| 123. Vouchers are a Trojan Horse |
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Like any "reform," a good quick way to judge programs to reform American public education is to see who's pushing them. Vouchers (and "school choice") are being pushed by people who hate public education, because it's where children are taught to share, taught that religion is a matter of opinion but science is a matter of fact, taught that the U.S. hasn't always been history's hero, and taught that races, religions, and lifestyles other than one's own are entitled to respect. I'm not trying to characterize everyone who is presently for vouchers or school choice, only the S.O.B.s who got the ball rolling.
Anyone who has ever taught in the public schools will understand how dependent any school is on its community of concerned parents. A certain percentage of parents (varies from school to school and district to district) range from apathetic to actively hostile to education for their children. The children of these parents tend to be behavior problems, academic problems, etc. On the other hand, you have the informed parents who care and support their children's education. These parents and their children are school leaders. Nothing good ever gets done without them.
Now, begin by starving the public schools for funds for a couple of decades. Use junk logic and junk science to pretend that money doesn't improve education, that smaller classes don't matter, etc. Then trump up a case that the public schools are failing. Be sure to include statistics on ESL students and handicapped students that weren't even counted in your comparison period of the 50s and 60s. Standard propaganda techniques geared to specific communities will get the concerned parents up in arms about their children's education. Then present vouchers or school choice as the only possible solution and watch their desperation solve your problems.
So where's the harm? Voucher/school choice proponents say that only enough money to education one student is taken away for each student that is taken away. But that assumes that you can just hire and fire teachers and expand or contract the school building based on changes in the enrollment. If you can educate 1,000 students for $1.5 million per year, does that mean you can educate one for $1,500?
But worse than that is the fact that the students/parents who will leave the underperforming schools are the ones that are needed the most desperately, the ones who care. It doesn't matter whether they go to private schools or "better" public schools, what they leave behind will be a hopeless mess, with plenty of students still in it. They might as well put bars in the windows and hire guards instead of teachers. Vouchers or school choice won't get rid of the "bad" schools because all of the students (by law) will have to go somewhere, and the "good" schools won't be able to magically absorb all of them. And they won't want to, not if they want to remain "good" schools (what makes a good school good is mostly the motivation of the students and the parents, regardless of socioeconomic class). So this just redistributes the students by tier, and consigns large numbers of them to inevitable academic failure.
I've heard vouchers described as a program to rescue students off a sinking ship. It's more like a program to rescue a handful of students of a ship that MIGHT sink, and then scuttle the ship in deep ocean with the rest of the students on board. Big appeal to lovers of elitism. The tragic thing is that parents tend to think of their own children as among the few "saved" and other people's children among the many drowned.
I mean no disrespect to people who deplore the tendency of voucher programs to get around the separation of church and state or to undo desegregation. Those are valid concerns. I merely wish to point out that the danger of vouchers is both larger and more fundamental than just that. Even voucher/school choice programs which are nonsectarian and preserve racial integration are still disastrous for the reasons noted above.
