   #94 
     - Nope -- I make no excuses  theHandpuppet   Jul-10-04 05:49 AM   #95 
  - A DU kick because...  theHandpuppet   Jul-09-04 08:30 AM   #87 
  - Kick  JohnLocke   Jul-10-04 12:33 AM   #89 
  - Not that it matters to this dolt  Kipepeo   Jul-10-04 12:56 AM   #90 
  - Very scary times ahead if Bush gets elected.... Zomby is right.,.  opihimoimoi   Jul-10-04 02:16 AM   #92 

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