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Response to Reply #179
201. Typical
Edited on Tue Aug-19-03 01:30 PM by Nederland
So my question still stands, how does a parent who is not a teacher choose a quality school?

Typical arrogant response. Parents are too stupid to know how to choose a school so we will do them a favor by not letting them. Brilliant.
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  -do you know anyone wants vouchers pstokely  Aug-18-03 05:26 AM   #0 
  - Some want them for religious education...  rfranklin   Aug-18-03 06:34 AM   #1 
  - a $1000. voucher will do NOTHING to get these kids in a better school  ElsewheresDaughter   Aug-18-03 10:04 AM   #8 
     - Yes, but...  zoidberg   Aug-18-03 10:20 AM   #15 
     - You know what would happen if the gov't gave everyone 1K or 8K  AP   Aug-18-03 10:47 AM   #22 
     - hm, thats strange because the average tuition  MassDem4Life   Aug-18-03 11:46 AM   #39 
        - $5600 where I live  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 01:54 PM   #54 
        - but if one is not Catholic  ulysses   Aug-18-03 03:23 PM   #82 
        - only mentioned them because  MassDem4Life   Aug-19-03 12:18 PM   #196 
           - parochial schools tend to be the cheapest  ulysses   Aug-20-03 04:33 AM   #217 
        - nearesr Parochial school is 35 miles away and it only goes to 8th gd  ElsewheresDaughter   Aug-18-03 08:16 PM   #160 
  - People who already are in private schools want them.  The Backlash Cometh   Aug-18-03 09:46 AM   #2 
  - Private school parent here who doesn't want them even though it is  MrsGrumpy   Aug-18-03 10:03 AM   #7 
  - Yes, everyone who is already paying for private school  slackmaster   Aug-18-03 09:55 AM   #3 
  - Disagree, and my kid goes to a private school. I don't want vouchers...  MrsGrumpy   Aug-18-03 10:02 AM   #6 
  - OK, "everyone" was an exaggeration  slackmaster   Aug-18-03 10:07 AM   #9 
  - Actually, we are quite lucky. Our tuition is only $2000 which is difficult  MrsGrumpy   Aug-18-03 10:10 AM   #12 
  - well your reason "get her away from certain group of kids" .....  ElsewheresDaughter   Aug-18-03 10:09 AM   #10 
  - It hasn't a damn thing to do with drugs, and everything to do with  MrsGrumpy   Aug-18-03 10:17 AM   #14 
     - mrsgrumpy...whoah..sorry and you're correct...  ElsewheresDaughter   Aug-18-03 11:01 AM   #28 
        - Forgiven.  MrsGrumpy   Aug-18-03 02:02 PM   #57 
  - That's an interesting point  zoidberg   Aug-18-03 10:22 AM   #16 
  - think about this...  MassDem4Life   Aug-18-03 11:52 AM   #42 
     - Oooh .... arithmetic!  recidivist   Aug-18-03 03:57 PM   #99 
     - it may be true  darboy   Aug-18-03 05:54 PM   #142 
        - Interesting  Nederland   Aug-18-03 06:17 PM   #146 
        - oh my, there is SO much wrong with your post... where to start?  MassDem4Life   Aug-19-03 12:32 PM   #197 
     - In CO, the voucher leaves 15% of the district's . . .  donco6   Aug-18-03 09:21 PM   #166 
  - I knew someone who used Pell Grants to help pay for Rice  zoidberg   Aug-18-03 09:59 AM   #4 
  - i know a texas friend bush lover who has his kids in very upscale...  ElsewheresDaughter   Aug-18-03 10:01 AM   #5 
  - Yes  Nederland   Aug-18-03 10:09 AM   #11 
  - Wouldn't SAT scores show that?  Blue_Chill   Aug-18-03 11:04 AM   #30 
     - SAT's only part of it  Nederland   Aug-18-03 12:00 PM   #45 
     - As long as you look at retention & test rates  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 01:59 PM   #55 
     - That's a long time to wait to determine effectiveness.  donco6   Aug-18-03 09:23 PM   #167 
  - Vouchers are needed  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 10:13 AM   #13 
  - One question  Bridget Burke   Aug-18-03 10:31 AM   #17 
  - Nope  bicentennial_baby   Aug-18-03 10:33 AM   #19 
  - the issue is not  MassDem4Life   Aug-18-03 11:56 AM   #43 
  - If overnight tomorrow, each kid got a voucher,  Yupster   Aug-18-03 05:29 PM   #130 
  - FINALLY  MassDem4Life   Aug-19-03 12:35 PM   #198 
  - great....the big gamble  noiretblu   Aug-20-03 08:16 AM   #221 
     - Then you try something else  Yupster   Aug-20-03 09:26 AM   #227 
  - What if it only gets the kid into an adequate private school  Yupster   Aug-18-03 05:30 PM   #131 
  - To improve public schools, put tax money into public schools  AP   Aug-18-03 10:49 AM   #23 
     - I disagree  Blue_Chill   Aug-18-03 10:58 AM   #26 