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| -do you know anyone wants vouchers |
pstokely |
Aug-18-03 05:26 AM |
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Some want them for religious education... |
rfranklin |
Aug-18-03 06:34 AM |
#1 |
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a $1000. voucher will do NOTHING to get these kids in a better school |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Aug-18-03 10:04 AM |
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Yes, but... |
zoidberg |
Aug-18-03 10:20 AM |
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You know what would happen if the gov't gave everyone 1K or 8K |
AP |
Aug-18-03 10:47 AM |
#22 |
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hm, thats strange because the average tuition |
MassDem4Life |
Aug-18-03 11:46 AM |
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$5600 where I live |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 01:54 PM |
#54 |
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but if one is not Catholic |
ulysses |
Aug-18-03 03:23 PM |
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only mentioned them because |
MassDem4Life |
Aug-19-03 12:18 PM |
#196 |
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parochial schools tend to be the cheapest |
ulysses |
Aug-20-03 04:33 AM |
#217 |
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nearesr Parochial school is 35 miles away and it only goes to 8th gd |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Aug-18-03 08:16 PM |
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People who already are in private schools want them. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Aug-18-03 09:46 AM |
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Private school parent here who doesn't want them even though it is |
MrsGrumpy |
Aug-18-03 10:03 AM |
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Yes, everyone who is already paying for private school |
slackmaster |
Aug-18-03 09:55 AM |
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Disagree, and my kid goes to a private school. I don't want vouchers... |
MrsGrumpy |
Aug-18-03 10:02 AM |
#6 |
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OK, "everyone" was an exaggeration |
slackmaster |
Aug-18-03 10:07 AM |
#9 |
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Actually, we are quite lucky. Our tuition is only $2000 which is difficult |
MrsGrumpy |
Aug-18-03 10:10 AM |
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well your reason "get her away from certain group of kids" ..... |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Aug-18-03 10:09 AM |
#10 |
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It hasn't a damn thing to do with drugs, and everything to do with |
MrsGrumpy |
Aug-18-03 10:17 AM |
#14 |
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mrsgrumpy...whoah..sorry and you're correct... |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Aug-18-03 11:01 AM |
#28 |
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Forgiven. |
MrsGrumpy |
Aug-18-03 02:02 PM |
#57 |
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That's an interesting point |
zoidberg |
Aug-18-03 10:22 AM |
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think about this... |
MassDem4Life |
Aug-18-03 11:52 AM |
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Oooh .... arithmetic! |
recidivist |
Aug-18-03 03:57 PM |
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it may be true |
darboy |
Aug-18-03 05:54 PM |
#142 |
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Interesting |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 06:17 PM |
#146 |
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oh my, there is SO much wrong with your post... where to start? |
MassDem4Life |
Aug-19-03 12:32 PM |
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In CO, the voucher leaves 15% of the district's . . . |
donco6 |
Aug-18-03 09:21 PM |
#166 |
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I knew someone who used Pell Grants to help pay for Rice |
zoidberg |
Aug-18-03 09:59 AM |
#4 |
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i know a texas friend bush lover who has his kids in very upscale... |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Aug-18-03 10:01 AM |
#5 |
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Yes |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 10:09 AM |
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Wouldn't SAT scores show that? |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-18-03 11:04 AM |
#30 |
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SAT's only part of it |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 12:00 PM |
#45 |
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As long as you look at retention & test rates |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 01:59 PM |
#55 |
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That's a long time to wait to determine effectiveness. |
donco6 |
Aug-18-03 09:23 PM |
#167 |
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Vouchers are needed |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 10:13 AM |
#13 |
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One question |
Bridget Burke |
Aug-18-03 10:31 AM |
#17 |
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Nope |
bicentennial_baby |
Aug-18-03 10:33 AM |
#19 |
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the issue is not |
MassDem4Life |
Aug-18-03 11:56 AM |
#43 |
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If overnight tomorrow, each kid got a voucher, |
Yupster |
Aug-18-03 05:29 PM |
#130 |
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FINALLY |
MassDem4Life |
Aug-19-03 12:35 PM |
#198 |
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great....the big gamble |
noiretblu |
Aug-20-03 08:16 AM |
#221 |
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Then you try something else |
Yupster |
Aug-20-03 09:26 AM |
#227 |
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What if it only gets the kid into an adequate private school |
Yupster |
Aug-18-03 05:30 PM |
#131 |
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To improve public schools, put tax money into public schools |
AP |
Aug-18-03 10:49 AM |
#23 |
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I disagree |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-18-03 10:58 AM |
#26 |