     - Why are many schools failing?  Star   Aug-20-03 12:02 AM   #214 
     - History  Nederland   Aug-18-03 11:46 AM   #40 
     - DUH...can't throw money at the problem!!!!  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 02:16 PM   #63 
     - If a school is currently getting  Yupster   Aug-18-03 05:31 PM   #132 
  - No. Why can't we just improve the failing Public Schools?  JanMichael   Aug-18-03 10:32 AM   #18 
  - The attack  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 10:46 AM   #21 
  - But your solution -- help this generation of students --  AP   Aug-18-03 10:52 AM   #24 
  - Destroying public education  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 11:07 AM   #34 
  - destroyed communities = destroyed schools  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 05:49 PM   #139 
  - No  Nederland   Aug-18-03 11:12 AM   #37 
     - How does it help public schools to take money out of the public purse  AP   Aug-18-03 03:22 PM   #81 
        - why do you assume that  MassDem4Life   Aug-19-03 10:59 PM   #208 
  - That's only half of it.  JanMichael   Aug-18-03 10:56 AM   #25 
  - Quality education can not be sacrificed for social engineering  Blue_Chill   Aug-18-03 11:03 AM   #29 
     - Ah, but it's not about being incompetant.  JanMichael   Aug-18-03 11:05 AM   #31 
        - Sacrificing others  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 11:08 AM   #35 
        - the schools were puroposely damaged  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 02:24 PM   #66 
           - D.C. is different  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 02:40 PM   #70 
              - where is the money going? is it being spent properly?  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 02:48 PM   #75 
                 - gitcha new model here  ma4t   Aug-19-03 11:49 AM   #194 
        - Sacrifice adults who don't do their job or children?  Blue_Chill   Aug-18-03 11:10 AM   #36 
        - equal accountability...i'm all for it  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 02:28 PM   #68 
           - I don't care who people blame  Yupster   Aug-18-03 05:41 PM   #137 
              - will vouchers put poor kids in your son's school?  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 05:47 PM   #138 
              - My thought is  Yupster   Aug-18-03 08:29 PM   #162 
                 - where are these schools? do they exist? who would run them?  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 09:38 PM   #169 
                    - I think they would be  Yupster   Aug-18-03 10:38 PM   #174 
                       - impossible to know how vouchers would actually work?!?!  noiretblu   Aug-20-03 08:24 AM   #223 
                          - Yes, new ideas and new alternatives  Yupster   Aug-20-03 09:31 AM   #228 
                             - i'm all for experimentation  noiretblu   Aug-20-03 01:27 PM   #232 
              - What would happen to a senior who refused to participate?  Star   Aug-20-03 09:45 AM   #231 
        - trust me  MassDem4Life   Aug-18-03 12:07 PM   #47 
  - For Parents, There's Always an Option  Crisco   Aug-18-03 10:59 AM   #27 
  - fix the problems? what a novel concept  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 02:18 PM   #64 
  - Even with vouchers  DoYouEverWonder   Aug-18-03 03:57 PM   #100 
  - Got a plan?  Nederland   Aug-18-03 11:48 AM   #41 
  - Perhaps change the way that they're financed?  JanMichael   Aug-18-03 12:41 PM   #50 
     - How About This?  Nederland   Aug-18-03 01:20 PM   #52 
  - because  MassDem4Life   Aug-18-03 11:59 AM   #44 
     - OMFG. Not ALL are BAD!!!!!  JanMichael   Aug-18-03 12:43 PM   #51 
  - I support vouchers in theory..  MaverickX   Aug-18-03 10:34 AM   #20 
  - Sure Do (Know Somebody Who etc.etc.)  UTUSN   Aug-18-03 11:06 AM   #32 
  - I know somebody like that too.  Demobrat   Aug-18-03 11:15 AM   #38 
  - My parents would have like them very much  Blue_Chill   Aug-18-03 11:06 AM   #33 
  - please remember  MassDem4Life   Aug-18-03 12:12 PM   #48 
     - But teachers' salaries don't max out that high  zoidberg   Aug-18-03 12:14 PM   #49 
     - Response  Nederland   Aug-18-03 01:25 PM   #53 
     - what about bloated administrative salaries?  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 02:20 PM   #65 
        - You've got to admit  Blue_Chill   Aug-18-03 10:22 PM   #172 
           - what about bloated administrative salaries?  noiretblu   Aug-20-03 08:43 AM   #225 