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Why are many schools failing? |
Star |
Aug-20-03 12:02 AM |
#214 |
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History |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 11:46 AM |
#40 |
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DUH...can't throw money at the problem!!!! |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 02:16 PM |
#63 |
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If a school is currently getting |
Yupster |
Aug-18-03 05:31 PM |
#132 |
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No. Why can't we just improve the failing Public Schools? |
JanMichael |
Aug-18-03 10:32 AM |
#18 |
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The attack |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 10:46 AM |
#21 |
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But your solution -- help this generation of students -- |
AP |
Aug-18-03 10:52 AM |
#24 |
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Destroying public education |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 11:07 AM |
#34 |
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destroyed communities = destroyed schools |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 05:49 PM |
#139 |
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No |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 11:12 AM |
#37 |
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How does it help public schools to take money out of the public purse |
AP |
Aug-18-03 03:22 PM |
#81 |
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why do you assume that |
MassDem4Life |
Aug-19-03 10:59 PM |
#208 |
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That's only half of it. |
JanMichael |
Aug-18-03 10:56 AM |
#25 |
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Quality education can not be sacrificed for social engineering |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-18-03 11:03 AM |
#29 |
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Ah, but it's not about being incompetant. |
JanMichael |
Aug-18-03 11:05 AM |
#31 |
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Sacrificing others |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 11:08 AM |
#35 |
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the schools were puroposely damaged |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 02:24 PM |
#66 |
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D.C. is different |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 02:40 PM |
#70 |
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where is the money going? is it being spent properly? |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 02:48 PM |
#75 |
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gitcha new model here |
ma4t |
Aug-19-03 11:49 AM |
#194 |
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Sacrifice adults who don't do their job or children? |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-18-03 11:10 AM |
#36 |
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equal accountability...i'm all for it |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 02:28 PM |
#68 |
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I don't care who people blame |
Yupster |
Aug-18-03 05:41 PM |
#137 |
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will vouchers put poor kids in your son's school? |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 05:47 PM |
#138 |
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My thought is |
Yupster |
Aug-18-03 08:29 PM |
#162 |
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where are these schools? do they exist? who would run them? |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 09:38 PM |
#169 |
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I think they would be |
Yupster |
Aug-18-03 10:38 PM |
#174 |
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impossible to know how vouchers would actually work?!?! |
noiretblu |
Aug-20-03 08:24 AM |
#223 |
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Yes, new ideas and new alternatives |
Yupster |
Aug-20-03 09:31 AM |
#228 |
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i'm all for experimentation |
noiretblu |
Aug-20-03 01:27 PM |
#232 |
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What would happen to a senior who refused to participate? |
Star |
Aug-20-03 09:45 AM |
#231 |
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trust me |
MassDem4Life |
Aug-18-03 12:07 PM |
#47 |
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For Parents, There's Always an Option |
Crisco |
Aug-18-03 10:59 AM |
#27 |
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fix the problems? what a novel concept |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 02:18 PM |
#64 |
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Even with vouchers |
DoYouEverWonder |
Aug-18-03 03:57 PM |
#100 |
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Got a plan? |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 11:48 AM |
#41 |
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Perhaps change the way that they're financed? |
JanMichael |
Aug-18-03 12:41 PM |
#50 |
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How About This? |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 01:20 PM |
#52 |
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because |
MassDem4Life |
Aug-18-03 11:59 AM |
#44 |
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OMFG. Not ALL are BAD!!!!! |
JanMichael |
Aug-18-03 12:43 PM |
#51 |
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I support vouchers in theory.. |
MaverickX |
Aug-18-03 10:34 AM |
#20 |
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Sure Do (Know Somebody Who etc.etc.) |
UTUSN |
Aug-18-03 11:06 AM |
#32 |
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I know somebody like that too. |
Demobrat |
Aug-18-03 11:15 AM |
#38 |
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My parents would have like them very much |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-18-03 11:06 AM |
#33 |
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please remember |
MassDem4Life |
Aug-18-03 12:12 PM |
#48 |
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But teachers' salaries don't max out that high |
zoidberg |
Aug-18-03 12:14 PM |
#49 |
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Response |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 01:25 PM |
#53 |
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what about bloated administrative salaries? |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 02:20 PM |
#65 |
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You've got to admit |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-18-03 10:22 PM |
#172 |
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what about bloated administrative salaries? |
noiretblu |
Aug-20-03 08:43 AM |
#225 |
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excuse me bt, |
MassDem4Life |
Aug-18-03 02:46 PM |
#72 |
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sadly, i believe that is true |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 02:52 PM |
#76 |
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In my district, even with no experience . . . |
donco6 |
Aug-18-03 10:28 PM |
#173 |
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worse |
MassDem4Life |
Aug-19-03 12:40 PM |
#200 |
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i hear you...even with an MA, in California |
noiretblu |
Aug-20-03 08:50 AM |
#226 |
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Private or religious |
Ramsey |
Aug-18-03 02:16 PM |
#62 |
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I Have A 2001 Toyota Solara |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Aug-18-03 12:03 PM |
#46 |
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best analogy I've heard |
ButterflyBlood |
Aug-18-03 02:11 PM |
#61 |
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what about those who don't have a car? |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 02:26 PM |
#67 |
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The voucher argument misses the point |
jpgray |
Aug-18-03 02:01 PM |
#56 |
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Not enough private schools anyway |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 02:07 PM |
#58 |
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Not tomorrow, but soon |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 02:10 PM |
#60 |
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Educational Management Organizations |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 02:30 PM |
#69 |
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Again, then how do we solve things NOW |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 02:41 PM |
#71 |
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i suggest a RADICAL approach |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 02:46 PM |
#73 |
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Gee |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 02:53 PM |
#77 |
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that is exactly the problem with vouchers |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 02:57 PM |
#78 |
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How do you figure? |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 03:31 PM |
#85 |
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bull...a thinly-veiled attempt to transfer public monies |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 03:36 PM |
#88 |
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One Question |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 03:37 PM |
#90 |
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no kids, but i am becoming a teacher |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 03:47 PM |
#91 |
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That Explains Much |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 03:56 PM |
#98 |
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Wanna bet his/her kids eventually end up in private school? |
recidivist |
Aug-18-03 04:11 PM |
#107 |
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no kids for me...i'll just try to help |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 05:03 PM |
#125 |
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yeah...i'm obviously a horrible person |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 04:27 PM |
#115 |
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No |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 04:35 PM |
#117 |
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there is choice...i am against funding diversion |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 04:54 PM |
#122 |
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The nation is responding |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 05:08 PM |
#126 |
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desperate people are easily manipulated |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 05:33 PM |
#134 |
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Be Specific |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 06:19 PM |
#149 |
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management reform...to start |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 07:09 PM |
#154 |
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School Boards |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-19-03 08:26 AM |
#182 |
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no...parents, principals, teachers, and students |
noiretblu |
Aug-20-03 08:08 AM |
#219 |
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thats a silly statement! |
darboy |
Aug-18-03 06:09 PM |
#143 |
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Only for the rich? |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 06:19 PM |
#148 |
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Rich people have many choices that the rest of us don't have. |
alcuno |
Aug-18-03 07:17 PM |
#155 |
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You've got it exactly backwards. |
recidivist |
Aug-19-03 08:49 AM |
#189 |
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thanks,darboy...you hear exactly what i'm saying |
noiretblu |
Aug-20-03 08:31 AM |
#224 |
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The rest of the post |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 03:16 PM |
#79 |
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and...is there ANY PROOF that vouchers will solve current problems? |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 03:28 PM |
#83 |
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No |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 03:36 PM |
#89 |