     - excuse me bt,  MassDem4Life   Aug-18-03 02:46 PM   #72 
        - sadly, i believe that is true  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 02:52 PM   #76 
           - In my district, even with no experience . . .  donco6   Aug-18-03 10:28 PM   #173 
           - worse  MassDem4Life   Aug-19-03 12:40 PM   #200 
              - i hear you...even with an MA, in California  noiretblu   Aug-20-03 08:50 AM   #226 
     - Private or religious  Ramsey   Aug-18-03 02:16 PM   #62 
  - I Have A 2001 Toyota Solara  DemocratSinceBirth   Aug-18-03 12:03 PM   #46 
  - best analogy I've heard  ButterflyBlood   Aug-18-03 02:11 PM   #61 
  - what about those who don't have a car?  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 02:26 PM   #67 
  - The voucher argument misses the point  jpgray   Aug-18-03 02:01 PM   #56 
  - Not enough private schools anyway  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 02:07 PM   #58 
  - Not tomorrow, but soon  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 02:10 PM   #60 
     - Educational Management Organizations  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 02:30 PM   #69 
     - Again, then how do we solve things NOW  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 02:41 PM   #71 
        - i suggest a RADICAL approach  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 02:46 PM   #73 
           - Gee  Nederland   Aug-18-03 02:53 PM   #77 
              - that is exactly the problem with vouchers  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 02:57 PM   #78 
                 - How do you figure?  Nederland   Aug-18-03 03:31 PM   #85 
                    - bull...a thinly-veiled attempt to transfer public monies  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 03:36 PM   #88 
                       - One Question  Nederland   Aug-18-03 03:37 PM   #90 
                          - no kids, but i am becoming a teacher  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 03:47 PM   #91 
                             - That Explains Much  Nederland   Aug-18-03 03:56 PM   #98 
                                - Wanna bet his/her kids eventually end up in private school?  recidivist   Aug-18-03 04:11 PM   #107 
                                - no kids for me...i'll just try to help  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 05:03 PM   #125 
                                - yeah...i'm obviously a horrible person  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 04:27 PM   #115 
                                   - No  Nederland   Aug-18-03 04:35 PM   #117 
                                      - there is choice...i am against funding diversion  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 04:54 PM   #122 
                                      - The nation is responding  Nederland   Aug-18-03 05:08 PM   #126 
                                         - desperate people are easily manipulated  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 05:33 PM   #134 
                                            - Be Specific  Nederland   Aug-18-03 06:19 PM   #149 
                                               - management reform...to start  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 07:09 PM   #154 
                                               - School Boards  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-19-03 08:26 AM   #182 
                                               - no...parents, principals, teachers, and students  noiretblu   Aug-20-03 08:08 AM   #219 
                                      - thats a silly statement!  darboy   Aug-18-03 06:09 PM   #143 
                                         - Only for the rich?  Nederland   Aug-18-03 06:19 PM   #148 
                                         - Rich people have many choices that the rest of us don't have.  alcuno   Aug-18-03 07:17 PM   #155 
                                            - You've got it exactly backwards.  recidivist   Aug-19-03 08:49 AM   #189 
                                         - thanks,darboy...you hear exactly what i'm saying  noiretblu   Aug-20-03 08:31 AM   #224 
     - The rest of the post  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 03:16 PM   #79 
        - and...is there ANY PROOF that vouchers will solve current problems?  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 03:28 PM   #83 
           - No  Nederland   Aug-18-03 03:36 PM   #89 