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so...fix the existing system! |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 03:48 PM |
#92 |
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Most of the poor don't have the time to wait |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 03:51 PM |
#94 |
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"Vouchers provide a quicker solution." For whom? |
ulysses |
Aug-18-03 03:52 PM |
#95 |
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Yes |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 04:07 PM |
#102 |
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WHAT OPTIONS? |
ulysses |
Aug-18-03 04:22 PM |
#112 |
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The private sector |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 04:26 PM |
#114 |
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sorry, but no |
ulysses |
Aug-18-03 05:13 PM |
#127 |
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What if a teacher opened a private school for voucher kids |
Yupster |
Aug-18-03 05:51 PM |
#140 |
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sure. |
ulysses |
Aug-18-03 06:39 PM |
#152 |
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I believe there are many frustrated teachers out there |
Yupster |
Aug-18-03 08:36 PM |
#163 |
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Charter Schools |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 11:52 PM |
#180 |
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Mainstreaming, aka "one size fits all," is part of the problem. |
recidivist |
Aug-19-03 09:15 AM |
#192 |
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why WAIT?!?!?!?!?!??! |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 04:43 PM |
#118 |
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Private schools are proven |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 04:49 PM |
#120 |
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are there enough private schools? NO. |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 04:59 PM |
#124 |
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Not at all |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-19-03 08:29 AM |
#183 |
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so...why not adopt that model in public schools? |
noiretblu |
Aug-20-03 08:13 AM |
#220 |
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Private schools ARE NOT proven |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 05:37 PM |
#136 |
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Why? |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-19-03 08:31 AM |
#184 |
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Private schools are NOT proven. |
alcuno |
Aug-18-03 07:35 PM |
#159 |
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Failure |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-19-03 08:36 AM |
#185 |
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Scene from the movie "Life of Brian" |
Yupster |
Aug-19-03 11:23 PM |
#210 |
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Priorities are indeed the issue. |
recidivist |
Aug-18-03 05:16 PM |
#128 |
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Post #93 |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 06:12 PM |
#144 |
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Wrong |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 05:21 PM |
#129 |
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other priorities |
ma4t |
Aug-19-03 12:14 PM |
#195 |
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Question |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 04:06 PM |
#101 |
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How can there be proof when |
MassDem4Life |
Aug-19-03 11:05 PM |
#209 |
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vouchers in Milwaukee... |
snyttri |
Aug-18-03 02:09 PM |
#59 |
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I know lots of people that want vouchers |
VoteClark |
Aug-18-03 02:48 PM |
#74 |
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a question for voucherites |
ulysses |
Aug-18-03 03:21 PM |
#80 |
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No |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 03:30 PM |
#84 |
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nice dodge. |
ulysses |
Aug-18-03 03:32 PM |
#86 |
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i like what you said |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 03:32 PM |
#87 |
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How are YOU going to choose a school? |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 03:49 PM |
#93 |
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As a parent, you pick the one you think is best |
Yupster |
Aug-18-03 08:43 PM |
#164 |
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Wow |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 10:16 PM |
#171 |
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Of course I'm a parent |
Yupster |
Aug-18-03 10:46 PM |
#175 |
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Teachers know how to evaluate schools |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 11:21 PM |
#179 |
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Typical |
Nederland |
Aug-19-03 12:44 PM |
#201 |
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And another thing |
Yupster |
Aug-18-03 10:58 PM |
#178 |
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And another thing |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 11:55 PM |
#181 |
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People already do this |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-19-03 08:40 AM |
#186 |
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Yes |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 03:53 PM |
#96 |
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Yes...or no... |
ulysses |
Aug-18-03 03:54 PM |
#97 |
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Question |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 04:09 PM |
#104 |
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Careful now. |
ulysses |
Aug-18-03 04:13 PM |
#108 |
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What about learning? |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 04:15 PM |
#109 |
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In my ideal world |
ulysses |
Aug-18-03 04:19 PM |
#110 |
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The very few are fine |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 04:21 PM |
#111 |
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by "the very few" |
ulysses |
Aug-18-03 04:23 PM |
#113 |
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Then that is a useless program |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 04:50 PM |
#121 |
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do you really think |
ulysses |
Aug-18-03 06:32 PM |
#151 |
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Private school costs |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-19-03 08:43 AM |
#187 |
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Response |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 04:33 PM |
#116 |
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because public money should, first and foremost, |
ulysses |
Aug-18-03 06:18 PM |
#147 |
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Confused |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 06:27 PM |
#150 |
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that's because your analogy is flawed. |
ulysses |
Aug-18-03 06:47 PM |
#153 |
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Socialism and collectivism are two different things. |
recidivist |
Aug-19-03 09:38 AM |
#193 |
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Answer |
Nederland |
Aug-19-03 04:31 PM |
#207 |
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"What would make you think otherwise?" |
ulysses |
Aug-20-03 03:49 AM |
#215 |
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I just want |
Yupster |
Aug-19-03 11:32 PM |
#211 |
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no one is saying you can't enroll your kid in a private school. |
ulysses |
Aug-20-03 03:51 AM |
#216 |
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No it's not |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-20-03 08:01 AM |
#218 |
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I say the issue of |
Yupster |
Aug-20-03 09:39 AM |
#229 |
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College isn't required by law |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 04:07 PM |
#103 |
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See post #104 (nt) |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 04:09 PM |
#105 |
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For mandated education... |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 05:33 PM |
#133 |
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Why |
Nederland |
Aug-18-03 06:13 PM |
#145 |
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Kneejerk? |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 07:23 PM |
#157 |
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And post #93 for you as well |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 07:26 PM |
#158 |
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Almost as bad an idea |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-18-03 04:10 PM |
#106 |
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See Post #93 |
sandnsea |
Aug-18-03 05:34 PM |
#135 |
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Like all parents |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-19-03 08:48 AM |
#188 |
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I agree with Lieberman on this |
dolstein |
Aug-18-03 04:47 PM |
#119 |
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Pilot Programs |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-19-03 08:50 AM |
#190 |
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Vouchers are a Trojan Horse |
library_max |
Aug-18-03 04:59 PM |
#123 |
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excellent post...sums things up nicely |
noiretblu |
Aug-18-03 05:53 PM |
#141 |
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Excellent argument. |
alcuno |
Aug-18-03 07:22 PM |
#156 |
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School choice is an incorrect term |
flyingfish |
Aug-18-03 08:22 PM |
#161 |
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You must be wealthy |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-19-03 08:52 AM |
#191 |
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And if abortion was banned today, |
Yupster |
Aug-18-03 10:49 PM |
#176 |
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sure..."everyone" can afford to fly to france |
noiretblu |
Aug-20-03 08:19 AM |
#222 |
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ummm, thanks noire |
Yupster |
Aug-20-03 09:40 AM |
#230 |
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sorry yupster |
noiretblu |
Aug-20-03 01:41 PM |
#233 |
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Yes - no one sees the economies of scale. |
donco6 |
Aug-18-03 09:32 PM |
#168 |
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Well said, library-max |
GOPGoindown |
Aug-18-03 10:06 PM |
#170 |
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That's great but I'm not interested in idealistic goals until |
Blue_Chill |
Aug-18-03 10:50 PM |
#177 |
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More Parents Fail Their Kids Education than the Schools |
Crisco |
Aug-19-03 12:39 PM |
#199 |
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You make it sound |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-19-03 12:48 PM |
#202 |
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How Hard is It |
Crisco |
Aug-19-03 04:29 PM |
#206 |
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It would be a lot harder for us |
Yupster |
Aug-19-03 11:34 PM |
#212 |
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You make it sound |
Muddleoftheroad |
Aug-19-03 12:48 PM |
#203 |
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How do you fix the current system? |
library_max |
Aug-20-03 05:28 PM |
#234 |
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Strawman |
Nederland |
Aug-19-03 12:57 PM |
#204 |
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The Free Market? |
library_max |
Aug-20-03 05:36 PM |
#235 |
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Vouchers are a band-aid for the real problem |
U4ikLefty |
Aug-18-03 09:09 PM |
#165 |
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Mixed feelings.. |
Fescue4u |
Aug-19-03 04:21 PM |
#205 |
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To me it's a balance |
Yupster |
Aug-19-03 11:38 PM |
#213 |