           - so...fix the existing system!  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 03:48 PM   #92 
              - Most of the poor don't have the time to wait  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 03:51 PM   #94 
              - "Vouchers provide a quicker solution." For whom?  ulysses   Aug-18-03 03:52 PM   #95 
              - Yes  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 04:07 PM   #102 
                 - WHAT OPTIONS?  ulysses   Aug-18-03 04:22 PM   #112 
                    - The private sector  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 04:26 PM   #114 
                       - sorry, but no  ulysses   Aug-18-03 05:13 PM   #127 
                          - What if a teacher opened a private school for voucher kids  Yupster   Aug-18-03 05:51 PM   #140 
                             - sure.  ulysses   Aug-18-03 06:39 PM   #152 
                                - I believe there are many frustrated teachers out there  Yupster   Aug-18-03 08:36 PM   #163 
                                - Charter Schools  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 11:52 PM   #180 
                                - Mainstreaming, aka "one size fits all," is part of the problem.  recidivist   Aug-19-03 09:15 AM   #192 
              - why WAIT?!?!?!?!?!??!  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 04:43 PM   #118 
                 - Private schools are proven  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 04:49 PM   #120 
                 - are there enough private schools? NO.  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 04:59 PM   #124 
                 - Not at all  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-19-03 08:29 AM   #183 
                    - so...why not adopt that model in public schools?  noiretblu   Aug-20-03 08:13 AM   #220 
                 - Private schools ARE NOT proven  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 05:37 PM   #136 
                 - Why?  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-19-03 08:31 AM   #184 
                 - Private schools are NOT proven.  alcuno   Aug-18-03 07:35 PM   #159 
                    - Failure  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-19-03 08:36 AM   #185 
                       - Scene from the movie "Life of Brian"  Yupster   Aug-19-03 11:23 PM   #210 
                 - Priorities are indeed the issue.  recidivist   Aug-18-03 05:16 PM   #128 
                 - Post #93  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 06:12 PM   #144 
                 - Wrong  Nederland   Aug-18-03 05:21 PM   #129 
                 - other priorities  ma4t   Aug-19-03 12:14 PM   #195 
              - Question  Nederland   Aug-18-03 04:06 PM   #101 
           - How can there be proof when  MassDem4Life   Aug-19-03 11:05 PM   #209 
  - vouchers in Milwaukee...  snyttri   Aug-18-03 02:09 PM   #59 
  - I know lots of people that want vouchers  VoteClark   Aug-18-03 02:48 PM   #74 
  - a question for voucherites  ulysses   Aug-18-03 03:21 PM   #80 
  - No  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 03:30 PM   #84 
  - nice dodge.  ulysses   Aug-18-03 03:32 PM   #86 
  - i like what you said  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 03:32 PM   #87 
  - How are YOU going to choose a school?  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 03:49 PM   #93 
     - As a parent, you pick the one you think is best  Yupster   Aug-18-03 08:43 PM   #164 
        - Wow  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 10:16 PM   #171 
           - Of course I'm a parent  Yupster   Aug-18-03 10:46 PM   #175 
           - Teachers know how to evaluate schools  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 11:21 PM   #179 
              - Typical  Nederland   Aug-19-03 12:44 PM   #201 
           - And another thing  Yupster   Aug-18-03 10:58 PM   #178 
              - And another thing  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 11:55 PM   #181 
                 - People already do this  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-19-03 08:40 AM   #186 
  - Yes  Nederland   Aug-18-03 03:53 PM   #96 
     - Yes...or no...  ulysses   Aug-18-03 03:54 PM   #97 
     - Question  Nederland   Aug-18-03 04:09 PM   #104 
        - Careful now.  ulysses   Aug-18-03 04:13 PM   #108 
           - What about learning?  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 04:15 PM   #109 
           - In my ideal world  ulysses   Aug-18-03 04:19 PM   #110 
              - The very few are fine  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 04:21 PM   #111 
                 - by "the very few"  ulysses   Aug-18-03 04:23 PM   #113 
                    - Then that is a useless program  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 04:50 PM   #121 
                       - do you really think  ulysses   Aug-18-03 06:32 PM   #151 
                          - Private school costs  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-19-03 08:43 AM   #187 
           - Response  Nederland   Aug-18-03 04:33 PM   #116 
           - because public money should, first and foremost,  ulysses   Aug-18-03 06:18 PM   #147 
              - Confused  Nederland   Aug-18-03 06:27 PM   #150 
                 - that's because your analogy is flawed.  ulysses   Aug-18-03 06:47 PM   #153 
                    - Socialism and collectivism are two different things.  recidivist   Aug-19-03 09:38 AM   #193 
                    - Answer  Nederland   Aug-19-03 04:31 PM   #207 
                       - "What would make you think otherwise?"  ulysses   Aug-20-03 03:49 AM   #215 
           - I just want  Yupster   Aug-19-03 11:32 PM   #211 
              - no one is saying you can't enroll your kid in a private school.  ulysses   Aug-20-03 03:51 AM   #216 
                 - No it's not  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-20-03 08:01 AM   #218 
                 - I say the issue of  Yupster   Aug-20-03 09:39 AM   #229 
     - College isn't required by law  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 04:07 PM   #103 
        - See post #104 (nt)  Nederland   Aug-18-03 04:09 PM   #105 
        - For mandated education...  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 05:33 PM   #133 
           - Why  Nederland   Aug-18-03 06:13 PM   #145 
              - Kneejerk?  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 07:23 PM   #157 
              - And post #93 for you as well  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 07:26 PM   #158 
        - Almost as bad an idea  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-18-03 04:10 PM   #106 
           - See Post #93  sandnsea   Aug-18-03 05:34 PM   #135 
              - Like all parents  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-19-03 08:48 AM   #188 
  - I agree with Lieberman on this  dolstein   Aug-18-03 04:47 PM   #119 
  - Pilot Programs  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-19-03 08:50 AM   #190 
  - Vouchers are a Trojan Horse  library_max   Aug-18-03 04:59 PM   #123 
  - excellent post...sums things up nicely  noiretblu   Aug-18-03 05:53 PM   #141 
  - Excellent argument.  alcuno   Aug-18-03 07:22 PM   #156 
  - School choice is an incorrect term  flyingfish   Aug-18-03 08:22 PM   #161 
  - You must be wealthy  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-19-03 08:52 AM   #191 
  - And if abortion was banned today,  Yupster   Aug-18-03 10:49 PM   #176 
     - sure..."everyone" can afford to fly to france  noiretblu   Aug-20-03 08:19 AM   #222 
        - ummm, thanks noire  Yupster   Aug-20-03 09:40 AM   #230 
           - sorry yupster  noiretblu   Aug-20-03 01:41 PM   #233 
  - Yes - no one sees the economies of scale.  donco6   Aug-18-03 09:32 PM   #168 
  - Well said, library-max  GOPGoindown   Aug-18-03 10:06 PM   #170 
  - That's great but I'm not interested in idealistic goals until  Blue_Chill   Aug-18-03 10:50 PM   #177 
  - More Parents Fail Their Kids Education than the Schools  Crisco   Aug-19-03 12:39 PM   #199 
  - You make it sound  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-19-03 12:48 PM   #202 
  - How Hard is It  Crisco   Aug-19-03 04:29 PM   #206 
     - It would be a lot harder for us  Yupster   Aug-19-03 11:34 PM   #212 
  - You make it sound  Muddleoftheroad   Aug-19-03 12:48 PM   #203 
  - How do you fix the current system?  library_max   Aug-20-03 05:28 PM   #234 
  - Strawman  Nederland   Aug-19-03 12:57 PM   #204 
     - The Free Market?  library_max   Aug-20-03 05:36 PM   #235 
  - Vouchers are a band-aid for the real problem  U4ikLefty   Aug-18-03 09:09 PM   #165 
  - Mixed feelings..  Fescue4u   Aug-19-03 04:21 PM   #205 
     - To me it's a balance  Yupster   Aug-19-03 11:38 PM   #213 
 

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